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View Poll Results: Do American military actions make the world a safer place?
Yes, killing people leads to peace. 4 16.00%
No, killing people creates new enimies that will want to kill Americans. 21 84.00%
They have no effect. 0 0%
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Bush Calls It Quits/Admits He's a HUGE Failure

(Well not yet but I'd sure like to see it happen, however the facts are clear and people need to know)



Three Easy Pieces for Any Decent American (from Michael Moore)
September 15, 2003

There are many otherwise decent Americans who are either still on the fence about George W. Bush or they actually profess to like the man. They are the ones who make up the 58% approval ratings and the 64% who say they still believe the war was a good idea. You know these people well. They work next to you, or they sit in the classroom next to you, or they may even be sitting at your kitchen table right now!

I think that we need to hold out a hand to them, not in a partisan sort of way, and not with any condescension. I think that if we share with them a few pieces of information, and do it with common sense instead of politics, there is a chance we just might break through and turn things around. Perhaps it's my foolish optimism in the goodness that is in every person, and in their ability to ultimately know right from wrong.

I would like to give you three little vignettes to share with them. They are so simple and so shocking in their very content that, if you pass them around the office, the school, the neighborhood or the bedroom, it may just do the trick. Here they are:

1. GEORGE AND LAURA ON 9/11 -- A BARREL OF LAUGHS!

The following is an interview with the First Couple from the current issue of one of my favorite magazines, Ladies Home Journal (Oct. '03). They are asked about what September 11, 2001, was like for them personally, and, although over 3,000 people had just perished, George W. was able to find some humor by the end of that day:

Peggy Noonan (the interviewer): You were separated on September 11th. What was it like when you saw each other again?

Laura Bush: Well, we just hugged. I think there was a certain amount of security in being with each other than being apart.

George W. Bush: But the day ended on a relatively humorous note. The agents said, "you'll be sleeping downstairs. Washington's still a dangerous place." And I said no, I can't sleep down there, the bed didn't look comfortable. I was really tired, Laura was tired, we like our own bed. We like our own routine. You know, kind of a nester. I knew I had to deal with the issue the next day and provide strength and comfort to the country, and so I needed rest in order to be mentally prepared. So I told the agent we're going upstairs, and he reluctantly said okay. Laura wears contacts, and she was sound asleep. Barney was there. And the agent comes running up and says, "We're under attack. We need you downstairs," and so there we go. I'm in my running shorts and my T-shirt, and I'm barefooted. Got the dog in one hand, Laura had a cat, I'm holding Laura --

Laura Bush: I don't have my contacts in , and I'm in my fuzzy house slippers --

George W. Bush: And this guy's out of breath, and we're heading straight down to the basement because there's an incoming unidentified airplane, which is coming toward the White House. Then the guy says it's a friendly airplane. And we hustle all the way back up stairs and go to bed.

Mrs. Bush: [LAUGHS] And we just lay there thinking about the way we must have looked.

Peggy Noonan (interviewer): So the day starts in tragedy and ends in Marx Brothers.

George W. Bush: THAT'S RIGHT-- WE GOT A LAUGH OUT OF IT!

(end)

Although America had just suffered the worst attack ever on our own soil, somehow this man was able to end his day on a funny note. I wonder how many of the 3,000 families who lost someone earlier that day had a funny ending before they went to sleep? Please read the above exchange aloud to anyone who will listen. It speaks volumes.

2. WE HAVE JUST WRECKED OUR KIDS' FUTURE.

The first paragraph in yesterday's New York Times story on how Bush has taken a record surplus and demolished it into a record deficit was one of the best lead paragraphs I have ever read in a newspaper article.

Here's how it went:

"When President Bush informed the nation last Sunday night that remaining in Iraq next year will cost another $87 billion, many of those who will actually pay that bill were unable to watch. They had already been put to bed by their parents."

Bingo. Gee, I hope the kids thank us some day!

Here's the next paragraph (my emphasis added):

"Administration officials acknowledged the next day that every dollar of that cost will be BORROWED, a loan that economists say will be repaid by the NEXT generation of taxpayers AND THE GENERATION AFTER THAT. The $166 BILLION cost of the work SO FAR in Iraq and Afghanistan, which has stunned many in Washington, will be added to what was already the largest budget deficit the nation has ever known."

Every conservative friend of yours should weep when they read that, and then you should hug them and tell them that it'll be okay, once we all do what we need to do.

3. WHAT WOULD $87 BILLION BUY?

If you can't get through this list without wanting to throw up, I'll understand. But pass it around anyway. This is the nail in the Iraq War's coffin for any sane, thinking individual, regardless of their political stripe (thanks to TomPaine.com and the Center for American Progress)...

To get some perspective, here are some real-life comparisons about what $87 billion means:

$87 Billion Is More Than The Combined Total Of All State Budget Deficits In The United States.

The Bush administration proposed absolutely zero funds to help states deal with these deficits, despite the fact that their tax cuts drove down state revenues. [Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities]

$87 Billion Is Enough To Pay The 3.3 Million People Who Have Lost Jobs Under George W. Bush $26,363 Each!

The unemployment benefits extension passed by Congress at the beginning of this year provides zero benefits to "workers who exhausted their regular, state unemployment benefits and cannot find work." All told, two-thirds of unemployed workers have exhausted their benefits. [Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities]

$87 Billion Is More Than DOUBLE The Total Amount The Government Spends On Homeland Security.

The U.S. spends about $36 billion on homeland security. Yet, Sen. Warren Rudman (R-N.H.) wrote "America will fall approximately $98.4 billion short of meeting critical emergency responder needs" for homeland security without a funding increase. [Source: Council on Foreign Relations]

$87 Billion Is 87 Times The Amount The Federal Government Spends On After School Programs.

George W. Bush proposed a budget that reduces the $1 billion for after-school programs to $600 million -- cutting off about 475,000 children from the program. [Source: The Republican-dominated House Appropriations Committee]

$87 Billion Is More Than 10 Times What The Government Spends On All Environmental Protection.

The Bush administration requested just $7.6 billion for the entire Environmental Protection Agency. This included a 32 percent cut to water quality grants, a 6 percent reduction in enforcement staff, and a 50 percent cut to land acquisition and conservation. [Source: Natural Resources Defense Council]

There you go. In black and white. A few million of you will receive this letter. Please share the above with at least a half-dozen people today and tomorrow. I, like you, do not want to see another approval rating over 50%.

Yours,
Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
moorelist@aol.com
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you really like going off about this kinda stuff don' t you?
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you really like going off about this kinda stuff don' t you?
What kind of stuff? I have interests in a broad range of topics. In general I like to "go off" about a lot of things, as in talk about them with other people.
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Most Americans I've talked to don't support unprovoked violence or either of the Bush cabinents wars.
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all wars are plotted out by the Illuminati u silly kids! Bush is just another one of thier puppets.
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There is a lot of evidence to suggest that the Illuminati are playing a role in a lot of things but I think that for the most part it's a convienant excuse for people to fall into apathy. True or not I think it's the case with all conspiracy theories. They allow us to tell ourselves we have no power to change things. Sort of like religion...

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Who/whats an Illuminati.
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There is a lot of evidence to suggest that the Illuminati are playing a role in a lot of things but I think that for the most part it's a convienant excuse for people to fall into apathy. True or not I think it's the case with all conspiracy theories. They allow us to tell ourselves we have no power to change things. Sort of like religion...
Its hard to change the inevitable...

The Illuminati control the world banks bla bla they are bringing the anti christ to fruition bla bla bla BAD PEOPLE! MAKR OF BEAST! BAD STUFF!
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He's not going to do this unless the Iraq war recieves the same level of unpopularity in the masses that the Vietnam war did. Although it is true that many Americans oppose this, it is nothing even close to the extent of the anti vietnam protests. In fact, the scary thing is more and more people are growing to support the action in Iraq.

Even in the case that the Iraq war grows to be extremely unpopular, only uncovering a major political scandal would force him to resign (a la nixon) and only then. A politician should really represent accruately the mentality of the nation that is behind him, in Bush's case, it is extremely stubborn and dangerously aggressive. It would not be very possible for him/the nation to admit fault.
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He's not going to do this unless the Iraq war recieves the same level of unpopularity in the masses that the Vietnam war did. Although it is true that many Americans oppose this, it is nothing even close to the extent of the anti vietnam protests. In fact, the scary thing is more and more people are growing to support the action in Iraq.

Even in the case that the Iraq war grows to be extremely unpopular, only uncovering a major political scandal would force him to resign (a la nixon) and only then. A politician should really represent accruately the mentality of the nation that is behind him, in Bush's case, it is extremely stubborn and dangerously aggressive. It would not be very possible for him/the nation to admit fault.
The prewar protests were just as large as the Vietnam era protests. Also keep in mind that the Vietnam era protests didn't gain momentum untill over 4 years after the war started. Since the end of the war and the start of the occupation Bushes popularity has started to and continues to decline.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...oll-usat_x.htm
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Lostcause: In other countries one may be persecuted to voice their opinion of even facts upon some of these matters, it's great to live here in Canada where it's allowed eh?


Micheal fukn Moore. Buddy does a good job puttin in lamens terms what's so fucked up with North America's political structure, his own biased aside. Now if he could only touch upon EU or UN corruption than I'd say he's worthy of more attention than helping old ladies across the street.
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Of course killing leads to peace, but only when you make sure that you kill everyone, including yourself...


i never got the logic behind invading a non aggressive nation in the name of peace, dont these politicians remember highschool? if you kick the shit outta someone cahances are the only consequence is that a week later him and five friends are cgonna jump you outside of your friends house at 2am in the morning and beat the shit outta you.

atleast thats how i remember it..hahah
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yeah....

its a lost cause....

only way to "fix" things is to start poppin caps
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hows he failing ? hes after the oil nothing else. south america s next , you'll see.
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yeah....

its a lost cause....

only way to "fix" things is to start poppin caps
:trippin: thats a good 1

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i think instead of using weapond and stuff to kill the fawkers just fly over with like a couple million pennies and drop em.. it will kill the ppl it hits.. and u didnt waste near as much money as u would on bullets
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