Swing Kids/Ravers

[ppcock]

are you saying ravers are actually nazi hero superman?

i think thats what you're saying.

[Sykonee]

Originally posted by finger_7:

The "average raver" is up against the greater portion of society that by all rights believes what we do is wrong. We have an illusion of rights, freedoms and amendments in north america that do not include the absolute freedom to gather in a public place to listen to what we want and legally party as we want. Raving is something not acceptable by those who write, defend or enforce the law, or by the "good" people in society that will abhor raving and then head to their local pub to poison themselves beyond recognition in an "acceptable" fashion. Therefore, to rave is to embrace your absolute freedom for an evening, to defy the trappings of society, your everyday job, or the system itself and dance and enjoy music and hang with those people who carry the same free spirit as you somewhere where the law can not reach. It's a temporary euphoric escape of sorts and that's how I view it.

Hnn... I started going just because they played better music than the high school dances back in those days. Not once did I ever feel I was 'defying the trappings of society'. I understood it was a place to bloody well have some fun and let the night take me somewhere through a path of decadent debauchery. I could just as easily have done it at a waterfront party, a camping party, a house party, or any number of combinations. The only reason why I ever leaned more towards the raving side of things was of the music that was played...

...As I'm sure was the same reasoning many swing kids had as well.

My Grandfather was a Swing Kid when they'd have swing parties up in Rupert years ago and he and I get into many discussions over the resemblance of dance parties then and now. The conclusions we've made through our many debates are pretty much outlined in the above paragraph. There was nothing counter-cultural about it then and there sure as hell isn't anything counter-cultural about it now.

[inkster]

Originally posted by Vitamin~J
^ what the hell is that, I was too lazy to really read any of it...

are you sure you're writing a paper?

or are you just going to jizz on a few blank sheets and hand that in? because, if you don't at least try to get any references, that's what your paper is going to come across as.

[robyn]

Originally posted by Vitamin~J
^ :338: obviously u didnt read finger_7s post... it wasnt the fact that they were doing it to piss the Nazi's off... it was the fact that they were dancing for their own enjoyment, but were being prosecuted by doing so...

Just like kids can be often prosecuted now... When u tell an average person that u go to raves... whats ur usual response... "Oh so you're one of those kids that do drugs and listen to that devil techno music..."

Just like kids back then... Oh you listen to that black and jew music, and go to those awful swing parties...

It was underground, with kids dancing to music,... rave anyone?
Again, im not saying their exactly the same... but similar...

and I think ur missing the point, the point was to find out why people rave?

You're really going to liken the limited freedoms faced by a raver to those faced by people who actually lived through WWII?

I've been partying for a few years now, and have discovered NO ONE GIVES A FUCK! You're not part of some hardcore underground movement, everyone parties now. Spooky? IMF? Either of those ring a bell? It's a pretty mainstream habit.

[finger_7]

Originally posted by robyn


You're really going to liken the limited freedoms faced by a raver to those faced by people who actually lived through WWII?

I've been partying for a few years now, and have discovered NO ONE GIVES A FUCK! You're not part of some hardcore underground movement, everyone parties now. Spooky? IMF? Either of those ring a bell? It's a pretty mainstream habit.

Meh, tis true, I would have to agree and as I mentioned the main thing for me is that I find it a temporary escape to have some fun times. I myself may be idealistic, but I don't bring that to parties. I just have a good time like everyone else.

[Mc*Phee]

JEN/KELLY!!!!! I'm suprised you girls arn't all over this thread! Swing Kids!!!! lol socials 11! aww the memories! ;)

[Vitamin~J]

woo mama... I didnt think posting this thread was going to raise such a rukus...
I was just wondering why people liked to rave and its seems people are taking it a little to personally that I thought it was neat how the old 40's Swing Parties, somwhat resembled raves today... and didnt even bother sharing why they rave... personally I use them as a way to express myself, and listen to the music that gives me a feeling that words cant describe...
I notice that almost everybody is trying to make something on this website drama, and quite frankly I'm sick of it... Why is every post on here turning into a negative debate? I know it sounds cliche' but whers the PLUR that unites us as ravers? Seems that this generation has lost it, and it shows in the scene these days... It's not what it used to be... but whatever, u all have ur opinions, I just think that you should choose to respect them in positive ways...

Rave on!

[g l o w]

oh... so no wonder Salim named his company "Swing Kids"

[ebbomega]

Originally posted by Vitamin~J
woo mama... I didnt think posting this thread was going to raise such a rukus...
I was just wondering why people liked to rave and its seems people are taking it a little to personally that I thought it was neat how the old 40's Swing Parties, somwhat resembled raves today... and didnt even bother sharing why they rave... personally I use them as a way to express myself, and listen to the music that gives me a feeling that words cant describe...
I notice that almost everybody is trying to make something on this website drama, and quite frankly I'm sick of it... Why is every post on here turning into a negative debate? I know it sounds cliche' but whers the PLUR that unites us as ravers? Seems that this generation has lost it, and it shows in the scene these days... It's not what it used to be... but whatever, u all have ur opinions, I just think that you should choose to respect them in positive ways...

Rave on!

If I were growing up in an opressive regime where at any moment for no particular reason other than you somehow managed to make an enemy out of Die Fuhrer because of who you are someone comes, busts down your door, shoots your parents, takes you off to a work camp and throws you in a gas chamber, and then some suburbanite has the gall to compare themselves to the suffering I'd gone through because, oh, it's a social faux-pas and the Fashion Police might look down on you (which it may have been about 10 years ago, but not now at all), and suddenly you're as repressed as me..... I think I'd take that pretty personally.

Seems to me by trying to make this connection, all you're really doing is trampling on the memories of all the people who suffered so that we could live in the luxury that the western world currently does. Especially if you refuse to even Research your topic (Heck, we even GAVE YOU the book to look at... few academic institutions above high school do that much for you.)

[starsprite]

Originally posted by Mc*Phee
JEN/KELLY!!!!! I'm suprised you girls arn't all over this thread! Swing Kids!!!! lol socials 11! aww the memories! ;)

Werd ;)
~Swing Heil Kelleigh!!!~

<3 bei mir bist du schön

[Vitamin~J]

Originally posted by ebbomega


If I were growing up in an opressive regime where at any moment for no particular reason other than you somehow managed to make an enemy out of Die Fuhrer because of who you are someone comes, busts down your door, shoots your parents, takes you off to a work camp and throws you in a gas chamber, and then some suburbanite has the gall to compare themselves to the suffering I'd gone through because, oh, it's a social faux-pas and the Fashion Police might look down on you (which it may have been about 10 years ago, but not now at all), and suddenly you're as repressed as me..... I think I'd take that pretty personally.

Seems to me by trying to make this connection, all you're really doing is trampling on the memories of all the people who suffered so that we could live in the luxury that the western world currently does. Especially if you refuse to even Research your topic (Heck, we even GAVE YOU the book to look at... few academic institutions above high school do that much for you.)

Well, I am sorry I insulted you so much... It was not my goal to take anything away from what had happend in the 40's and for the people who suffered from the Nazi Regime, and I am amazed that you actually beleive that it was the point of this thread. My goodness, I dont understand how you cant warp something so bad and alter something so brutally... I know alot about WWII and my grandparents were from Poland were forced to work in camps, so I have nothing but respect for the people that died, and survived the ordeal.

I was simply taking an observation that young people got together to dance to music, much like they do today to express themselves... and I found it interesting, and wondered what people thought about raves today, and what raves infact meant to them...

Unfortunatly you seemed to totally miss that point, and focused so hard to attempt to find any fault in my observation, to critique it and disort it in any way possible. I hope that I have made myself clear in the fact that my goal of this thread was not to take anything away from the people who suffered from the Nazi Regime, rather to share an observation that I noticed a similarity between the kids of the 40's and the kids of today.

I hope most of you noticed that obvious point, and did not take this thread as an insult as some people mistakenly have...

[*KeLLnEsS*]

*Swing Hiel* Awesomest movie EVER!

[shorerider]

Originally posted by Vitamin~J


Well, I am sorry I insulted you so much... It was not my goal to take anything away from what had happend in the 40's and for the people who suffered from the Nazi Regime, and I am amazed that you actually beleive that it was the point of this thread. My goodness, I dont understand how you cant warp something so bad and alter something so brutally... I know alot about WWII and my grandparents were from Poland were forced to work in camps, so I have nothing but respect for the people that died, and survived the ordeal.

I was simply taking an observation that young people got together to dance to music, much like they do today to express themselves... and I found it interesting, and wondered what people thought about raves today, and what raves infact meant to them...

Unfortunatly you seemed to totally miss that point, and focused so hard to attempt to find any fault in my observation, to critique it and disort it in any way possible. I hope that I have made myself clear in the fact that my goal of this thread was not to take anything away from the people who suffered from the Nazi Regime, rather to share an observation that I noticed a similarity between the kids of the 40's and the kids of today.

I hope most of you noticed that obvious point, and did not take this thread as an insult as some people mistakenly have...

I think it is you who missed the point. What did anyone who lived in Nazi Germany and raves have to do with each other? You started this stupid thread, within the first few lines you were drawing comparrisons to two topics that have absolutley nothing to do with each other.