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Jan 07, 03
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think of the forign pussy that this would bring in for real though think how many people want to come to canada anyways this will just be an excuss sure it will only make the rich richer and the poor poorer but it also give some exitement around here witch is needed greatly plus vancouver would be taken more seriously......... well I hope it will at least it will be a party and there can be rave olympics also 
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Jan 07, 03
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OK so they put all this money in to the the Olympics? REALLY what is the common person going to get out of it. The only people going to make money of off this are people that are rich in the first place. Yea sure more jobs, but we are talking about $6-$8 jobs, NO one can really live off of that. Yea sure they build a better road to Whistler, but most people in Vancouver don't have the money to go up there in the first place. Yea sure we might make a little more money, but we will have just put in more the double that to taxes. Would you much rather just to have lower taxs in the first place?
A lot of tax dollars yours and mine, is going to go in to this. We are not going to see it back. Personally if they wanted to spend that much money why not put in to in post secondary education, TRUST me once you kids start to pay for that you will realize how important it is. And the return for dollar is a much better investment for each of us.
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Jan 07, 03
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WERD um up. Well said.
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Jan 07, 03
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I really don't care....Either way there are some positives and some negatives.....
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Jan 07, 03
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^ SkoTtY
no badly said cause the money we put in will be less the money WE get back. Yea sure Cambel's friends will make money, but we will not, Trust me go have a look in the real world how this goverment is running things. It's not for the better of the people.
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Jan 07, 03
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most of you have no idea about economics or business so you don't realize the enourmous benefit winning the olympic bid would mean to this region. if this money which would not be spent with out the olympics were to be spent on healthcare and the homelss it would be wasted. stragith up, its not enough money to solve the problems we have, it would only serve to make people feel better about themselves. The problems with the homeless and healthcare run far deeper then a few billion dollars could ever fix. its wiser to invest that in soemthing that will make us more money in the long run. besides homeless people are homeless for a reason and im not sick so fuck anyone else hahaha. Last edited by SEAN!; Jan 07, 03 at 01:45 PM.
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Jan 09, 03
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"you wanna know something krista, this money will never be spent on those other things do you wanna know why first of all, the money coming for the olympics is money that will not be spent on other things if we don't get the olympics, its money which will be saved by the government."
yes but in the long term that mean lower tax's Still in all you said, the money we would put in ("we" being the middle class tax payers) would not come back to us. The money will not trickle down all that much. So why spend money making other rich and not really getting any of it back? PS expo was a mess! And was done it better days. It cost the BC gov for 10 years cleaning up Expo lands, then the Fast Cat Ferries did once. Also after epxo Vancouvers tax shot up, and cost of life went through the roof,,, does not sound like a good deal to those the pay there way through life. (*cough* live on you own, or pay for post secondary, you will see it all differently*cough*)
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Jan 09, 03
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heres another point.
i was watching the news the other day and hte people that live in whistler that have lived there for many many years... they're property is gonna increase so much that their taxes are gonna go so freakin thru the roof that they arent gonna be able to live there anymore... but a lot of people from the states with their american dollars are gonna be able to live there.
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Jan 09, 03
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Anyways, to answer a previous comment, you can go and call L. Campbell a Bonehead for wanting to hold a referendum on this issue...but were you not paying any attention whatsoever firstly when Larry Campbell had this as one of his CAMPAIGN issues...were you also not aware that him and COPE won a landslide victory in the civic election? Right, it's sure boneheaded, but it shows that Vancouver voters obviously want to participate in the plebiscite on this issue. It's funny that I've heard so many people spout off on how these are pathetic left-wing tactics and how this is just a waste of money, but why has the issue on the completely FUCKING POINTLESS referendum the Liberals held just a year ago. You know, that poorly-worded one that many, many, many people chose not to participate in...which the results had no effect on policies whatsoever...wasted a HELL OF A LOT more money, and is much more of a boneheaded idea. k bye
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Jan 09, 03
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And when was giving people a choice on how they want thousands of dallars to be spend a bone head thing to do? Riding on myra's coat tail; if any thing I'd say it's bone head thing the whole provence was not given a choice (other then badly played out Pronical election).
Also on that note it pisses me off that people are saying Vancouver alone should not decide for us and there for no referendum should take place. Hell if you think it's unfair you should bug your own city to hold a referendum, because we need more people voting not less.
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Jan 09, 03
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A few things I will point out:
We need to continue building our infrastructure as this city grows one way or another (sky trains, highways and more buses). Property values increase and things change no matter what. With or without the Olympics prices will continue to rise and people that have less money will have to live further from Whistler (Squamish probably). Having a plebisite ACTUALLY will strengthen our bid IF it passes. The fact is we do live in a Democracy and if it doesn't pass than the people don't want it. From what I gather it will pass and likely with a 70% or even 80% aproval rating. Also as already mentioned the people of this city obviosly support a plebisite as Larry Campbell won the civic election by a landslide. The Olympics might on paper pay for themselves through tax revenues. The fact is though we will get much needed upgardes to our regoins infrastructure that we would otherwise pay for on our own. Also as we shift away from a resource based economy we NEED this kind of event to promote B.C. as a world class destination. Also with an upgrade to the convention center we could hold larger conferences. Homelessness and poverty are issues that need to be addressed. However I think that looking at it on a one or the other basis is not logical. Both are important to our futures and can be done. Poverty is something that is very hard to deal with but also when dealt with DOES have a very valuable return. As far as poverty goes one benifit of the Olympics will be 1000 social housing units as a legacy of the Olympics (the athletes village will be used as social housing after the games). As far as health care I believe that we need to look no further than our neighbors to the south if we want to see the direct benifits of promoting athleticism. Obesity due to a lack of exersice is an epidemic in the USA and is the #1 killer via heart attacks. We have an increasing problem with this in Canada and having an event like the Olympics will no doubt spark peoples interest in getting involved in a sport. Also it will leave a legacy of facilities that we can use for recreation. At any rate I would like to see the Olympics come to Vancouver/Whistler and believe that it's our responsibility to ensure that we make an iformed choice on wether or not we support the bid. By the way I live on my own and pay my own taxes and bills.
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Jan 10, 03
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It would be awesome if they were here! :D
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Jan 10, 03
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I absolutely am in favour, it's good for our economy and best of all, good for us as humans.
I think whoever is NOT should MOVE :kam:
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Feb 06, 03
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there's a good start! but for those who don't like reading, or don't have acrobat reader installed (like on this machine i'm on right now), i'll summarize. from memory, they could stick a light rail transit line in along through shaughnessy and kerrisdale along the existing little used line, but no one would use it there. pushing a tunnel underneath granville was also an option, but again, there wouldn't be enough local ridership to justify that route. i think the route that they are considering it digging underneath cambie and heading into richmond from there. and even if there's only one or two stations in richmond, it'll still be infinitely quicker to get to downtown as all the buses that used to course along granville from richmond can be used to service richmond alone. well, in a fair world... i used to be dead against new skytrain lines, as the money used to build them could have been better used on a new bus fleet, covering more of an area than just the narrow corridors that the train covers. but in terms of the long term, high profile rapid transit operations are going to be among the few things that will ever get people out of their cars. people like glamour and comfort, and they don't associate that with the bus. but somehow, rapid transit (especially the new line into coquitlam) offers that.
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Feb 06, 03
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The Olympics isn't an expense, it's an investment. An investment with GREAT returns - in many respects, including net income, job opportunities, publicity, tourists.. Where you ARE right is with your last statement - theoretically, there shouldn't be anyone in this city against the olympics, but there surely is places that money needs to go to help the city as a whole. Also, think about the idea that if the Olympics WERE in fact coming here, the city would have to take a good look at itself critically, which is a good step towards cleaning up some of the city's problems.
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Feb 06, 03
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Olympics in Vancouver is a bad idea......why would people want it.....just think of what happens in the past........Olympics boose tourism for the time that it's here...and then after it goes back to normal....nobody's gonna say....hey....the Olympics were in Vancouver..lets go there for vacation......that's just not how people work........If the Olympics do come here, they will build so much shit up at Whistler...making Whistler even more expensive for everyone.......and they would also "soup" up our city.........but the canadian government is poor as hell anyways.... this is just gonna set our asses back somemore....eventually there will be more taxes...plus everything else will be more expensive cause everything is new........Olympics are a stupid thing to have.... i would love to go see it.....just not in our city.......remember the olympics in calgary....they have abunch of usless shit lying around now .........we dn't want that :moon:
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Feb 06, 03
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The Salt Lake Tribune SLC Suffers From Post-Oly Hangover "...rather than blasting off, Utah's economy has fizzled. According to recently released figures, passengers deplaning at Salt Lake City International Airport during February declined, compared with the year before. Job growth in the state decreased during the Olympic period, despite the 1,000 positions created by the Salt Lake Organizing Committee. And, preliminary figures show that the SLOC surplus -- which the state would share -- will be between $30 million and $40 million, nothing like the $80 million some people had projected. Perhaps the most painful aspect of Salt Lake's Olympic hangover has been the lack of economic punch for the city, especially the depressed downtown. As expected, business owners reported that February was a windfall month. The citywide hotel occupancy rate was 84 percent, compared with 66 percent in the same month the year before. State and local sales tax revenue increased 9 percent in February, and virtually every storefront for blocks along Main Street was leased. But since the Games, "Space Available" signs have popped up along the once-bustling street. Suburban dwellers who surprised themselves by bringing their families into town at night during the Games have gone back to staying home. "
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Feb 06, 03
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Olympics for Vancouver = STUPID STUPID STUPID
where the FUCK are we gonna get the money? This is money that SHOULD be going to health care and education! And really, we don't _need_ anymore tourism in Vancouver. After EXPO 86, the population of the Lower Mainland nearly doubled...can you imagine if the Olympics had the same effect? The natural beauty of our city would be destroyed due to the extra impact of all those people here. Personally, I would like to raise a family in this city one day, and most likely live here for the rest of my life. However, when you increase a poplulation, you also increase crime, taxes, property value, etc, and many people won't be able to afford to live in the nice areas of the Lower Mainland any longer. The bottom line here is that at the moment, one can purchase a nice home in a nice neighbourhood for as little as $230,000 or less. However, if you bring in more people, housing demands will rise and therefore so will prices. For example, my parents bought our house in March 1986 for approx $180,000. In the early 90s when a huge amount of people were immigrating and looking to buy property in Richmond, the value of our house shot up to over $440,000. Now, years later, it has lowered down, but not by much, to approx $330,000. Originally, our neighbourhood was thought of as being average in price and the perfect place to buy your first home as it was affordable. Now, there are many huge homes selling for $700,000 - $1,000,000.......how is a young family supposed to purchase their first home for prices like that? I say no thank-you to the Olympics. Last edited by galaxie; Feb 06, 03 at 07:29 PM.
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Feb 06, 03
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You guys go take a hike through the Stoltman, or through Garibaldi National Park, and then come and tell me that you think it's a good idea to put a highway through there. The fact of the matter is that no one with half a conscience could do that. Period.
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