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its the defenseman's job to make sure things liek that dont happen..the goalie is only the last lien of defence
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Oct 28, 03
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asean u read my mind. i was just gonna say that the goalie is the last line of defense. Like i said before as much as i hate cloutier he isnt always the 1 to blame. Look at last years playoffs vs Minny. We could of easily finished it of before 7 games if the Canucks defense didnt give up on Cloutier. I hope Cloutier will turn into a Patrick Lalime. LIke Cloutier Lalime took alot of heat for years until finally improving his game through hard work and effort to become the goalie he is today. Oh and lastly Matt Cooke and Malik rock. Woot Woot Malik has #1 +/- in the league. Last year he finsihed high too.
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Oct 28, 03
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i'll admit...i've have had enough patience with cloutier the last three years. So far he's proven that he can compete during the regular season. However, when it comes to playoffs even though the team does not play that great defensively he still needs to come up with key saves during key moments in the games.
With a lot of canucks stepping up their game I think it's time for Cloutz to step up his game or else put Hedberg in to push him to the ultimate level.
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Oct 28, 03
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you can't pull a goalie until he starts playing weak, he's tired, or he's injured. cloutier earned the starting job, both him and headberg were at the same tryout, went for the same position, and cloutier was deemed the better netminder for the canucks.
cloutier paid his dues to get a #1 job, hedberg is doing really well and could probably be a #1 on a weaker team. we have one of the best backups in the leauge, no doubt. regardless, it would be such a stupid move, we'd be paying 2.5 million US to a goaltender (the most psychologically demanding position) who now can't be sure his team has any faith in him. pulling dumbshit moves like that makes the rest ofy our team question your faith in them. and guess what, in the end basicly telling your #1 goalie that you don't believe in him, just for a CHANCE at having your unproven backup make the step to #1, is dumb on a TEAM, PERSONAL, FINANCIAL and STANDINGS level. why would you take a goalie who's taken you to 2 of your biggest seasons just to give your backup a tryout that he already had a month ago? it doesn't make sense. Last edited by rawb; Oct 28, 03 at 11:43 AM.
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Oct 28, 03
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that's why they have tryouts.
who sounds more on top of his game? cloutier missed 15 games last season and still won 30 games out of 57 (lost 16, overall 8th best in leaugein wins), more than any other canuck goalie ever has. he had a 2.42 gaa, and a .908 save percentage. hedberg played 41 games, and only won 14. his GAA was over 3 and his save% was less than 900. now again, who would you rather have in net? a guy who had a streak in the playoffs 2 years ago and has done shit all since - or a solid season goaltender who has trouble in some playoff games? Last edited by rawb; Oct 28, 03 at 12:20 PM.
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Oct 28, 03
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LoL....hmmmm consider this....which i guess you haven't....
Hedberg had who infront of him two years ago? and Who did hedberg have the last two years? Now who did cloutier the last two years have infront of him offensively and defensively....(note:some players are gone now) Ohlund...Jovo...Malik...Baron...Lachance ....Allen....Salo...Sopel and a couple more i forgot. With the Likes of Naslund Bertuzzi and Morrison. And all the fire power they had last year for them to finish second in scoring... Now you look at those shitty birds...tell me what the hell did they have?....ummmm.....yeah that's what i thought. Now why don't you try puttin Hedberg in when he's got the canucks Defence infront of him? Pretty much what the pens had two years ago if not even better. Point Proven and made
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Oct 28, 03
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canucks defence before this season has been one quality pair and shit else. team defence is atrocious, we're an offensive team and have been for a while. cloutier averaged 25 shots a game last season, hedberg 29. 4 more shots a game is the difference between winning 32 and winning 14? where's your point?
are you seriously suggesting that cloutier wasn't an effective part of our awesome season last year? are you seriously saying that a goalie who lets in over a goal every ten shots is faultless in how a team does? are you seriously suggesting that cloutier didn't earn his top spot through great regular season play the last two years? are you seriously suggesting that cloutier did not win top spot in the tryouts? are you seriously suggesting that you are smarter than canucks management and coaching staff, who have watched hours of game film, practiced with both goalies, played both goalies, and made thier decision? point proven and made? lol, go listen to some more commentators kid.
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Oct 28, 03
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lol you sound like an amateur....hmmm let me say this before u go on say seriously suggesting another time because u sound like a true dumbass over here.
First of all...umm how did cloutier get a starting position...because ummmmm he was given a chance....what was CLOUTIER BEFORE A STARTER? Hmmmm last time i checked he was a backup. Second of all your takin this way too seriously i never questioned their moves once. I'm just saying hedberg deserves a chance and your throwing a hissy fit.
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cloutiers in net, were #1 in the northwest division, tied for first in the western conference with 10 points, and you want to mix things up? why do you want to change a goalie that is winning and getting results? that's just stupid. Last edited by rawb; Oct 28, 03 at 01:32 PM.
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Oct 28, 03
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Cloutier is #1. Heberg is #2.
IF Cloutier gets injured or has a streak of a few bad games then Hedberg will get a chance to step in. Otherwise he will Hedberg will continue to be a back up. I have a lot of opinions on the way things should be but I won't confuse those with the way things are. As is Cloutier is sitting at a .908 save % and has a 2.14 GAA, these are good numbers on an offensive club. Just for sake of comparison lets look at Dwayne Rolson, Minnesota's starting goalie, who's played one game less than Cloutier. He has a .899 save % and 2.73 GAA on one of the best defensive teams in the league... Hmmm... maybe just maybe Marc Crawford knows a little more about this than we do?
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Oct 29, 03
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All this Cloutier/Hedberg shit is funny.... let me clear it up for you folks.... you don't mess with a winning combo.
I mean look at the facts that Nolan came up with there.... while you may not see it Cloutier has great stats. Don't kid yourself, every goalie has off nights including the so-called greats. As rawb said, Cloutier EARNED his starting position and he's been doing just fine by our team. You bitch about goals that he has let in but do you ever look at the goal as a whole rahter than just the point where the puck croseed the line? What about the30 seconds to minute before the goal? Was the Vancouver defensive line doing its job? Were they keeping up on the forecheck to avoid posession? A lot of the time when Cloutier is scored on its not just him, its a team fuck up. As much as I love our team you have to admit that we have an amzing ability to drop our defensive edge and get walked on for some periods. Seriously people, don't just yell crap like 'Give Hedberg a chance' without knowing your facts. Just because the Canucks are winning now and you decided to watch hockey because everyone else is doing it... it doesn't make you a pro on the game. I can tell that at least some of the people who posted have watched hockey for YEARS and know the game and some of you... careful for the bumps because the bandwagon is real easy to fall off of. :c-tard:
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Oct 29, 03
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Oct 29, 03
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being an ex hockey player myself i think i know atleast a bit about hockey not to say i know more then any of you guys here. But overall after reading this whole thread i think dlo-604 u should stop posting here cause what your saying makes no sense. What Rawb is saying makes total sense in "my" opinion. This is just my 2 cents though you guys can argue all you want.
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Oct 30, 03
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I was at the game yesterday and I can tell you this. All three goals that hedberg was beat on were either deflected or giveaways that led to goals.
And a thousand posts????? yeah sure i didn't say Cloutier has not proven himself. He has in the regular season. But what happens to all these timely saves in the playoffs? I don't see them coming the last two years so what happens to cloutier in the playoffs? If he does finally does decide to start to play like he does in the season then yes i would agree Cloutier is a CLUTCH goaltender. However, I still think that goal that he let in from centre scored by Lidstrom will continue to haunt him until he proves himself to be handy in the playoffs. St.Louis he was huge. Minni he was shaky a most times E_boy:I've played hockey for over 12 years I think i would know what i'm talking about. I started since i was 5. Everybody starts somewhere and obviously you don't understand because you obviously think cloutier has proven himself.
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Oct 30, 03
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You're being unfair to Cloutier though... I agree that one playoff goal threw him off his game vs. Detroit a couple years ago but the Canucks didn't lose to Minnesota because of a breakdown in goaltending.
Cloutier definitely proved himself against St. Louis and remeber that the Canucks were up 3 games to 1 in the Minnesota series. The team broke down in that series, not just Clouts. If our offense had of kept scoring and our defense remained on top of their game then Cloutier wouldn't have had to make so many saves in the last 3 games. Facts are just that... FACTS, and the facts are that it was a team loss that shouldn't be put on the head of our goaltender. Cloutier is our #1, he's earned it. As for the Columbus game.... two of the goals that Hedberg let in were a bit shaky. The only goal that was a good goal was that one slapshot that came in off the point. Hedberg didn't even know the puck was in the net... he didn't see it at all. I'd say bottom line is that for overall goal tending that Clouts is the guy to stick with until Hedberg proves different. I mean Hedberg beats Clouts in stick handling but other than that I'd say we still have to stick with Cloutier. Last edited by Cdn_Brdr; Oct 30, 03 at 11:38 PM.
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Oct 31, 03
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Sure Cloutie was huge againest St.Louis i'll admit that. I'm just curious as though why wasn't he as aggressive as he was during the Minni Series. I mean seemed to me as though he was always backed in the blue paint when he should be challenging the shooters. That was last year this is this year. Like you said Cdn_Bdr Hedberg is definitly a better puck handler then Cloutier.
Only time will tell in April. I'm pretty sure the nucks will make the playoffs with home ice advantage once again. The way their playing is great. They finally got the sedins n king rolling and personally I think they'll keep dominating teams againest the boards. It'll be interesting how to see how this team does in April. slug:i'll no more about hockey then you ever will. bwahahaha stick with ur game basketball
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