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Old Jun 28, 05
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Same-sex legislation passed

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...sex050628.html


The Liberals' controversial same-sex marriage legislation has passed final reading in the House of Commons, sailing through with a vote of 158 for and 133 against.

Supported by most members of the Liberals, the Bloc Quebecois and the NDP, the legislation passed easily, making Canada only the third country in the world, after the Netherlands and Belgium, to officially recognize same-sex unions.

But the passage of Bill C-38, once again, came with a political price tag for the government. Joe Comuzzi, resigned from the cabinet so he could vote against the bill - an open rebuke of the government legislation.

Comuzzi was the minister responsible for Northern Ontario.

Although he was the only cabinet minister to break ranks with Prime Minister Paul Martin over the controversial plan to legalize the marriage of gays and lesbians, it highlighted the divisions within Canada and the within the Liberal party, pitting supporters of equality rights against those who are defending religious freedoms.

For Comuzzi, the decision to resign meant putting principles ahead of the privileges of cabinet. "In 2004, during the election, I promised faithfully to the people of Thunder Bay-Superior North, that I would defend the definition of marriage," he said, explaining his move.

The prime minister said he regretted the decision of a man he called an "old friend," but accepts it because the government must speak with one voice on same-sex marriage.

The "vote is about the Charter of Rights," said Martin. "We're a nation of minorities and in a nation of minorities you don't cherry-pick rights."

The government has moved over the last few months to appease critics both within Liberal ranks and among Canadians at large. Amendments were introduced to ensure no religious group or charitable organization is forced to accept same-sex marriage. But in spite of those amendments some groups remain unconvinced.

Same-sex marriage remains one of the most difficult issues ever to confront Canadian politicians. In large part passage of the bill is the reason the parliamentary session was extended for the first time in 17 years.

But while Tuesday night's vote closes off the debate in the Commons, the Conservatives insist there is no closure for Canadians who believe marriage should continue to be defined as the union of a man and a woman, to the exclusion of all others.

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper says if his party forms the next government, the law will be revisited.

Harper made the promise one day after suggesting the adoption of the law lacked legitimacy because it relied on the support of the separatist Bloc Quebecois. Harper said he believes Bloc MPs are the legitimate representatives of Quebec voters. But he argues most Canadians aren't buying it as a final decision since most federalist MPs are opposed to same-sex marriage.

Harper says a Conservative government would hold a free vote for all MPs on the matter, rather than forcing cabinet ministers to vote with the government.
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Old Jun 28, 05
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thank god that finally passed - now maybe we can stop having to hear the right-wingers dennounce it...
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Old Jun 28, 05
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Glad thats finally settled for the moment.....thougfh if the conservatives get into power next it could re-open the entire can-o-worms
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^the chances of the conservatives getting into power now are very slim. their main party issues were the budget and same-sex marriage...now that both of those are off the table i'm not really sure what they're going to 'stand for'

i'm glad to see this legislation finally passed. it's just a matter of time before other countries in the world follow the few countries that have legalized same-sex marriage. i'm glad that canada is near the front of the pack. this makes me proud to be a canadian.

i'm also glad that it means at least some sort of end to the debate. i'm tired of hearing about it. i'm glad that it's over with.
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Old Jun 28, 05
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if the conservatives get in to power and they seriously want to revisit this then they should forget about the house of commons and hold a referendum. they're big on referendums aren't they? then after the majority of canadians vote yes to same-sex marriage (as shown in poll after poll after poll) they should just shut up about it already.
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i dont understand how people consider a gay marriage any different from a real marriage, 2 people love each other, want to bang eahc other by law. simple as that?
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^the chances of the conservatives getting into power now are very slim. their main party issues were the budget and same-sex marriage...now that both of those are off the table i'm not really sure what they're going to 'stand for'

i'm glad to see this legislation finally passed. it's just a matter of time before other countries in the world follow the few countries that have legalized same-sex marriage. i'm glad that canada is near the front of the pack. this makes me proud to be a canadian.

i'm also glad that it means at least some sort of end to the debate. i'm tired of hearing about it. i'm glad that it's over with.
who wants to bet that the Americans are the last to pass the legislation......if they do at all
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Conservative Leader Stephen Harper says if his party forms the next government, the law will be revisited.

Harper made the promise one day after suggesting the adoption of the law lacked legitimacy because it relied on the support of the separatist Bloc Quebecois. Harper said he believes Bloc MPs are the legitimate representatives of Quebec voters. But he argues most Canadians aren't buying it as a final decision since most federalist MPs are opposed to same-sex marriage.
with hypocrasy and comments like this why havent more Canadians realized how big of a prick steven harper is, is he not speaking in reference to the same seperatists that he was all too willing to bring down the government with 6 weeks ago?

and if he gets elected he's going to revisit the law? what a joke, any amendment to this bill would be unconstitutional, so he wants to take rights away form people? sounds like something Bush or even hitler would do.
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sounds like something Bush or even hitler would do.
given enough power i'm sure there wouldn't be much difference between them all.
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I hate that guy harper, he has based his entire political carrer jumping from party to party just because he can't stand the other guys. You know he used to be a liberal in the early eighties? Fuck that guy.

It is so very wrong to base most of your platform on your personal opinions instead of what the voting public wants.
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given enough power i'm sure there wouldn't be much difference between them all.

nah, bush is arguably more powerfull then hitler was when he was elected.


i dont think bush would be gassing people even if he could.
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nah, bush is arguably more powerfull then hitler was when he was elected.

i dont think bush would be gassing people even if he could.
i didn't mean bush would go around gassing people, but him as a dictator would be very scary. although i'm not sure how far off from that he is now anyway.
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He's far too stupid to be a dictator. Hitler was a jerk but he was smart. Mussolini was an idiot and look at what happened to him.
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Old Jun 28, 05
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a marriage is something between 2 people i never understood how it has to involve anyone eles so what if it needs to be "legal"
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Old Jun 29, 05
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please see my profile. what do YOU look like?
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edit: i've got my pic somewhere on this site. but if i told you where i think that'd make me gay

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edit: i've got my pic somewhere on this site. but if i told you where i think that'd make me gay
but didn't you hear? it's okay now!
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i think it's in that post a random pic from 2004 thread. i honestly can't find it myself
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it's okay, i'll see a picture one day.
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Old Jun 29, 05
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i dont understand how people consider a gay marriage any different from a real marriage, 2 people love each other, want to bang eahc other by law. simple as that?
Many people didn´t like the idea of adopted kids having two fathers or two mothers...
That might be one reason they were against it
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