Church kills autistic kid

[Chet]

wow this is crazy
pretty short read

http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/aug03/164632.asp

[krisamata]

i dont really get how he died though.


but still...thats fucking sick.

[Rhianna]

Oh ok, well if the bible says so it must be right. God forbid that we question a book written how long ago by people who weren’t even alive when it took place.

[Mr.Dave]

It makes me sad thinking about the pain that the child must have gone through in the last hour of his life. Imagine being restrained by your arms and legs with what sounds like a sheet over top of you, when even the slightest touch for a moment brings extreme irritation.

How the fuck can a mother/father/human being subject another person to such obvious agony because GOD says it is the way. I will never understand.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

ugh the bible is so fucking contradictory! ugh this makes me sick fuck. Im so upset with the catholic church after reading an article on residential schools and this article just adds fuel to the fire. No wonder why I boycotted religion at such a young age nothing but fucked up people that live thier lives by fucked up contradictory beliefs. :finger:

[All!e]

sick.

[alkatraz]

"We did what the Book of Matthew said, Chapter 12. All we did is ask God to deliver him."
"How you going to change the Bible?"
"were only doing as the Bible teaches. No charges were filed."



talk about BULLSHIT. it makes me sick to see people use religious excuses like this..


poor child... :sick:

[Jingles]

"were only doing as the Bible teaches. No charges were filed."

What about the kids who were only doing as Jackass the movie taught them?

it's easy to lay blame elsewhere - 'Oh t.v made me do it'
He played too many video games

it was that Marilyn Manson he listened to

to me - the Bible isn't any different

[Crazy Dave]

Don't blame the bible or god... blame the people that choice to read in to the bible what they wanted.

Once again, this is nothing about Christianity, God, or the Bible.

[Chet]

you could say that but the fact that ministers are supposed to represent god, If I am not mistaken, this very much has to to with religion

no Bible, no following, no murder

[Crazy Dave]

Maybe if he read the bible a little more with out prethought in to what it's going to say, he could have read what's really going on. (not saying I know fully my self)

But from the looks of his atemp cast demonds out of this kid he did not check up on seeing if there was a demond in the kid. With the name of Christ (from a beliver) a demon will ancounce his name, when told to do so. Also to go as far a demon will leave if told so, once again when told by the power of Christ, so no tieing is needed.(it's not a good thing to cast demons out of non-beliver because they just come back, but will bring more in)

I think this dude watch to many movie's, and was way over his head dealling in issue like this. (kinda make him feel cool being a power figure)

Nothing to do with the bible.

[Crazy Dave]

Chet more so, I think any one can make up there own system belief's and use any source to back them selves up... it's called a cult not really a religion most of the time. It's not alway about god, 1/2 time it's about the people running things, tying to feel important about their selves. This is %100 a people thing, we all fail in these issues some where or an other.

[Chet]

true, but the bible is the guidline he used
he didn't mention there was a demon, just spirits
(probubly the autism)
I'm not saying that the people are not to blame, they very much are, but it is there faith that was driving them (or so they say)

[Crazy Dave]

spirits causing some one to freak out like he thought is also called demon,,, go read the bible your self.

And what I've been saying is he's not really using the bible as a guidline, or at lest he has not really studied well enough to be guidline for him.

I'm saying what he's been taught, told, pre-reasoned to be his guildlines. And not the bible. If it was, then autistic kids would be getting killed all over the world.

It's no different with a Doctors that are quaks. They Use funny methods, or things just out of their heads, rather then using the schooling they got, or scientific methods. They using what every text or teaching about them to claim they know best... but really they are just quaks.

[M!SKA]

Thats fucking horrible.

IMO, most things in the bible aren't meant to be taken literally. It seems like they were in this case.

This is a perfect example as to why I do not support religion.

[Crazy Dave]

every one has a religion,,, some just don't put names to it.

[crackjoy]

everyone believes in something. it doesnt have to be a religion.

just because ur an aethiest doesnt mean you have the right to judge religion.

if a preacher messed up doesnt mean christianity is wrong. it means we're all human.

[Bunny]

Originally posted by Crazy Dave
every one has a religion,,, some just don't put names to it.

theres a difference between those beleifs with a name and those without; ones called religion and the other is spirituality. Religions are based on a set of (more often than not) divine rules that are often very open for interpretation. The rules were written by people to manipulate people. nothing changes except the interpretation with every passing generation that inherits the religion.

Spirituality on the other hand is you and *it* sitting down for coffee and being well with each others being/s (or whatever ideas are)

PS: Dave, I miss you and Junior is forgetting what his daddy looks like.

[Rhianna]

There is nothing wrong w/ being spiritual but I feel that organized religion is for weak people. And I think it has a lot to answer for.

[M!SKA]

Originally posted by crackjoy
If a preacher messed up doesnt mean christianity is wrong. it means we're all human.

Dude, this sounds like just a little bit more than a preacher "messing" up.....

[Chet]

Originally posted by crackjoy

just because ur an aethiest doesnt mean you have the right to judge religion.

note I'm not making an attack on christianity or any religion
but I do have a right to judge anything I want
just like anyone does
I think it is scary how people can put faith in these people appointed by the church who missuse there position
and no one is supposed to question it because it was "religious"
there were no charges when the little girl was beaten before
it's sick

[crackjoy]

i'm still a little hazy as to wut happened to that kid. what did they do to him?

[Cdn_Brdr]

Wow...an actual debate worth reading on FnK... i'm suprised.

I have to agree with crackjoy and say that just because the preacher went WAY too far it is unfair to judge the whole Chrisitan religion because of it. As with anything in life, whether it be a hobby, an athlete, a religion... you will always have your fanatics. This is an obvious case of such. The fact that they read just a little too much into their belief system is painfully obvious.

This other crap about spirituality is utter bullshit too.... I'm one with the forest, I'm one with my soul... oh fuck off ok. That just sounds like a holier than thou attitude if you ask me.... but then again who am I to judge, it is after all only my opinion. Although this does help to demonstrate my point... we can have an opinion but we can't necessarily judge. I mean there is a difference.

Bottom line I guess... I believe in a higher power, whether it be God, Allah, Buddah.... they are all just diff. names for the same thing. I believe that if you lead a good life you will be repaid accordingly when you pass on. I don't necessarily agree with ALL the teaching or ALL the rules of ANY religion but neither do I judge any of them for what they do believe. I mean to say that Christianity is responsible is like saying all of the Muslims are responsible for 9/11 which is entirely unreasonable.

I think we'd all be better off if we learned to mind our own business and let people believe what they want, as long as they respect life in the process, and spend our time worrying about our own lives. Too much time is spent judging other people for so many different things and I honestly think that is why we live in the world we do... someone always has to crusade against someone else for their beliefs. As they say, live and let live... live your life and let others live theirs.

And finally, don't get me wrong, I feel that this is an absolute tragedy and those responsible should definitely pay. I just don't think that a few fanatics are evidence enough to slander an entire belief system.

[Bunny]

Originally posted by Cdn_Brdr


This other crap about spirituality is utter bullshit too.... I'm one with the forest, I'm one with my soul... oh fuck off ok. That just sounds like a holier than thou attitude if you ask me.... but then again who am I to judge, it is after all only my opinion. Although this does help to demonstrate my point... we can have an opinion but we can't necessarily judge. I mean there is a difference.

wow, and here I thought you weren't closed minded shawnypoo. where does it say that spirituality is only about monistic mother earth hippy shit?

The most basic definition being:

spirituality

\Spir`it*u*al"i*ty\, n.; pl. Spiritualities. [L. spiritualitas: cf. F. spiritualit['e].] 1. The quality or state of being spiritual; incorporeality; heavenly-mindedness.

(yes, i can goodle, so you can forget the witty comebacks)

the idea of being spiritual is that you don't need a person to carry on a relationship with your *insert deity here _______* You have YOUR beliefs, not someone else's that are convenient to adopt.

It has nothing to do with being one with anything (trees, dirt, moon mother goddess hippy dippy shit, unless thats who *it* is to you) Its not a houlier than thou attitude, which I have come across far more often with "christians", mormons and other assorted "true religions".

However, I think the bottom line with this particular story is that people do stupid things which may or may not involve religion. Judging soley on the quotes in the article (which I'm going to assume are direct) the people who were partaking in this 'exorcism' are most likely not benefitting from anything society could or should offer them, including a highschool education and healthcare. So there's where i point the blame. BLAME SOCIETY!!!!!!! *mUAHHAHAHAHAH!!* :tounge1:

[Crazy Dave]

Originally posted by Bunny


theres a difference between those beleifs with a name and those without; ones called religion and the other is spirituality.

Spirituality is religion. Just not formal one like Catholic, Baptist, Muslim, or Wicken

Just look at say Hinduism, it's not really one religion it's a big pile of religions that are all similar. Or even Buddhism for that matter. It's split in to 100's of sub types, and even every one fallowing it has his/her sub views.

Religion is just a system of belief, no different then what you or I have. Or own systen of belief is formed by the people about us, just like say some thing in a church would happen. It's all the same.