massive death toll in pakistan

[Akeel]

^
there's nothing good on tv and i'm bored!

[bungoshlung]

fuckin goldmember took over LOL fox.. i was not impressed

[b0ld]

Originally Posted by Akeel

^
there's nothing good on tv and i'm bored!

some show about the btk killer on tv right now...

[BongMan]

It is funny you guys bitch an moan about how we are having our liberties stripped by the corrupt governments and how they are imposing thiere views on us. But, every fucking time some one disagrees with you we are idiots, blind, stupid, or cattle. All, you are doing here is just trying to impose your views on us I don't agree with that I don't agree with everything you say but some of it yes. You come off incredibly hypocritical.

[fable]

argue on the merits of the actaull information im putting forth! Youre not backing up anything your saying. What im talking about is NEGETIVE, but how am i putting it forth in a negetive fashion? Am i citing anyone else points as long winded, or condesending? Am i speakn on tinfoil hats, or calling peoples point bullshit?

Its the intellectual equivalent of someone screaming out that something is on fire, and having someone else come up to them and calling them an asshole.

Simply put, youve managed to insult me personally, but have not been able to disprove anything that i have put forth. Youve managed to alienate, and sterotype, as well as label, and pass judgement, which is all fine and dandy, im a big boy, stick + stones and all that bullshit, but WHAT exactly did i say, was bullshit?

Perhaps ill take off my "tinfoil" hat if you take out your "earplugs"

If anyone is to blame for the "escalation" its you. Seems to me you can't take a small jab about the verbal diarrhea you spew, and you're the one leaving your phone # and wanting to meet in person - i'm flattered but you're not that high on my priority list. Although I can make the time.

What is that!?! Verbal diarrhea? which point did you disagree with? what do you disbeleive? As for meeting you? i never stated that mang, i just stated that where i come from, if someone is going to attack you personally, they do it in person, and the escalation was on the part of you doing this.

Second, i'm not trying to "quash your words" go ahead and preach all you want, but be prepared to take the criticism of your long-winded, condescending, hippy bullshit.

Once again, personal, vague attack, but no debate on any specific point.

can call you on it as b/s as much as I want - are you saying i cant? Seems to me thats what your "essay" is about. I don't presume to impose my views on others just because I think they are justified.

Man this is getting seriously warped. How am i imposing any of my views on anyone else? By writing them down on a public forum. I know in general, Canada has it a lot easier than other countries, but calling my prose being shared on a board IMPOSING?

this is a rave message board buddy, i dont come here for deep political debate, i come here to entertain both myself and others.

More power to ya mang, but whats that have to do with me? How am i infringing upon your right to entertain and be entertained? Or is it responding to blatant disses to strangers described as entertainment? Do you get off on this?

At the end of the day, the only thing you have succeeded in doing, is throw insults around, and judgments. You have not highlighted one point that i wrote to date. What me + maple were doing earlier, thats debate, i wasnt calling him a hippy, i wasnt calling him condesending, i argued on the points themselves, he has the right to write in response, and realistically he has the right to call me out, but im not going to stand by, just like our ongoing squabble. All your doing is throwing out playground disses, not a relevent, or specific rebutalls.

Bla bla bla, the more we talk, the more i digress. You do whatever you feel like, I trully aint out to scrap, but if you come knocking, ill have a place set for you at the dinner table - but just know, im defending a right to evoke discussion, youll be fighting because someone called you a shit talking bitch....AFTER you just happened to be talking shit. ie> diarreah, condesending, bullshit, long winded, etc etc.

there is only one true reason behind apathy, and thats ignorance.

peace+'spect
shak

[BongMan]

Demolition man is on right now

[fable]

Originally Posted by BongMan

It is funny you guys bitch an moan about how we are having our liberties stripped by the corrupt governments and how they are imposing thiere views on us. But, every fucking time some one disagrees with you we are idiots, blind, stupid, or cattle. All, you are doing here is just trying to impose your views on us I don't agree with that I don't agree with everything you say but some of it yes. You come off incredibly hypocritical.

cattle?

i never called anyone an idiot, or stupid, but if your going to debate, debate on the points, not on a personal level. Imposing? grow the fuck up man, im just writing, i aint got a gun to your head. And if you dont want to debate, then dont. Whos bitching? Whos moaning? You got the new fnk with sound? And where is the connection between stating our government is corrupt, and not agreeing with members of the general populace? What do they have to do with eachother? Except for the fact, that the further we get into shit slinggn the further we get away from debate.

Hypocritical? How so? Im only negetively (i know its still shitty) to other peoples name calling, not the actaul points they are making. Maple outright, thinks completely opposite from me, but he answered my questions, attempted to qualify his statements, and DEBATED.

So do me a favour, stop being so CATTLE!

Debate me on ONE of views i mentioned much earlier, just one, and ill entertain anything you have to say, but if ya resort to name calling, then all bets are off, thats all that i was trying to say.

peace+'spect
shak

[Akeel]

Originally Posted by fable

argue on the merits of the actaull information im putting forth! Youre not backing up anything your saying. What im talking about is NEGETIVE, but how am i putting it forth in a negetive fashion? Am i citing anyone else points as long winded, or condesending? Am i speakn on tinfoil hats, or calling peoples point bullshit?

Its the intellectual equivalent of someone screaming out that something is on fire, and having someone else come up to them and calling them an asshole.

Simply put, youve managed to insult me personally, but have not been able to disprove anything that i have put forth. Youve managed to alienate, and sterotype, as well as label, and pass judgement, which is all fine and dandy, im a big boy, stick + stones and all that bullshit, but WHAT exactly did i say, was bullshit?

Perhaps ill take off my "tinfoil" hat if you take out your "earplugs"



What is that!?! Verbal diarrhea? which point did you disagree with? what do you disbeleive? As for meeting you? i never stated that mang, i just stated that where i come from, if someone is going to attack you personally, they do it in person, and the escalation was on the part of you doing this.



Once again, personal, vague attack, but no debate on any specific point.



Man this is getting seriously warped. How am i imposing any of my views on anyone else? By writing them down on a public forum. I know in general, Canada has it a lot easier than other countries, but calling my prose being shared on a board IMPOSING?



More power to ya mang, but whats that have to do with me? How am i infringing upon your right to entertain and be entertained? Or is it responding to blatant disses to strangers described as entertainment? Do you get off on this?

At the end of the day, the only thing you have succeeded in doing, is throw insults around, and judgments. You have not highlighted one point that i wrote to date. What me + maple were doing earlier, thats debate, i wasnt calling him a hippy, i wasnt calling him condesending, i argued on the points themselves, he has the right to write in response, and realistically he has the right to call me out, but im not going to stand by, just like our ongoing squabble. All your doing is throwing out playground disses, not a relevent, or specific rebutalls.

Bla bla bla, the more we talk, the more i digress. You do whatever you feel like, I trully aint out to scrap, but if you come knocking, ill have a place set for you at the dinner table - but just know, im defending a right to evoke discussion, youll be fighting because someone called you a shit talking bitch....AFTER you just happened to be talking shit. ie> diarreah, condesending, bullshit, long winded, etc etc.

there is only one true reason behind apathy, and thats ignorance.

peace+'spect
shak

OK let me spell it out for you...it was a joke, i bet you don't have a lot of friends being such a spaz.

Originally Posted by BongMan

Demolition man is on right now

first useful post in this entire thread, channel?

[Akeel]

Originally Posted by fable

cattle?

i never called anyone an idiot, or stupid, but if your going to debate, debate on the points, not on a personal level. Imposing? grow the fuck up man, im just writing, i aint got a gun to your head. And if you dont want to debate, then dont. Whos bitching? Whos moaning? You got the new fnk with sound? And where is the connection between stating our government is corrupt, and not agreeing with members of the general populace? What do they have to do with eachother? Except for the fact, that the further we get into shit slinggn the further we get away from debate.

Hypocritical? How so? Im only negetively (i know its still shitty) to other peoples name calling, not the actaul points they are making. Maple outright, thinks completely opposite from me, but he answered my questions, attempted to qualify his statements, and DEBATED.

So do me a favour, stop being so CATTLE!

Debate me on ONE of views i mentioned much earlier, just one, and ill entertain anything you have to say, but if ya resort to name calling, then all bets are off, thats all that i was trying to say.

peace+'spect
shak

i choose not to debate. that simple. Maybe you should think about the presentation of your argument/views? Thats why I think you come off as condescending...because of your long-winded posts, which really just say "Hey everyone! something bad is happening! its the governments fault! open your mind! see the corruption! simplify! maaaaaaaaan!"

It's the presentation of your arguments which really bother me...example...lets imagine a nice steak dinner, all the trimmings, potatos, mushrooms, maybe a slice of cheese cake...sounds good don't it? mmm mmm....now put that same dinner on a garbage can lid.

Would you still eat it?

[fable]

you pulled the "you have no friends card!" hahaha, bro are you locked in 92'? Were getting into some elementary school yard shit now. Dont forget your lunch box, and big wheels.

I aint going assume your dishing friendly banter when someone resorts to name calling, as a form of debate on matters that are NO joke. Unless of course its far too comfortable in that bubble your living in, of in which case, say hi to your friend apathy and naivety for me, tell em i think its high time for them to get off yo dick.

[Hot Karl]

LOL bongman's lucky fable didn't send over any nude pics with his name, # and address.

for the record. WHO CARES. ALLAH is punishing them for jihading or something. to even out the whole god punishing america with katrina.

sure am glad buddha isn't all about punishing.

edit: markpaul wants his act back

[Akeel]

^^ (for fable dude)
apathetic...no - i have relatives in kashmir and pakistan, the first thing I was doing was getting on the phone and making sure there ok.

naivety? typical response from someone with your views...obviously since I dont want to debate I must be oblivious and uneducated in the goings on of the world!!

please read my post again over, i'm sure you have a dictionary for any of the difficult words since you seem to use it for everyone of your posts.

Keep fighting the good war!

[James]

Oh Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap!!!

[fable]

Originally Posted by Akeel

^^ (for fable dude)

apathetic...no - i have relatives in kashmir and pakistan, the first thing I was doing was getting on the phone and making sure there ok.

naivety? typical response from someone with your views...obviously since I dont want to debate I must be oblivious and uneducated in the goings on of the world!!

please read my post again over, i'm sure you have a dictionary for any of the difficult words since you seem to use it for everyone of your posts.

Keep fighting the good war!

hold up! for the record i meant no disrespect in regards to your care and concern for friends, family and countrymen abroad!!! seriously, ive it came of that way - all sincere apologies, really i mean it.

Im talking about the naivety about thinking that we arent in a time, where our goals within canada are not desperate.

Im talking about the apathy that is directed towards anyone who speaks their mind (im truly NOT just a lost boy crying wolf)

and just like you have the ability to make a statement about "someone with my views thinks...." i can say the same back to you, but that avails us nothing, except to further divide and fragment a community that has the power and resources to make significant change, once we can orgainize our ever growing movement. Please do not prescribe, to knowing "what im like" and i wont do the same to you (anymore-if i have already)

And i didnt assume you were uneducated, or oblivious when you didnt want to debate, but because YOU DID RESPOND, and with disses INSTEAD OF DEBATE. Actaully thats partly untrue, i never thought you were uneducated or oblivious, i just thought you were being an asshole on purpose. We dont know eachother, so why would i assume a friendly jab? Especially because the topic was about such serious crazyness.

I think its high time we end this for now (you can wrap things up if youd like, you ARE indeed VERY quick with the response)

nonetheless, you may think the following is hollow and not give a fuck, - but i WILL include your family and friends in pakistan and kashmir in my prayers, alongside friends and family in my world that are currently spread across nations savegly affected by the earthquakes. Thats the very least we can do, but wont be ALL we can do. If you know of any relief organizations sprouting up in the next day that could use support, then lets put any tension aside, and call me, MAWO and myself will be meeting in a few days, and lending a hand will be a priority in the agenda for the meeting.

And belive when i say, its not all about the "war on war" i also eat,sleep and breathe dnb, graffiti, graphic design, and a cold wolfsteiner-.5% for me:(

once again, i was in way, trying to question your concern about the victims of the quake, and apologise if that came across that way

peace+'spect

fable

[Akeel]

^
peace - for the record you must be the most globally conscious person on the internet...i wouldnt be surprised at all if you and SPK are buddies - he's full of hippy bullshit too at times ;)

[fable]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

LOL bongman's lucky fable didn't send over any nude pics with his name, # and address.

which ones? the one with your mother, or the ones with his?

for the record. WHO CARES. ALLAH is punishing them for jihading or something. to even out the whole god punishing america with katrina.

part of me wants to rage, but akeel drained me of all my righteous bullshit, so ill just add, i seriouslly would think the same think, if i didnt already believe god to be an invalent, do busy trying not shit himself, to worry about us humans.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Akeel

^
peace - for the record you must be the most globally conscious person on the internet...i wouldnt be surprised at all if you and SPK are buddies - he's full of hippy bullshit too at times ;)

i dont know spk personally but weve had some good chats via nwdnb, and he is a highly intellegent mofo.

i would be lying if i said, scathingly sharp mofos like yourself didnt force me to question my belief system on a daily basis, that and givn me a complex:)

[FlorpIncarnate]

Originally Posted by fable

I wasnt aware of any Canadians being forced to hand over money to foreign aid!? Where is this going on? Can you lead me to this information?

peace+'spect
fable

Taxes = Money gained by government use of force against citizens, except in the particular set of those citizens who both a) voted for the current administration AND b) agree with every expendature of that money.

Some funds aquired by the government through taxes are used for foreign aid.

Thus a large percentage of the population of taxpayers "is being forced to hand over money to foreign aid".

In my experience this particular topic spawns pages of argument/counter-argument banter which eventually spirals down past the specific issues and exposes the true disagreement, which is really that of the individual-rights advocates (the capitalists) against the group-rights advocates (the socialists) and everybody else who doesn't understand their own philosophies strewn somewhere between the two poles. Let's just call a truce here and agree to disagree ;)

Oh, and cute bunny... although it's kind of a morbid context to be posting a cute bunny in :P

PS Blah @ personal arguments in this thread

[FlorpIncarnate]

Oh, and it's really sad to hear about multitudes of children trapped in collapsed schools. It strikes a note with me because my Dad specializes in building and upgrading schools with earthquake-proofing; I wonder if pakistan will build proper structures for their children this time around? I guess probably not... and so a dozen years from now there'll be another huge earthquake and another generation of schoolchildren will be buried alive. Meanwhile the despots in power spend what little hard currency they have to work with on weapons to secure their own power. It goes to show that even though democracy may not be perfect, it's a hell of a lot better than a despotism at providing a good quality of life.

Sad stuff.

[fable]

Ahh! i see what angle your coming from florp. But one could argue that there is a significant sized group of canadian citizens that would rather see their tax dollars go towards LEGITIMATE foreign aid vs. towards a military budget that secures a govenment agenda, that has little to no pay off for such average working class citizens.

On a side note, im currently reading a book "ghost wars" investigating the governmental manouvering on the parts of the US, Afghanistan, the Soviet Union, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan starting in the mid seventies. And i tell you, from this account, and previous intel, the Pakastani government during those times along side the ISI, could most definetly give the US government a ruin for there money with covert exploitation of the general populace of the nation. Although i will admit freely that the nation of Pakistan itself was in a very precarious position.

peace+'spect
fable

[BongMan]

Sorry didn't mean you have in particular but the other one Esoteric or whatever his leet speak name is. Took it out on you is all.

[mugsy]

earthquakes happen in that area frequently due to its geographical standings - basic grade 12 geography.
so really sending foriegn aide to help them in earthquake proofing their buildings would be an investment that maybe alot of canadian citizens would agree to. i'd like to think on a whole, we are pretty compassionate. and financailly, if it were even remotely successful, foreign aide - financailly - may not be as neccessary when the next earthquake happens.

p.s. my friend contacted her parents. thumbs up for my story.

[fable]

this is all i got thus far, sorry for the fuct up formatting-

Originally Posted by mugsy

question:
has anybody heard anything about chandigarh? .

Six medical teams sent to quake-hit areas
Tribune News Service

Chandigarh, October 9
Western Command has sent six medical teams, comprising about 35 doctors, surgeons and para-medical staff to join the relief and rescue operations underway in Jammu and Kashmir, which was rocked by a severe earthquake yesterday.

Each medical team has two doctors along with para-medical staff. Sources at the Chandigarh Air Force Station said an An-32 was launched in the morning to ferry the medics along with medical supplies and equipment. Besides, 12 Wing here had placed two IL-76 heavy-lift aircraft and six AN-32 aircraft on standby to airlift men and material as and when called upon to do so.

The IAF also flew an IL-76 from Kanpur to Srinagar today and the aircraft was expected to touchdown at Chandigarh late in the evening today, sources added. Army sources said another six medical teams from Western Command were also on the standby. These would be sent there if the need for more medical personnel was required.

Western Command has also placed two field companies of engineers, along with its equipment, on the alert. Officers at Headquarters Western Command said if Northern Command was able to manage the crisis within its existing resources, there would be no requirement for them to send manpower from here.

Army units already based in Jammu and Kashmir, along with paramilitary personnel are engaged in round-the-clock rescue and relief operations. Army and Air Force helicopters from various airbases are also deployed

Earthquake briefly disrupts Congress Conclave
Saturday, October 8 2005 12:21 Hrs (IST) - World Time - http://rss.indiainfo.com/http://rss.indiainfo.com/



Chandigarh: The deliberations at the Congress Chief Ministers Conclave being attended by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Party President Sonia Gandhi were disrupted briefly today (Oct 8, 2005) when an earthquake shook Chandigarh and other parts of the country this morning.

The strong tremors erupted at about 9.22 am, minutes after the Prime Minister concluded his half an hour address to the meet.

The Prime Minister, Gandhi, 15 Chief Ministers, several Union Ministers and senior party leader were advised to move out of the venue to the lawns in the Punjab Bhawan, Congress sources said adding that the deliberations, which continued the second day today, resumed when the tremors stopped after about three minutes.

Home Minister Shivraj Patil immediately contacted officials of his ministry to ascertain the details.

In the adjoining Haryana Niwas, where the Media Center has been set up, a large number of journalists of the print and electronic media and officials rushed out .

Fans and chandeliers shook violently prompting the media persons and officials rushed down the stairs into the open space


Punjab sends relief material to quake affected valley

Chandigarh: Punjab Chief Minister Amarinder Singh today spoke to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the possible assistance from Punjab in aid to the quake victims in Jammu and Kashmir.

Stating this here today, a Punjab government spokesman said the state was rushing five truck loads of relief material like blankets tarpaulin, tents and other assential items to the affected areas in J and K.

The Punjab Chief Minister also spoke to the J and K Army Commanding-in Chief (GOC) to send the required relief material, the spokesman added.

Earthquake claims two lives in Punjab

Chandigarh: Two people, including a four-year-old child, were killed in two separate incidents of wall collapse in a border district of Punjab following an earthquake that rocked north India Saturday.

Gurdaspur Deputy Commissioner V.P. Singh said the child, Arjun Singh, died at Shahpur Jajjan village in the border area of Dera Baba Nanak while Arjan Jeena was killed in Batala town.

Damage to is also reported from others parts of Punjab. In the Sikh holy city of Amritsar, at least half a dozen properties were damaged.

In Jalandhar and Ludhiana cities also, damage to property was reported but no one was injured.

The Punjab government announced a grant of Rs.50,000 each from the chief minister's relief fund to families of each of those killed by the quake, financial commissioner (revenue) Rupan Deol Bajaj said.

All deputy commissioners have been asked to file reports of casualties and property damage in their area to the state government.

Earth quake claims three lives in Punjab
Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 09:39 AM GMT+5:30

http://www.punjabnewsline.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=in dex&catid=&topic=
Chandigarh: The earthquake that hit border state of Punjab has claimed at least three lives beside huge loss of property in districts of Amritsar and Gurdaspur bordering Paksitan.According to official sources, two causalities were reported from Gurdaspur district. One four year old child Arjun...
Punjab Newsline Network

[mugsy]

^word. thanks.

i just woke up to her email. an old building across the street from her crumbled, but herself and everyone she has met in chandigarh were fine. and her email was gushing moreso about the culture and her experiences rather then the moment or being scared.

i wonder if superstars are gonna organize any benefit concerts! (sarcasm...)

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by fable

We currently need an army to carry out an imperialistic agenda, so if you support a military that by there very nature follow governmental orders to a tee, then you in esscence support government action, imperialstic governmental agendas that use foreign aid as a tool to infeltrate various third word nations, only to exact a bill, that included previously state owned economic sectors.

peace+'spect
fable

1. The Military was created as a Tool of the State in the first place. So by saying that the Army is not in control of the people, you're just stating the obvious.

Hey, the more powerful Canada is on the Global Political Stage now, means we'll be in better position when the United States collapses. Hell, the Turks and Caicos Islands have APPLIED TO CANADA TO BE A COLONY! No shit of a lie. I say go for it, the economic benefits would be great. So yeah, I guess you could say I do agree with the last bit. Except for the Foreign Aid, that I personally believe should go to Nations that would utilize it the way it was meant and efficiently so, not to the coffers of Warlords.