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Al-Zarqawi was confirmed dead many months before the video took place (can't find the link at the moment) and here are some other inconsistencies: http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22...12790_Berg.html 
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I have always said to my friends and family ''make your own opinion, instead of making it out of others, and you will understand the true meaning of peoples negativity on war and political crime'' And thats what I disagree on...The day you will come with a true good explanable self opinion..and that I feel the only deep source of your opinion will be yours I will react differently, but at the moment it isn't the case so you'll have to do with it the same way I do with your selfish points.... Sorry I hate when it ends that way, But I think there is efforts to do both ways..''you'' included Last edited by maztraz; Dec 24, 04 at 03:03 PM.
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Use some common sense. There has never been an offensive war in the history of the world that was about bringing 'democracy' or other assorted bullshit. The war is about securing oil, 100% and the Iraqis would rather not have their country invaded and raped. Islamic 'Terrorism' does not help the Muslim world at all. Does it help to videotape executions, and at the same time call the US the Great Satan? Obviously they need to hire a new PR firm, because I don't think people are very receptive to their message. In a situation like this, you always have to ask who has the most to gain. Do the Muslims really have much to gain by way of public opinion by decapitating their prisoners? Does the US have much to gain by this action? Completely. It stirs the ire of the people, and makes them forget that the mission was a total lie.
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Dec 24, 04
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http://gprime.net/video.php/newsreportfromiraq <-- another message from iraq
ok ok, jokes aside.. I found that video very educational. The message is simple. Don't believe American/British Propaganda because there is more happening than we are being led to believe. How could we possibly know what the Iraqi's are thinking by watching the American news when everything is in the American perspective? The video transformed the Iraqi 'terrorists' into freedom fighters and the Americans into resource hungry invaders. For me, It's hard to see who the American's are fighting. How can you fight someone when you're in their home turf and you don't even know what they look like?? yeash. I'm sure the numerous terrorist groups in Iraq don't communicate amongst themselves or even agree with one another. They might not even be as organized as the American propaganda leads us to believe. There are so many 'terrorist' sects out there that they seem to be the same coalition to the public eye. But, they're probably all act as seperate entities but with the same beliefs and intentions. American, go away. I'd fight for Canada, even if a majority of you wouldn't. And i'd kick up so much dust that there could only be 1000 of us, but we'd make ourselves look like a force of 100,000 strong. Regardless if Iraq needs tuning in some areas, they probably don't want the Americans to step in to do it for them. It sounds like they feel that they are being robbed. And it even LOOKS that way. Even if the American news can convince us that there's a need for their support in Iraq, it's so blatantly obvious that they are not welcome. More people will fight back when they get over the fear of the American super power (i think). Doesn't it look like the Americans need help too now anyways? 1/2 of the country didn't vote for Bush to be their leader, but he still leads with his ass-backward politicians. The American army comprises of people who do and do not believe in the war, but those people are still being sent around the world to fight a war that even the Iraqi's say is not theirs to fight. I dunno. I'm sure there are some of us out there that feel the problem is South of us. Not in Iraq. We're just not doing anything about it because it's not our business and we fear them. btw Wum, learn from the Americans, you don't win a fight by starting one.
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As a quick example look at the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. you have the official storey according to the White House repeated by every major network, and newspaper in the US. Then you have many other aspects of the storey slowing getting out afterwards. The official version goes that it was an isolated incident and that torture is not sanctioned by the US. To back that up a few GI's get crucified and we all have a big orgasm over how great democracy is at stopping such atrocities from happening. Then it gets out that torture is the official policy of the US through the ACLU. http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=17216&c=206
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Dec 24, 04
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Oops. the whole point of my last message was that not everyone is willing to die or act up for their country or beliefs. That's fine. Life's precious. But the one's who are willing to fight, are willing to die for the freedom of their fellow people. What in the world is wrong with that?
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Personaly what there a doing in Iraq and the colotial benefit coming from it, I really don't believe in any thing benefic for Iraq, and a specialy when we still have no answers to what really really happened under the same BUSH administration during 2001... Its like trusting a a robber.. will he robbe again and abuse of our trusts?I wouldn't say no either do I say yes, But I wouldn't go on with any trusts with him..Simple as that, and that is exacly what I think it happening people are to much on the trusts and not enough on the belief.... Here is a other exemple of what is really making me worry.. ------------------------------------------------------------- New 'Liberation Video' Shows Fallujah Bombing Massacre http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/190704liberationvideo.htm Whether these individuals were protesters or 'insurgents, ' the way the guy laughingly exclaims 'oh dude!' gives an indication into the mindset of these people and the air of superiority and brutality held toward people that were supposed to have been 'liberated'. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As for the good cose, I havn't seen any positive impact on any society under BUSH administation....If we want to help those Iraqiens, fucking get your soldiers out of that country were you had no right to go and dip your fucking waropinion, and get started with feeding and not bombs, helping and not killing, builting and not destroying and so on....
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Dec 24, 04
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yes but what company in thiere right minds would come in and build stuff with thiere contractors and employees getting abducted or executed. The UN wont even send people in there due to the security situation. Hopfully when the Iraqis elect a government some of this will quiet down and reconstruction will take place..
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Dec 24, 04
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this whole war sounds too 1984 in the "oceania/eurasia" sense... I personally don't trust either side... both sides have their propaganda and both sides are going to tell the story in their favor... I don't trust either of them...
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Dec 24, 04
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I totally agree they both have thiere alterior motives in doing what they did and are doing
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what will become America and UK after that...??? A other profitable way to take national resource??? Iraqy peoples will have to fight for independency??? Will Globalization takes over once again??? And who will replace the 1 000 000's of deads, and sick peoples??? I don't know exactly what could happen, but america won't just leave Iraq with no reasons to leave, they want there profits???Am I rong, Isn't Other countries a exemple of American Empire and profits...??? Medias show what they want to show, How can we make a real opinion out of that????None...Isn't that strange? How can we really fight against threats when truth is hidden??? Anyway I don't know enough what is really happening over there, but America is certainly not there to do good!
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Dec 24, 04
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There's only one way the American people will accept the reinstatement of the draft. There would have to be "a massive casualty-producing event" on American soil. That's it.
There's simply no other way Bush can get the popular support needed. And, since we're able to figure that out, it's certain that White House planners-and-schemers have figured it out, too. This sets us up for some very ugly scenarios, including the possibility that we'll be seeing more terrorist "events" sometime in the near future. We're hearing stories almost daily about how "stretched" the military is. A recent army survey discovered that only half the soldiers are planning to re-enlist.(snip) Those who watched CBS, 60 Minutes last Sunday saw how the Defense Dept has even called a 55 year old woman back to duty to serve in Iraq. [and a 70year old retired doctor]. FULL TEXT OF ARTICLE: http://www.counterpunch.com/whitney12162004.html Another 9/11? Bad for the casualties and the Muslims, but once again good for the rulling elite who want to control the Middle East.
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Dec 24, 04
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Maztraz I agree that America isnt there for liberating reasons they want oil and Bush had a personal reason for it impress daddy most likley.
Now Wum really man I highly doubt the US will orchastrate a terrorist attack on its home soil. Even if there was the slightest hint of truth that they would mass riots would happen you would see huge defctions by army and police personell.
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I'll have to do a little digging but there are other historical precidents in the US and else where of nation states attacking themselves for political gains. The Nazi's faked the attack on their parliment building, blamed it on Poland and got the ball rolling.
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