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A Message From The Iraqi Resistance

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle7468.htm


Brings a tear to your eye doesn't it *sniff*

"Put an end to Zionism before it ends the world."

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Old Dec 23, 04
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funny thing is a large portion of this resistance isnt even being fought by Iraqis.. Im sure the general Iragi population would much rather have thiere shit rebuilt and have the US give them money for the next 100 years...
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The music was inspiring.
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funny thing is a large portion of this resistance isnt even being fought by Iraqis.. Im sure the general Iragi population would much rather have thiere shit rebuilt and have the US give them money for the next 100 years...
hahahahahahahah....Are you kiding????...I've never heard as much none sence....hahaha....Seriously....hahaha.. .Please stop .......how old are you by the way?....Man 84' huh.... man you'd seriously need a bigger boosts into maturity... cause what you just said there was like saying
''We will feed the cat, only if he agrees to give up his freedom, rights, revenu resource, cultural orientation, indepency and so on....''
And as for the fought I don't think that you would like your country to be attacked under globalization...

Think before saying silly things....
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easy now, if any interuser fights burst out im going to close this one without question.

okay? okay.
See now, this is a better approach. Good job myles I'm pround of your comprimise.
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The music was inspiring.
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Old Dec 24, 04
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hahahahahahahah....Are you kiding????...I've never heard as much none sence....hahaha....Seriously....hahaha.. .Please stop .......how old are you by the way?....Man 84' huh.... man you'd seriously need a bigger boosts into maturity... cause what you just said there was like saying
''We will feed the cat, only if he agrees to give up his freedom, rights, revenu resource, cultural orientation, indepency and so on....''
And as for the fought I don't think that you would like your country to be attacked under globalization...

Think before saying silly things....
i actually agree with him. if i was in a country where a brutal dictatorship was replaced by a pseudo dictatorship, i would consider that a step up. if that pseudo dictatorship can rebuild and put my country in a place of affluence *coughjapancough* insted of keeping shit distabilised making my life worse than before, i would support it.

i seriously doubt the iraqi culture will be replaced... it might adapt a bit, but come on... it's been around for a crap of a long time... culture never really dies.
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please be a moron somewhere else :)

Can you find another place to vent your frustrations about other sexes/cultures/races/religions? Taaaake your own advice.

You call other people morons? Fuck, you don't even sign your name at the end of some of the bullshit you post, that makes you a coward :)


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snyx: just out of curiosity... but how come you don't want people to discuss world events in here... it's in off-topic... i don't see anything wrong with it?
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Can you find another place to vent your frustrations about other sexes/cultures/races/religions? Taaaake your own advice.

You call other people morons? Fuck, you don't even sign your name at the end of some of the bullshit you post, that makes you a coward :)


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Isn't this the same place where people vent about being on their rag? Far be it from me to be a pretentious prick, but there are more important things going on in the world worth discussing. And your reading comprehension is terrible. At what point in my thread am I knocking "other sexes/cultures/races/religions"?

The Iraqis face incredible odds, and for them to fight the British/US powers deserves tremendous respect. At the moment we are at the precipice of Zionism engulfing the entire world. The Middle-Eastern region is one of the last strongholds where the people are not overtaken by consumerism, liberalism, a pornographic culture, or drowning in debt through the use of credit.

This is exactly why the Globalists want to destroy them. These are a people who will not be easily ruled. We must oppose the Iraqi war and educate the people.

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hahahahahahahah....Are you kiding????...I've never heard as much none sence....hahaha....Seriously....hahaha.. .Please stop .......how old are you by the way?....Man 84' huh.... man you'd seriously need a bigger boosts into maturity... cause what you just said there was like saying
''We will feed the cat, only if he agrees to give up his freedom, rights, revenu resource, cultural orientation, indepency and so on....''
And as for the fought I don't think that you would like your country to be attacked under globalization...

Think before saying silly things....

So are you going to deny that a large portion of the resistance are not jihad fighteres from other countries.. Also dont say the reporting is all one sided cause if it was Abu Gharib never would of been broken of the shooting of an unarmed Iragi. Maybe it is you who needs to grow up and stop trying to push your ideals and feelings on others.. Just a thougth just a thought..
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Comparing Japan to Iraq is apples and oranges. Japan surrendered to the US after having nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Japan was also a civil society with a strong sense of nationalism. This allowed for an actual surrender to occur. It was much less the occupation force, that was only around 100,000 strong, and more the reality that the US could drop a nuke on Tokyo. If one was to assume that the scenario's had any real similarities the US would need less than 40,000 troops to occupy Iraq.

Move forward to the first gulf war and Iraq's army was crushed by more than 500,000 Coalition Troops. The lesson learned was very clear to Saddam, nothing but a clear defeat would come of a conventionally fought war with the US. Further more after the first Gulf War Iraq was crippled by sanctions that for all purposes wiped out the entire middle class. For many reasons the US was largely blamed for having the sanctions maintained for so long. Some of it was propaganda by Saddam and some of it was the truth. Regardless of the truth though the US in the eyes of your average Iraqi were to blame.

Move forward to the pre-invasion of Gulf War part 2 and several planners in the US security apparatus placed the required occupation force at around 400,000+. This was because it was a near certainty that the Iraqi forces would not engage in a conventional war with vastly superior US forces as they had in the first Gulf War. The reasons that such a small invasion force was sent were purely political. To effectively sell the war to the American people it was necessary to paint a very rosy picture of what it would look like. The last thing Donald Rumsfeld wanted to invoke was an image of a "Black Hawk Down" or Vietnam type scenario. So it was said that the US would be received as liberators after a quick defeat of the Iraqi Army.

However it is now noted that the Iraqi insurgency actually began nearly as soon as the war started. March 22, 2003, the third day of the war in Iraq, an armored collum was driving through the southern town of Samawah and a a driver leaned out the window to wave at a group of civilians gather by a bridge, instead of waving back the group started firing RPG's and AK 47's.

At the beginning of the war US estimates put the total insurgency at around 5,000 loosely organized Saddam loyalists. A year later that was revised to 12,000-20,000 made up of Saddam loyalists, Iraqi nationalists, foreign Jihadists, militant Sunni and Shia Muslims. What is currently known is that the insurgency is composed of a wide variety of elements and broadly represents nearly all aspects of Iraqi society.

Beyond that possibly the most important factor that is contributing to the insurgency is unemployment. While a completely accurate number is not available estimates range from 40%-60% of the population. This is a virtually limitless pool of recruits for the insurgents.

In the short Iraq is going to play out as a very long and bloody conflict.
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So are you going to deny that a large portion of the resistance are not jihad fighteres from other countries.. Also dont say the reporting is all one sided cause if it was Abu Gharib never would of been broken of the shooting of an unarmed Iragi. Maybe it is you who needs to grow up and stop trying to push your ideals and feelings on others.. Just a thougth just a thought..
The insurgency is almost entirely Iraqis.

- London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies estimates roughly 1,000 foreign Islamic jihadists have joined the insurgency.

So that puts it around 5%-8% foreign fighters.

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"March 22, 2003, the third day of the war in Iraq, an armored collum was driving through the southern town of Samawah and a a driver leaned out the window to wave at a group of civilians gather by a bridge, instead of waving back the group started firing RPG's and AK 47's. "

i know it's wrong but i kinda find that funny.... lol.. but he wasn't expecting that...
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some of the stuff that has gone down though seems to be the work of people not from Iraq. Mainly the assasanation of thiere most revered Shite scholar. The beheadings of innocent men and women which is deffinatly not condoned in the koran. It seems that a lot of the values and tactics that this so called holy war is using seems to be taking from the wahibist values and beliefs. Yes it is true many many Iraqis are out of work and unemployed. Though I like to believe that if the security situation was better and more rebuilding could be done then we would all see that number drop fairly significantly..

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So are you going to deny that a large portion of the resistance are not jihad fighteres from other countries.. Also dont say the reporting is all one sided cause if it was Abu Gharib never would of been broken of the shooting of an unarmed Iragi. Maybe it is you who needs to grow up and stop trying to push your ideals and feelings on others.. Just a thougth just a thought..
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funny thing is a large portion of this resistance isnt even being fought by Iraqis.. Im sure the general Iragi population would much rather have thiere shit rebuilt and have the US give them money for the next 100 years...
You did not menchion ''jihad'' neither did you menchion ''Abu Gharib''...Ony Generalized Iraqiens and thats exacly what I answer to werds
I don't know the real cose of those peoples but I certainly wouldn't except a other fucking country to invade my country under globalization and kill my bothers and sisters...Sorry this is helping no one and it is the lie of pure industrial profit...

Check this link if you want to know what they fight for http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/iraqgenocide/Genocide2.html

And You havn't gave me any answers on my lasts topic(Drug programing posts) Why do I have the impression that we can't speak normaly with you?
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Old Dec 24, 04
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yet your the only one who seems to get all bent out of shape


Also I was talking about how you claim the reporting is all biased there and if it truly was so biased to the republican side of politics you never would of seen Abu Gharibe or the unarmed Iraqi surrendering being shot..

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that website was bull a lot of those pictures looked doctored and very very one sided. What about all the heroic fighters executing national guard recruits and so on???

Or do you just ignore that so you can bash on the states??
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Old Dec 24, 04
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yet your the only one who seems to get all bent out of shape


Also I was talking about how you claim the reporting is all biased there and if it truly was so biased to the republican side of politics you never would of seen Abu Gharibe or the unarmed Iraqi surrendering being shot..
I do not base that only into that video, but what I see of the Iraq war and how it is made....I would never agree to surrender under Threat, but would make things easyer if there was any political discutions how to help these countries...Was there any of this before attacking Iraq under false pretentions...?He not only made his own disicions but did it without the accord of UN!
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well why not go do somthin instead of complaining and bickering to me about it go out challenge congress call the papers see what they tell you. Why come here and tell me im wrong and an idiot when I just dont agree with a lot of your points..
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that website was bull a lot of those pictures looked doctored and very very one sided. What about all the heroic fighters executing national guard recruits and so on???

Or do you just ignore that so you can bash on the states??
I do not ignore but I do bash it onto the states, for what reasons???
Well get that to know, there is millions of reasons why I am against the actual american regime, carefull not americans but the once that control america and americans...
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