Reverse Discrimination

[Veni*C]

Originally Posted by Nev

I've gotten horrible service in sushi restaurants or chinese cuisine restaurants bc I'm white. I know that's what it is, bc if I come in with another white friend I get shit service, but if I come in with an asian friend it's all gravy. Pfft.

All in all, racism and discrimination (reverse or "conventional") really seems old fashioned.

that totally just happened to me tonight... we went for all you can eat sushi and waited like 20 mins b4 someone came around for our second round... i was really not impressed.... especially being in the service industry myself.. really fusterating... grrrrr....

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by mojo

this is kinda what i was getting at. i haave not checked a dictionary or anything but i dont think discrimination or racism has anything to do with a certain ethnicity, physical +/- or skin color.

Purely semantics. A middle finger is still an insult, even if you don't utter a word.

Look past its linguistic representation to the "beef" of the discussion.

[lou_belle]

awe...nev needs a two hour massage and pedicure*

[lou_belle]

sounds like racism is everyones favorite excuse..;P

[veN]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

awe...nev needs a two hour massage and pedicure*

Funny that, I actually hafta schedule that within the next week!

Birthday prezzie for my best friend and I can't let her go alone!

[mojo]

Originally Posted by BoBBy_T

Purely semantics. A middle finger is still an insult, even if you don't utter a word.

Look past its linguistic representation to the "beef" of the discussion.

yaya. i just like to argue.

i agree though, i think that it is becoming more prevalant. i have encountered it myself at restaurants or such. some dumb bitch at the subway near my house is wicked bad racist towards me whenever i am in there.

[esoter1c]

Seems to me there is a massive Religious Race War being called a war on terror that has been going on for centuries, Jews vs Arabs vs Christians, a triangle of h8, ignorance and pure DOGMA.

It doesn't matter how PC you are if you watch CNN you can see it all day long
A lot of the media is clearly run from a Judeo-Christian (American) point of view. If we were to really try and look at this issue it would span Centuries.

All I can offer is my opinion and that is Arabs and Islam are on the short end of the stick right now, 600,000 hate crimes have been commited against Arabs in America since 911, but the racial profiling continues unabated.

Maybe after WWIII , Armagaeddon, whatever it is thats happening we'll all wake up to the DOGMA the ILLUMINATTI have been controlling us with.

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by mojo

yaya. i just like to argue.

We have something in common. I get everyone in my tutorials all worked up becuase I constantly play the devil's advocate, even when I don't even believe what i'm argueing. I just like to rock the boat. hahaha

[wum]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

sounds like racism is everyones favorite excuse..;P

.....

[wum]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

Seems to me there is a massive Religious Race War being called a war on terror that has been going on for centuries, Jews vs Arabs vs Christians, a triangle of h8, ignorance and pure DOGMA.

It doesn't matter how PC you are if you watch CNN you can see it all day long
A lot of the media is clearly run from a Judeo-Christian (American) point of view. If we were to really try and look at this issue it would span Centuries.

All I can offer is my opinion and that is Arabs and Islam are on the short end of the stick right now, 600,000 hate crimes have been commited against Arabs in America since 911, but the racial profiling continues unabated.

Maybe after WWIII , Armagaeddon, whatever it is thats happening we'll all wake up to the DOGMA the ILLUMINATTI have been controlling us with.

Alex Jones was good tonight :)

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by ~Veni_C~

that totally just happened to me tonight... we went for all you can eat sushi and waited like 20 mins b4 someone came around for our second round... i was really not impressed.... especially being in the service industry myself.. really fusterating... grrrrr....

i get sushi-stonewalled EVERY FUKING TIME i goto these all you can eat places. it's not worth it. basically the name of the game is serve u as little as they can within the seating time limit. and being chinese don't help. actually being a chinese who don't speak chinese definately don't help cuz they treat u meaner i find.

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by stephen_c

and being chinese don't help. actually being a chinese who don't speak chinese definately don't help cuz they treat u meaner i find.

Wow!

This is a new one, so they give you shitty service because you are Canadian and don't speak chinese, when they are operating their business in Canada, just because they think you should speak chinese?

[sinnerman]

Supporters of affirmative action say that discrimination exists universally. Eg. More poor Americans are black (and therefore don't get private school, etc.) so it is believed that a university needs to take this into account. The white person may not be better qualified, even though his qualifications are better. Make sense?

[acidic_liquid]

Originally Posted by BoBBy_T

Wow!

This is a new one, so they give you shitty service because you are Canadian and don't speak chinese, when they are operating their business in Canada, just because they think you should speak chinese?

This happens to me. I'm 1/4th Chinese and some people think I'm full, and that I understand it. Sometimes Chinese people (usually old women) come up to me and ask me something, and when I try to tell them, in English, that I can't understand them, they give me dirty looks and start mumbling in Chinese.

My Chinese friend works at Ikea, and some old woman was asking her something in Chinese. She doesn't speak the language that well, but she can understand it. She replied in English, and the old woman started telling her son that was with her how my friend embarassed her and how she's crazy.

Hmmmm to expand on this, you could even apply the strict conservative East Indian parents stabbing/disowning/scolding/etc. their daughters because they're going out with some one not of the same caste. It happens a lot (says my East Indian friend).

I think we all just need to be a little more open minded.

[jono]

The problem with the whole "reverse racism" concept is that the racism you feel when getting shitty service at a sushi place is not even close to what those who are genuinely discriminated against face their entire lives. Yes, it is discrimination, but to go so far as to call that "racism" sorta cheapens the term. Some even go to the extent in saying that the mere definition of racism is that it is someone in power discriminating marginalized groups. Sure you may not be in a position of power at the sushi restaurant, but you have the option to go somewhere else. People who face genuine racism do not have the option to take their lives elsewhere. And don't say that they can move back to "their country", Canada is their country, white Western Europeons have just forceably taken power over North America and made the system according to how they want it to work ie. people believing that North America is white.

On the issue of affirmative action. The example of scholarships came up. Affirmative action is supposed to address the systemic issue of discrimination. Don't look at it as if its giving positions to those with less merit, think about how our society is actually preventing people of colour (or minorities or those discriminated against or any other pseudo PC term you wanna throw out there) from actually achieving as much as an upper class, white, straight, able bodied, male. Firstly, some would argue that the system of testing caters to those from upper class white families because the tests are culturally relative (I'm sure this will be disputed here). You could say that the tests are based on the standard that our education system is based on, but that argument is cyclical because the standard is once again based on the white standard. Secondly, people who would be eligable for affirmative action are at a finiancial disadvantage. They're parents, in general, would have been poorer than a comparable white family, because of systemic racism. Again, this can be disputed with the argument, what about kids from rich families who gain the benefits of affirmative action? This, I'm also not sure about. But the idea is to help out those people who, because of their race/bacground/ethnicity/ability/etc, are at a disadvantage because of the cycle of inferior wages that iour society has put them in.

Some of this argument has holes in it, and I know I don't know enough to defend every point that can be brought up. I'm just trying to give a different perspective on what has been a very one sided discussion (that evolved into a rant).

[djmarkpaul]

This scenario is definetly getting more popular, as ethnic and third world immigration in Canada is increasing it's numbers by other racial groups. I think the real challange will be if we can eliminate racism once and for all, without becoming one grey race.

I have also experienced the sushi shunning phenomenon, but I am so good with my chop sticks, that it doesn't happen to most of the decent places I frequent. It did once, I mean I was a regular (twice a week) but I saw service declining instead of improving, I even tipped well but it didn't matter, so I tipped nothing that day and haven't come back since. I say boycout the place that treats you like shit, it's the only way to go.

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by BoBBy_T

Wow!

This is a new one, so they give you shitty service because you are Canadian and don't speak chinese, when they are operating their business in Canada, just because they think you should speak chinese?

dumbass me.
yesterday's late nite post is this morning's "what the hell was i thinkin"
first of all my "not gettin my money's worth" at a sushi all u can eat has
lil to do w/ this thread's subject matter.
as for ur respond "this is a new one", well it's not and it has nothin
to do w/ speaking chinese in canada, not in the case i described.
it's one of those complicated interactions btw chinese ppl that would
take pages and a whole lot of effort to describe.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by mojo

how is that reverse?

it is still discrimination.

That's what I was going to say.

[FlorpIncarnate]

^ Agreed, calling it reverse assumes that discrimination only happens in one direction. It's a problem that the entire species suffers from.

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by FlorpIncarnate

^ Agreed, calling it reverse assumes that discrimination only happens in one direction. It's a problem that the entire species suffers from.

Let me say it again

Originally Posted by BoBBy_T

Purely semantics. A middle finger is still an insult, even if you don't utter a word.

Look past its linguistic representation to the "beef" of the discussion

"Reverse" is only a relative term used to get the point across. It allowed me to describe the situation I was thinking about in one word.

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by jono

The problem with the whole "reverse racism" concept is that the racism you feel when getting shitty service at a sushi place is not even close to what those who are genuinely discriminated against face their entire lives. Yes, it is discrimination, but to go so far as to call that "racism" sorta cheapens the term. Some even go to the extent in saying that the mere definition of racism is that it is someone in power discriminating marginalized groups. Sure you may not be in a position of power at the sushi restaurant, but you have the option to go somewhere else. People who face genuine racism do not have the option to take their lives elsewhere. And don't say that they can move back to "their country", Canada is their country, white Western Europeons have just forceably taken power over North America and made the system according to how they want it to work ie. people believing that North America is white.

On the issue of affirmative action. The example of scholarships came up. Affirmative action is supposed to address the systemic issue of discrimination. Don't look at it as if its giving positions to those with less merit, think about how our society is actually preventing people of colour (or minorities or those discriminated against or any other pseudo PC term you wanna throw out there) from actually achieving as much as an upper class, white, straight, able bodied, male. Firstly, some would argue that the system of testing caters to those from upper class white families because the tests are culturally relative (I'm sure this will be disputed here). You could say that the tests are based on the standard that our education system is based on, but that argument is cyclical because the standard is once again based on the white standard. Secondly, people who would be eligable for affirmative action are at a finiancial disadvantage. They're parents, in general, would have been poorer than a comparable white family, because of systemic racism. Again, this can be disputed with the argument, what about kids from rich families who gain the benefits of affirmative action? This, I'm also not sure about. But the idea is to help out those people who, because of their race/bacground/ethnicity/ability/etc, are at a disadvantage because of the cycle of inferior wages that iour society has put them in.

Some of this argument has holes in it, and I know I don't know enough to defend every point that can be brought up. I'm just trying to give a different perspective on what has been a very one sided discussion (that evolved into a rant).

I like your first point about the the group in power discriminating the marginalised group. Wicked awesome point in here.

You are right, it does kind of "cheapen" the word.

[wum]

Originally Posted by jono

And don't say that they can move back to "their country", Canada is their country, white Western Europeons have just forceably taken power over North America and made the system according to how they want it to work ie. people believing that North America is white.

people totally have the same misconception about England

[Haze]

I feel the effects of racism almost on a daily basis at work (which is fukking annoying as hell), BUT it is almost amusing to me now in a way, as from being exposed I have been learning some mandrin here and there, it is hilarious to see the look on someones face when they are calling you "stupid white boy" and you reply to them in their own tounge that you understand them :)

- ë

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by BoBBy_T

Let me say it again




"Reverse" is only a relative term used to get the point across. It allowed me to describe the situation I was thinking about in one word.

Yes, but "reverse" is the wrong word to use, period. Discrimination by definition doesn't indicate that it is only discrimination if it is towards a visible minority, a certain age group, sex, etc. Discrimination is reacting to two things differently.


Were you more looking to debate the apparent "equal opportunity" movement? (man 'equal opportunity' is a horrible term to use for what it actually is too.)

[stephen_c]

^
actually, i am confused too.
the examples bobby_t gave to start the thread,
has more to do w/ the employment equity act

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/E-5.401/50293.html

where it states:

Purpose of Act
2. The purpose of this Act is to achieve equality in the workplace so that no person shall be denied employment opportunities or benefits for reasons unrelated to ability and, in the fulfilment of that goal, to correct the conditions of disadvantage in employment experienced by women, aboriginal peoples, persons with disabilities and members of visible minorities by giving effect to the principle that employment equity means more than treating persons in the same way but also requires special measures and the accommodation of differences.