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Apr 03, 05
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abusive staff at plaza? [said plush]
So my husband and I went to Dave Seaman at Plaza. While we're sitting in one of the booths, one of the guys who works there is going around picking up beer bottles, he grabs my husbad's near empty water bottle and my husband tells him not to take it. The guy turns back, getting a bit close in to my husband's face and is all "well what are you gonna do with it?" like we're gonna do something illegal with it. Husband,"it's mine I wanna keep it", guy "well what are you gonna DO with it?".
This guy is totally giving off a vibe like he's trying to start something, especially getting in so close and in my husband's face about it. Husband, "I paid $3.50 for it, I wanna keep it", guy "well what are you gonna do with it?!", husband "fine whatever, you can have it if you get out of my face". So upon the words "get out of my face" the guy turns to one of the security guys and gets us thrown out telling him that my husband was "threatening" him. WTF!, then on the way out the guy runs up to my husband and goes "why don't you get the fuck out of MY face". WTF, you just ran up to us, and we were the ones sitting down, how can we get out of YOUR face. This guy was obviously up on coke or meth, as is often the case with bar and restaurant staff, normal people don't get confrontational over stuff like that. "get out of my face" is not a threat, it's a way of telling someone else to stop threatening you because it looks like your trying to start a fight. People in the electronic music scene are the last one's to start a fight and we don't appreciate being thrown out of a club because someone ELSE decides to be an asshole. Why do you even care wtf we do with a water bottle? We had to ask the other secuirty guys if there was gong to be a problem on the way out because the guy was still yelling at us, acting like HE's going to actually start a fight. If you want to party without being treated like a criminal by a coked up gorilla i'd suggest staying away from Plush, i don't see any reason that I should pay money to go back there. I don't like an abusive club experience. zöe / Eo.S. Last edited by Eo.S.; Apr 03, 05 at 02:18 PM. Reason: originally said @ plush [are plusha and plaza different places?] 
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Apr 03, 05
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This guy was obviously jaked up on something. (most likely coke or meth, and belive me, we have had enough crack head friends to know)
I've never seen anyone start something over a 3.50 water bottel. We where just sitting down, tired from dancing. I mean christ I come to a club to be entertained, not to have COKED UP GORILLAS up in my face over a water bottel. This is the last time I will spend 43.50 (me and my wife's cover and the water bottel) on a thurdsay night at you're stupid fucking club. I suggest you stay away from here unless you want a REALLY BAD club experence.
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Apr 03, 05
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^just cuz u had a bad experience doesnt mean others will. did u ever think that maybe the tone in ur voice was maybe a bit hostile when u said "fine whatever, you can have it if you get out of my face"? that's a likely possibility. Also, if it was a near empty bottle that was only 3.50 then why make a big deal out of it. geeez
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Apr 03, 05
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The tone of my voice is not the issue here, it was the tone of his. I mean this guy was DIRECTLY up in our face screaming at us as we where sitting down. I really just wanted him to get out of our face.
3.50 for a bottel of water cheap? If that's cheap for a bottel of water, what the fuck is expensive? You might not have an experence like this if you go there, but belive me, we where doing NOTHING wrong. So you just might.
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Apr 03, 05
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The issue here isn't the tonality of my husband's voice, it was the tonality of the other guy's voice. He was the one who got belligerent about it. As soon as my husband said he wanted to keep it, the guy got up in his face and took a confrontational attitude and tonality.
We couldn't just get away from him either because we were sitting down and he was leaning over into our space. The issue isn't a $3.50 bottle of water, it's that the guy acted like he was going to start a fight over it, that's why my husband eventually told him to just take it and go. We weren't willing to fight over it, he was, as evident by the guy explicitly coming up to confront my husband about it twice on the way out. Here's how it should have gone, guy grab's bottle. My husband says not to take it. Guy leaves it, end of story. That's how it would go with any normal, sane, sober human being. zöe / Eo.S.
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Apr 03, 05
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"dude, u sound like a pussy. too bad u had a bad experience, but u really gotta stop the bitching."
And you sound like a troll. //ignored We are simply trying to warn others that the Plush Club experence sucks because of there JACKED UP staff.
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Apr 03, 05
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[quote=Athen]"dude, u sound like a pussy. too bad u had a bad experience, but u really gotta stop the bitching."
And you sound like a troll. //ignored QUOTE] haha yea, i'm a troll... I've got over 2000 posts, tonnes of karma, and I'm friend to many fnkers. sure
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Apr 03, 05
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"dude, u sound like a pussy. too bad u had a bad experience, but u really gotta stop the bitching."
Isn't part of the reason forums like this exist, so that people can inform others of negative experiences, and to find out if this is the kind of experience we can expect in the future... "^ wow, did u join fnk JUST to make a stupid post about the staff at plush. Staff at most clubs are like that, it's just the way things are" No, we were already joined. And no staff at any other club has ever treated anyone we know like that. Getting thrown out of a club because someone who works there wants to start a fight is a legitimate reason to post about it. zöe / Eo.S. Last edited by Eo.S.; Apr 03, 05 at 03:48 AM.
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Apr 03, 05
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Um, well we are telling you other wise.
If you don't see getting kicked out of a club because some jaked up asshole doesn't like you as a problem, I don't know what is. We will never party at this place again. (if this was you're party I'm sorry for the negitive publicity, but it's not you're fault if the staff at a club are JERKS. Dave Seaman was fucking hot all night, thanks for bringing him out. We where just really really annoyed that we didn't get to see him for the rest of the night. What really pisses us off is that we had a production demo to give him, but couldn't because we got kicked out over something stupid.)
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Apr 03, 05
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lol... yah, sorry, but you say the rave sucked cause of this event. but i bet the rest of the night you were bitching about it... not moveing on and enjoying the eveninig....
there is no such thing as perfect harmony in crouds. accsept that this happens and dont dell on it, by next month youll forget it happend..... but do dell on whats important. the good things in your life deserve to be alotted time under though. this is how you strengthin the good time memories. :D "The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem." -Theodore Rubin
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Apr 03, 05
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You sound like a tool, why shouldn't he complain about the service?
At any rate, I was under the impression that it was held at the Plaza club as well, not plush. [quote=Jen-E-03] Quote:
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Apr 03, 05
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yeah it was probably Jim, he was probably going through World of Warcraft withdrawl. It can be a total bitch.
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Apr 03, 05
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Eo.S and Athen:
Sounds to me like you are totally rational humans. Sorry to hear about your experience. :( A shame that the Vancouver clubscene is all about that kind of bullshit - not much you can do about it, that's just how power-tripping cokehead fuckwads justify their $10/hour. It sucks utterly. Check out some of the alternate events, like the Burner parties and Soundproof events, sounds like they'd be totally more your speed... fuck the clubscene anyway. Come hang out with the cool kids, without the bullshit. Privmsg me.
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Apr 03, 05
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Are Plush and Plaza different?
We saw a bunch of posts about Plush @ Plaza, so we thought they where one and the same. This place did have a large sign that said Plaza. If they are two different places then I'm sorry for the mistake. Last edited by Athen; Apr 03, 05 at 06:24 AM.
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Apr 03, 05
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hahaha sounds like he was having a rough night.
shit happens like that all the time... every time i've lipped off a bouncer they've never hesitated to try to kick the shit outta me. you should of simply said that you weren;t finished with it.. "it's mine" can definetly come across as hostile.... bouncers always power trip and most of the time it's not even worth doing the whole "LET ME SEE THE MANAGER!!" thing.
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Apr 03, 05
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I was working that night for a short bit.
I left at about 12:30am, not noticing any problems at that time. As for most bar staff being jacked up on something, that is fucking laughable. First off, you can't even remember the name of the venue it was being held at. Secondly, you make false generalizations about the staff of the venue. If you really have an axe to grind with the staff, I'd suggest taking it up with the managment. The Plaza has one of the longest consistant barstaffs in the city. The reason why is because we have a solid core of individuals that any other venue would love to have; but we all stick together because it's an enjoyable place to work. Now I can't see why some "GORILLA" would be touching a bottle on your table, as it's not the bouncers job to do so, the only person bussing tables that night is a 5'6" greek kid. Now if you're threatened by that, you have some other issues you should be dealing with. What you forget is that the venue is a private one at that, the staff there reserves the right to have anyone removed from the venue they please. And honestly, I use that right a fair bit when I don't want to deal with over zealous shennanigans of someone nursing a three dollar bottle of water; who most likely didn't tip on top of that. When I'm at work I see one thing, and that one thing is green. Ever time you stiff a bartender on a drink, you're essentially having that bartender pay you to drink off of him. I've been at the plaza for over 4 years now, and I've never seen someone removed that didn't deserve it.
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Apr 03, 05
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Yes that guy. I thought he looked kinda Hispanic or Italian.
No I was not threatined by him, I just wanted him to get out of my face. I say he was jaked because he looked like it. I don't know anyone that trys to starts stuff over a water bottel sober. None of the other staff there was even unplesant while they where kicking us out. They just told us we had to leave. I only wanted to make sure they knew that HE was the one trying to start something. So that if he hit me I wouldn't have to end up defending myself and having 3 or 4 bouncers jump me because of it. (I'm not afraid of some 5'6 guy, but I am afraid of 3 or 4 half tun men he seems to command.) He also came up to us like twice as we where leaving talking shit to us. Still getting up in our faces. He was totally acting adolescent thoughout the intire affair. We totally got kicked out because someone was being an asshole to us. BTW I alway tip bartenders, execept on bottels of water, because they don't really have to do much. Kicking us out over this just means that HE is stiffing the bartenders out of the drinks I would have gotten in the future. And the promoters that throw partys there, as I will tell all my friends to not go there in the future. edit. O yea, we didn't know the name of the club because we just moved up here. I thank you're club for the warm welcome! Last edited by Athen; Apr 03, 05 at 07:08 AM.
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Apr 03, 05
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they don't sound very professional.
sometimes you can tell right away which bouncers are going to be a problem. it's usually guys in their early twenties who are so eager to flex some authority, that they're shadow boxing outside, just itching for a fight or confrontation. same thing happened to me in Newcastle when i started doing my C-walk :( those were guys tools.
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