Buy Nothing Day

[Haze]

I think that my favorite things are:

"This year you're going take things to the next level -- by helping to spread the word far and wide. It means starting now: telling friends, handing out flyers, postering, uploading web banners and printing t-shirts."

or

"Or hold a fundraiser and buy an ad outright."



Let me get this straight... You are going to buy an ad, or buy supplies/printing costs so that you can buy nothing... GOT IT!

- ë

[PHOTONIC]

ive never understood this buy nothing day. What the fuck is the point? Buying and selling has been around for thousands and thousands of years, its manditory. Not buying anything for a day is gonna make no difference. If you wanna make a difference, give me all your money and possessions and go live on the street and dig through garbage for your food and clothing. And even if you did that, no one would notice. This day tries to protest against the economy, yet the economy is absolutely essential to the world. Maybe some concepts are just too simple?

[~god~]

Originally Posted by PHOTONIC

ive never understood this buy nothing day. What the fuck is the point? Buying and selling has been around for thousands and thousands of years, its manditory.

you obviously don't understand the concept of this activity.
the purpose of this whole thing is not stab the corporate world. the BND is symbolic, and allows the consumers to think twice before they contineau on their daily routines.

[djmarkpaul]

Since adbusters has come out with their sweatshop friendly Blackspot sneaker, going along with any of their jargon is like wiping your ass while you're still shitting.

Blaming corporations is just another puppet show, but I like the illuminati action pyramid (props on hiding shit in plain view).

If this day were monthly instead of annually it may make a sustainable difference. Since it's not I have the contention that BND is just a cheap excuse so half assed hippies can feel like their diluted efforts aren't in vain, which for the most part they are.

A day isn't a lifestyle, and don't give me you have to start somewhere shit, Allah is great.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by ~god~

BND is symbolic, and allows the consumers to think twice before they contineau on their daily routines.

When society is keen on having people classified as consumers, don't expect them to think twice, hell, don't expect them to think at all, that's the whole idea behind that word.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Since adbusters has come out with their sweatshop friendly Blackspot sneaker, going along with any of their jargon is like wiping your ass while you're still shitting.

Blaming corporations is just another puppet show, but I like the illuminati action pyramid (props on hiding shit in plain view).

If this day were monthly instead of annually it may make a sustainable difference. Since it's not I have the contention that BND is just a cheap excuse so half assed hippies can feel like their diluted efforts aren't in vain, which for the most part they are.

A day isn't a lifestyle, and don't give me you have to start somewhere shit, Allah is great.

Before I just call you a complete idiot I have a question.

Do you have any better idea? Please for the love of Allah, God, or the fucking Illuminati answer yes! If so go and do it. I'm all for getting invloved with things to make our city, province, country, and the world a better place and regularly try and make a difference. On the other hand all I hear from you is conspiracy this, conspiracy that and we're all a bunch of sheep (look out for the lizards!). Mud slinging aside why not take all of your ideas and energy, put something together and actually do something about it?

Petty insults aside please do answer the question(s).

P.S. what do you have against shoes, or the black spot sneaker? I bet you own some to!

[NinjaBoy]

drop in the bucket.

I really doubt any corparation is worried about BND.

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Originally Posted by Senior

P.S. what do you have against shoes, or the black spot sneaker? I bet you own some too!

I like shoes.

[Wood]

I don't agree with it, it casts the aspersion that all businesses are ruthless exploiters only out to make a buck. Small business people, and lots of big business people, are working hard to make a living just like anyone else. what does it prove to make those people the target of a massive boycott? Don't consumers make their consumption money by working at jobs for these businesses? It seems to me that it advocates an 'us vs them' mentality that is totally false & conterproductive.

In truth though, in all my years as a small business person i've never noticed any effect on my sales due to buy nothing day, so i'm sure the effect on big corporations (who would, imo, be the only legitimate targets for this kind of action) doesn't even register a blip on the radar. Methinks it's time to find a better way to express our discontent with corporate practices.....

[Wood]

oh shit, it was last friday??

BUSIEST DAY OF THE MONTH, BABY

maybe we should have it once a month... seems like all that 'buying nothing' leaves plenty of extra bucks for a vinyl purchase.... ;)

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Originally Posted by Wood

oh shit, it was last friday??

BUSIEST DAY OF THE MONTH, BABY

maybe we should have it once a month... seems like all that 'buying nothing' leaves plenty of extra bucks for a vinyl purchase.... ;)

Admit it, boomtown is an evil major corporation in disguise, brainwashing us all slowly with your "electronic" music and are sitting poised and ready to take control of all the world with all the people your slaves.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Wood

oh shit, it was last friday??

BUSIEST DAY OF THE MONTH, BABY

maybe we should have it once a month... seems like all that 'buying nothing' leaves plenty of extra bucks for a vinyl purchase.... ;)

Well it's actually this coming Friday (November 26th) but anyway glad to hear business was good for you.

As for your criticsism though, BND is a protest and it's not the ultimate solution. The point like all protests is to encourage things to change and bring attention to a problem. Right now consumerism on a global scale is a massive problem and something that needs to be thought about. As said it doesn't have massive corporations shaking in their boots but you never know what could happen if enough people participate.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by Senior

Before I just call you a complete idiot I have a question.

Do you have any better idea?

Yeah I already said in my previous post that this day could work alot better if it was monthly not annually. Now what was that about being a complete idiot you were going to mention?

Originally Posted by Senior

Please for the love of Allah, God, or the fucking Illuminati answer yes! If so go and do it.

I already am. The problem is besides me not being able to rule over the world and just plumb show y'all how it really works, the amount of people that are allowing themselves to be played on their impulses and image. You for instance, have your heart in the right place, but with your mind fail to see the extremity and depth of the situation of our planet. I'm not just going to believe that without getting input from yourself though, so let me ask, what do you feel about U.N. resolutions regarding the war on terror?

Originally Posted by Senior

I'm all for getting invloved with things to make our city, province, country, and the world a better place and regularly try and make a difference. On the other hand all I hear from you is conspiracy this, conspiracy that and we're all a bunch of sheep (look out for the lizards!). Mud slinging aside why not take all of your ideas and energy, put something together and actually do something about it?

Well I am Nolan, you're just too busy disagreeing with me to realize why you are in disagreement. What I'm trying to do about it is taking on the corruption of society by exposing it from the roots. Now when dealing with the subject of conspiracies, it's good to be skeptical. Ad hominems on your behalf aren't in the nature of skepticism, they are dismissive in nature. You have your entire life to live and hold your opinion, and can oppose mine if you see it fit, but unless you have seen the evidence I have you're just being paranoid of being paranoid. Now I would love to share that information with you, but I'm not about to spend 2 hours laying it out for you just so you can write it off. If you want, come over, I will show you video evidence on a number of accounts which prove that my claims are warrented, despite how extreme they may seem.

I would like to see some evidence that has formed your opinion aswell, it's only fair. To find out why your claims make sense and why they can counter mine. Until you are ready to do that, opposing my opinion is just being paranoid of being paranoid. At worst, I'm being paranoid, and that is far better than being paranoid of being paranoid, which is the unfortunate state of the majority of folks in our consumerist society.

I'm not saying that there are shape shifting lizards ruling our planet, but their is definetly alot of aquirable and provable information that can easily show the common public that key bloodlines have been in power for a long time. It's called genealogy, start
here to pick up on some contemporary sources.

Originally Posted by Senior

Petty insults aside please do answer the question(s).

P.S. what do you have against shoes, or the black spot sneaker? I bet you own some to!

I really hope you practice what you preach and answer mine aswell. I don't have a problem with people that own and realize they own shoes made from sweatshops. It's ignorance that bothers me. I own a pair of adidas btw. It's shoes like the blackspot that are being marketed as being the answer to corporate greed but fail to let you know they too are using sweatshops to make their product. Hey if the shoe fits, let me kick you in the ass with it!
Revolution has been marketed, cue the sandman.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Yeah I already said in my previous post that this day could work alot better if it was monthly not annually. Now what was that about being a complete idiot you were going to mention?

Okay, so then start the campaign. I'd just like to see you out there on your feet doing something about any of this. If you are then great, if not get to it.

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

I already am. The problem is besides me not being able to rule over the world and just plumb show y'all how it really works, the amount of people that are allowing themselves to be played on their impulses and image. You for instance, have your heart in the right place, but with your mind fail to see the extremity and depth of the situation of our planet. I'm not just going to believe that without getting input from yourself though, so let me ask, what do you feel about U.N. resolutions regarding the war on terror?

Well we both have our opinions but when it comes down to it either of us or both of us could be wrong, or being played off. As for the health of the planet, well I think the planets doing just fine. It's the human species I'm worried about, self preservation you know? As for the UN and their most recent resolution on terrorism I haven't read it, can you provide a link I'll look at it.

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Well I am Nolan, you're just too busy disagreeing with me to realize why you are in disagreement. What I'm trying to do about it is taking on the corruption of society by exposing it from the roots. Now when dealing with the subject of conspiracies, it's good to be skeptical. Ad hominems on your behalf aren't in the nature of skepticism, they are dismissive in nature. You have your entire life to live and hold your opinion, and can oppose mine if you see it fit, but unless you have seen the evidence I have you're just being paranoid of being paranoid. Now I would love to share that information with you, but I'm not about to spend 2 hours laying it out for you just so you can write it off. If you want, come over, I will show you video evidence on a number of accounts which prove that my claims are warrented, despite how extreme they may seem.

Look if you want to expose the corruption of society from it's roots than I suggest writing a book on it, even a semi indepth essay. Personally I find that sort of thing interesting so I'd probably read it. My opinion though is that when you get rid of coruption you create a void that will get filled by someone else. No matter what we do there will be coruption, but if you want to dedicate your life to fighting it than go ahead. I also think that democracy provides the needed checks and balances to correct the problems that coruption creates. So personally I see my time as being better spent trying to strengthen and create better democratic institutions.

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

I would like to see some evidence that has formed your opinion aswell, it's only fair. To find out why your claims make sense and why they can counter mine. Until you are ready to do that, opposing my opinion is just being paranoid of being paranoid. At worst, I'm being paranoid, and that is far better than being paranoid of being paranoid, which is the unfortunate state of the majority of folks in our consumerist society.

Okay you're really losing me here with the "I think that you think I think to much" tangent. You have a world view that coruption is the biggest problem I have a world view that there are many problems.

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

I'm not saying that there are shape shifting lizards ruling our planet, but their is definetly alot of aquirable and provable information that can easily show the common public that key bloodlines have been in power for a long time. It's called genealogy, start
here to pick up on some contemporary sources.

Well it is no secret that many different families have had positions of power for generations, this is nothing new. The Kennedys, Rockofellers, Bushs and so on. What's your point?

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

I really hope you practice what you preach and answer mine aswell. I don't have a problem with people that own and realize they own shoes made from sweatshops. It's ignorance that bothers me. I own a pair of adidas btw. It's shoes like the blackspot that are being marketed as being the answer to corporate greed but fail to let you know they too are using sweatshops to make their product. Hey if the shoe fits, let me kick you in the ass with it!
Revolution has been marketed, cue the sandman.

Well if ignorance bothers you so much than why not take a look at how the black spot shoe is made?
http://adbusters.org/metas/corpo/bla...ndtheshoe.html
You might be suprised to see it's not actually made at a sweat shop. Also what do you mean by sweat shops not bothering you just ignorance? Are you saying it's okay if there's coruption as long as people are aware of it? If companies that have the workers, the consumers, profit, and the environment as their priorities are not the solution than what is?

So unless you plan to have every peson in the world book 2 hour time slots at your house to hear your ideas than why not put something together for us to see?

[dr0pdeadfred]

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[pporpentine9]

Originally Posted by Senior

These are 2 ideas that I really like!

Whirl-Mart
Picture a team of jammers in lab coats, quietly pushing empty shopping carts up and down Wal-Mart aisles. Fun enough; definitely Zen. Or, take it to the next level. Fill the carts with junk and buy it all. "On buy nothing day?" you ask. Yes. Did you know that Wal-Mart has a guaranteed return policy? Get your refund and start again. And again. And again. The line-ups can get a bit long, but hey, it's a great opportunity to talk with shoppers.
Caution: Walmart Associates lose their smiles under stress.

hello, i'm new (in a manner of speaking) and i've just dropped in to say that this here is the one of the stupidest things i've ever heard about, even for adbusters (and that's saying something)

what could this sort of thing possibly accomplish, other than making the already horrible days of vulnerable, underpaid, stressed and tired minimum wage employees even worse? as you surely know, such workers often feel no actual affiliation for their employers at all, but do their work solely to earn whatever paltry money they can, and thus get by, as do many of us. in regards to those higher up in the company (i'd imagine that's who is ostensibly being targeted by these ridiculous acts of "culture jamming") the whole thing may as well have never happened.

at least i can rest assured in the knowledge that most self-styled "culture jammers" are far too shiftless to actually carry out any of these cock-eyed schemes. but if anyone does do this, if there's any justice in this world they will not only be refused service, but smacked with a heavy blunt object as well. brats.

-lauren

[wum]

I remember when I came back backpacking from Europe and I didn’t even turn on my TV for 8 months. In the meantime I learned to play the guitar and drums (sorta) and I didn’t even notice that I was wearing the same dirty clothes all the time. The point is, media affects us tremendously, and that’s what fuels consumer spending. Throw out your TV and rejoin society. :)

[Senior]

Originally Posted by wum

I remember when I came back backpacking from Europe and I didn’t even turn on my TV for 8 months. In the meantime I learned to play the guitar and drums (sorta) and I didn’t even notice that I was wearing the same dirty clothes all the time. The point is, media affects us tremendously, and that’s what fuels consumer spending. Throw out your TV and rejoin society. :)

Love it!

[maple blondie]

I can't believe something with so simple a concept would conduct such a huge conversation.


Just don't buy anything... Simple!

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by Senior

Well we both have our opinions but when it comes down to it either of us or both of us could be wrong, or being played off. As for the health of the planet, well I think the planets doing just fine. It's the human species I'm worried about, self preservation you know? As for the UN and their most recent resolution on terrorism I haven't read it, can you provide a link I'll look at it.

You need a link to know the agenda as a whole? It's simple, U.N. is a precursor for a one world government. One which will abolish money in place of credit, hightech biometrics and snoop technology in place in your home, borders, and every street corner eventually. A global police force (think NATO). I hope you don't need a link to see the big picture, how about you send me a link from anything you can get about the U.N. and I'll show you how it falls into this agenda?

Originally Posted by Senior

Look if you want to expose the corruption of society from it's roots than I suggest writing a book on it, even a semi indepth essay. Personally I find that sort of thing interesting so I'd probably read it. My opinion though is that when you get rid of coruption you create a void that will get filled by someone else. No matter what we do there will be coruption, but if you want to dedicate your life to fighting it than go ahead. I also think that democracy provides the needed checks and balances to correct the problems that coruption creates. So personally I see my time as being better spent trying to strengthen and create better democratic institutions.

Look up the roots of the word democracy. Rough translation from Latin to English, and you could call it Mob Rule. Democracy was created to factor in and cater to corruption, go find out what happened on May 1st 1776 and ask yourself why is an international distress signal known as "MayDay". You're right, I should probably write a book or some sort of essay.

Originally Posted by Senior

Well it is no secret that many different families have had positions of power for generations, this is nothing new. The Kennedys, Rockofellers, Bushs and so on. What's your point?

My point is that society is still in a Monarchy and it's painfully obvious! Putting royalty on our money, creating other versions of language for the higher classes and law, having secretary generals around, the whole system is a monarchy with a political smoke screen clouding the issues. Do the geneology on any U.S. president and you will find they are all pretty much related to the house of Windsor and all have fraternal masonic connections, none of which is ever mentioned on predominant media sources. All of Canda's founding fathers were masons. Figure it out. Coincidence theories are more paranoid than conspiracy theories when faced with evidence, and it's high time people start asking why.

Originally Posted by Senior

Well if ignorance bothers you so much than why not take a look at how the black spot shoe is made?
http://adbusters.org/metas/corpo/bla...ndtheshoe.html
You might be suprised to see it's not actually made at a sweat shop. Also what do you mean by sweat shops not bothering you just ignorance? Are you saying it's okay if there's coruption as long as people are aware of it? If companies that have the workers, the consumers, profit, and the environment as their priorities are not the solution than what is?

So unless you plan to have every peson in the world book 2 hour time slots at your house to hear your ideas than why not put something together for us to see?

I'm saying if people are aware of corruption then we will be able to sift through the assholes and the rightous. The majority of people are cloaked in ignorance and social conditioning and I feel many are living by image rather than showing their true nature. Perhaps I have been a bit hasty on adbusters blackspot, according to the info on their site, it seems like a viable alternative compared to what we have now, but it's not the solution. However, I've heard rumours from quite a few sources that Nike has bought out the company and this is just a PR campaign (this is not factual by any means, could just be rumours). Regardless of the outcome of me looking into this further, even under the standards presented by adbusters, I still consider the work done by those at the warehouse to be a lesser form of slavery in comparison to other sweatshops. Still slavery though.

And you're right, I should write a book or something, in the meantime, I'm cool with people coming over and letting evidence do talking instead of opinions.

Stay gold ponyboy.