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| Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe |
   
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0 | 0% |
| Conservative leader Stephen Harper |
  
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11 | 12.64% |
| Liberal leader Paul Martin |
  
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26 | 29.89% |
| NDP leader Jack Layton |
  
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29 | 33.33% |
| Miguel Figueroa (Communist Party of Canada) |
  
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1 | 1.15% |
| Connie Fogal (Canadian Action Party) |
  
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| Ron Gray (Christian Heritage Party) |
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0 | 0% |
| Jim Harris (Green Party of Canada) |
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3 | 3.45% |
| Blair Longley (Marijuana Party) |
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1 | 1.15% |
| Sandra L. Smith (Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada) |
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1 | 1.15% |
| I am not going to vote. |
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9 | 10.34% |
| I am unsure who I am going to vote for yet. |
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6 | 6.90% |
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Jan 10, 06
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Jan 11, 06
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so many leftists on this board, it makes sense though, considering the average age.
My memory is pretty hazy, however I believe it was William Blake(correct me if I'm wrong) who said 'He who is not a socialist at 20 is a fool, He who is still a socialist at 40 is twice the fool'
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Jan 11, 06
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They completely alienate people who are not familiar with leftist leaning politics, and believe there needs to be a bujouix democratic revolution - which still confounds me in this era of neo-liberalist economic models?? If one would like to still stay in the leftist arena, the NDP would be a better choice, simply because there support is still primariley a large working class, who will eventually realize that the NDP has created such beauracracy, that consistently sells them down the river, that heads will soon roll. I personally think we will have the easiest time deconstructing the NDP and formulating a party that will represent a unified left (oh when the day comes!!!) that will have the ability to dismantle our current form of government.
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Jan 11, 06
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Perhaps YOU CAN SHARE william blakes rationale for this statement with everyone. Since YOU DECIDED it would be relevent to share.
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Jan 11, 06
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IF you vote conservative, our fellow canadians will be sent to war.
the most important person to me will be sent to war. Maybe even some of us on this very board will be sent over there eventually. who in their right mind could possibley vote for someone who will make that happen? anyways..i am voting for green party or NDP.. not 100% yet
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Jan 11, 06
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I'm voting for Liberals because Hedy Fry seems better fit to represent my riding in parliment then Mr. Bipolar Svend Robinson. Although i normally support NDP policy it looks like the Liberals are gonna take the Vancouver Centre riding and at least it's one more seat away from those Conservatives.
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Jan 11, 06
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Im so frustrated with politics. Thing is I beleive a little in all parties. If I could have it my way it would be 40% Liberal, 30% NDP, 20% Conservitive, 5% Green and the rest to whatever. But instead I have to choose just one... and only in my riding.
Then theres stratigic voting which I dont think is right. However the NDP and Green have no chance at all in my area. I might have to vote for the liberals (Don Bell) who use to be a great mayor of North Vancouver. The liberals are the only party that have beaten the concervatives who are usualy a favorite in my area. Democracy doesnt really work does it!?! Last edited by Ree Fresh; Jan 11, 06 at 02:57 AM.
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Jan 11, 06
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doubting me, fable? You know damn well I was fishing for you. I've been bored as of late.
Simply, as children enter the world of adulthood, generally they become more and more aware of the short comings of humanity and society in general. The realization of these shortcomings, unless said young adult is A. uneducated or B. lacks any sense of a conciense, generally motivates said young adult to seek ways to change the world, believing that change is a possibility. Socialism seems like a great idea at the time, which is why so many youths prescribe to socialist beliefs. As young adults begin to mature and age, they generally lose hope, or interest, or both; realizing that their efforts are completely in vain. The now mature adult begins a quest for capitalism and monetary wealth, gradually growing more and more conservative, in the hopes that they can provide a safe and/or oppurtunistic atmosphere for their friends and family(generaly offspring). Meaning that if at age 40 one is still socialist, they are twice the fool because they have yet to realize they can not help the entire world, and therefore are not focused on helping those closest to them.
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Jan 11, 06
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Im pretty sure i asked for Williams Blakes reasoning behind the statement not yours.
-Which of course is overly simplified, generalized and condesending at best. The subsequent "failure" of socialism is anything but. It is a process that is still continuing, and evolving. It goes without saying that even though history may repeat itself, we are alive in times that are significantly a "first." Western economies are at a point of significant dissaray (although surface level accounts attempt to paint an alternate picture) We live in times of agressive right wings politics bordering on the fascist, and neo-liberal economic practices that have taken the democratic capitalist model into territories so one minded, and altimatley cannibalistic, that it makes the reign of Ghengis Khan look like the power wielded by a first grade hallway monitor. What you are essentially describing, is in no way akin to an evolutionary state, or enlightenment, it is DEMORALIZATION plain and simple. The language you employ attempts to state otherwise, but if one reads between the lines, and studies the current state of affairs, one understands that using this phenomenon as a base for intelligent political direction taking is one that admits defeat, and the idea that we are all alone, and that we should accept our collective fates. You can prescribe to whatever defeatist, uncle tom, self serving, role you want to, but if you think another generation of new socialists will flock to an older genrations prescribtion of what will make them happy, your sadly wrong. We live in times of governmental desperation, environmental failures at a global scale, and war+occupation likes its going out of style. This tells me, that although it will be infintetly painful for some, people will start realizing the importance of unity, the importance of a collective of gathered citizens, and taking a focussed, diciplined approach to studying and enacting new forms of self rule/production/education and distribution, soley because of the frustration, anger and perhaps even hoplelessness which you essentially described. We are studying, organizing, educating, formulating and taking on more creativity in terms of exploration of new political models, like never before. We sadly, but luckily, have Russia to study in terms of a classic revolution, we have Cuba to study on a guerilla revolution, Venezuella shaping up to have a beujoix democratic revolution, and Bolivia and Mexico shaping up to have indegenous led revolutions that will shake the grounds across the world. No, alex, your lying to yourself, your rhetoric, lazyness, and defeatist "realist" attitude is born from being demoralized, not enlightened. In small defeats, real survivors, and real revoltionaries are galvanized to unite with fellow humans in struggle, and take the fight even further. Since we are both philosophizing on what the state of humans is at, ill give you my evaluation. I see communities of the poor, working, immigrant, indegenous and refugees, being spearheaded into action by other nations who are fighting similiar battles. I think the single positve product of the globalized era, is that international revolutionary movements can communicate, learn from one another, and support one another. Look at what is happeing in Latin America! Look at what is happening in Iraq - which birthed one of the largest, strongest, and longest lasting resistance movements in history, inspite of the might and power of the US war machine! Sooner or later, when the fundemetalist leaders of various factions pull their kaffeahs off there eyes, they will unite and become far much stronger. Look at the model in India. Although much of the monetary side of things is still essentially British, there is still a strong, self determined culture that is prepetuating advancement in terms of self rule, and self production means. And people in North America are slowly becoming aware of such movements, and aware of the fact that these are the people who we shall allign ourselves with, not the so called "pillars" of any sort of "new capitalist utopia" You dont give humanity much credit, but then again, you dont write as someone who has much of it themselves
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Jan 11, 06
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Your lack of beleif in the contemporary parties in Canada isnt an isolated thing. There are many people who join you in their sentiment. Some are resigned to accept what reality sets there way - they may tell you otherwise, they may tell you "life is about, enjoying yourself, and why fight" but remember this is born out of a feeling of helplessness and hopelessness. But out of great desperation comes the opportunity for great change. Sharpen your political tools, study hard, formulate plans in your head and on paper, dont be steared away from the "old guard" of political science, who are for the most part old, bitter and tired, but unwilling to accept that the fight is only just restarting. Empower yourself, and the ones around you, the ones you care and love for, but in this empowering process, stear away from oppressing others, and sooner or later all of us will meet, and unite. As a young educated women, you role and importance, is great, as a leader, a mentor, a role model, and someone to evoke change. Up for it?
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Jan 11, 06
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fable, do you believe in your own views so much, that you cannot grasp the concept that I possibily do not care to help those I have no relationship with, and simply strive to help myself and those I care for, regardless of others strife? This world is survival of the fittest, and I truly believe it is naive of you, and completely and utterly futile, to devote your life to helping the down trodden. If the down trodden want a better life, they can work for it themselves, sometimes they don't deserve the hadn they are dealt, however, why should I fight their fight for them?
Personally, it would make me a little happy to see all these 'revolutions' you preach about, simply because many millions might possibly die. Not that I wish death on any individual, however if you don't agree on the fact that our world is extremely over populated, you are a fool. There is one solution to ending global warming, destruction of the rain forest etc etc. These problems exist because of demand for supplies, and how we process said supplies. If the population was cut in 3, or more, human existance could sustain itself in a comfortable way for pretty much ever. I'll tell you what fable, I'll spear head a new little group you can tag along with... it's called the Militia of Vigilantes looking out for the greater good. We are going to start out in surrey, and the downtown east side executing all the drains of society at a lightning quick rate, we will continue recruiting soldiers, and swarm the world, mowing down every unfortunate son of a bitch that has a problem. Then you can get on with your life, because there will be no one left to help. How much 'humanity' do I have left now, fable?
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Jan 11, 06
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Yeh it does seem rather reactionary of me and i'm torn between the decision. I'm simply prioritizing. I really don't like the platform the Conservatives have put forth and although its not over, it seems like they are going to be forming the minority government. We are going to need the Liberal house vote to keep the Conservatives in check in regards to same-sex marriage and other policies. Also i don't feel Svend Robinson has the integrity to take that posistion due to the ring scandal and his mental problems. He doesen't seem strong enough to represent my riding. Some may argue that a mistake is a mistake, but if you steal something that shows your true character, whether or not you returned it. I can't vote for a candidate like that. Anyone else and my reasoning would probably be different. I really don't like the Liberals because of what they have done to the public sector and even voted against them in the provincial elections(I voted NDP).
I just find the Conservative federal platform completely against how i want my country ran and voting Liberal is, how i feel, my contribution to stoping the Conservatives. I may even change my mind at the last minute and vote NDP because, yes, i have given thought that in the bigger picture and in the long term NDP support is more logical. I'm simply weighing in all the factors and i wish the Conservatives weren't leading this election; forcing me to make this decision. Honestly though, more front line troops, privitization, closer ties with America, reactionary social policy? This Conservative platform does not sound like anything i want. So really i have a tough decision to make. This doesen't mean i'm not going to support the NDP and vote NDP in the future, because i do plan on getting out there and getting involved in the party. I just feel i'm forced to vote Liberal because of the current situation. Even in this post i'm writing if you read carefully theres contradicting sentiment which shows the conflicting situation i'm in.
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The following thought is just an over simplification but, it shows the state of contemporary govrnment: Wanting to vote NDP only because it would be through this party we would have the best chance to attempt to implement a new form of government, through a large workers support base, but are unable to be, because we have to counter a growing conservative force!?!?!? And to do this, voting Liberal all of a sudden becomes a neccessary evil!! if this current political landscape is getting to you, whip yourself up a whiskey and lime you can, throw in some "Fat Freddy's Drop"(dub/reggae band from New Zealand) into the CD players, and think about the mid terms that will be just around the corner .. DOHHH!!!
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Do whatever the fuck the you want to do, you have that right. But how much are you going to trully achieve? Will there be a time, when your so alone, and staring at yourself in the mirror, that youll smash the image that looks back at you to a million pieces? When your sitting on that deathbed of yours at the end of the day, and the power struggle of little men with large back acounts echo trivially in your mind, when your bones are brittle, your breathing shallow, and your finishing paying the fare to whatever destination death takes you, word around town is REGRET IS A BITCH. See in you hell homie, the beers will be on me. Last edited by fable; Jan 11, 06 at 06:33 AM.
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Jan 18, 06
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Stephen Harper has the cold eyes of death. Anyone dumb enough to vote conservative deserves the camera he's going to have installed in their bedroom, supposedly to enforce the anti-gay laws he's gonna pass. Voting Harper means you are a horrible, horrible human being.
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Jan 21, 06
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NDP. In my riding NDP & Liberal are pretty damn close so I figure hey, my vote does make a difference.
It's scary, I asked a few girls at work if they're going to vote and most of them just shrugged and said "Why should I? As long as I have a job and blah blah blah". :(
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Jan 22, 06
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My first choice was Facist...but i guess Marxist will have to do.
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Jan 22, 06
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Alright I am gonna ad my 2 cents to this stuff....
Now I was born and raised in quebec... and each election the topic is always "the problem with quebec"... All parties agree that there is a problem in quebec but none of them actually point out what the problem is. The problem could of been dealt with years and years ago.... well before any of us were even born. Both the tories and the liberals had chances to take care of this and even the other opposition had a stand in parliament to express there concern.... Instead the government ended up bargaining... The problem with quebec is that the federal government has allowed a seperatist movement that doesn't recognize the queen or the constitution to achieve such powers that they are even in parliament. Quebec's financial state is currently good... but can be better. Because of this seperatist movement alot of companies avoid quebec because quite frankly there are stupid laws that are in placed which does involve "language police" believe it or not.... Thats right.... you own a store and your sign outside has bigger letters in a language other then french then your either going to get a huge fine or they will shut you down.... this is no joke.... The feds are afraid however because of the F.L.Q crisis that took place I believe in the 70's where really you had a group of maybe 15 people however nobody really never knew who they were at that time and pretty muched feared anything and everything.... Anyways.... in no way shape or form has the federal government.... and this involves each and every party have ever really taken a really good look at everything.... Quebec will never separate at all simply because it can't.... there is absolutely no chance in hell will it ever happen. I mean christ they have had so many referendum's there and is always the same results... The people have made it clear... Instead the seperatist movement decides to play with the federal government. The federal government dishes so much money to quebec its unbelievable.... And while the seperatists were in power at a provincial standpoint they were pocketing the money to themselves and then they tell the people "look what the federal government is doing to us?". This is how disturbing this movement is.... As far as I am concerned, B.C has a hell of alot more issues and rather SERIOUS issues that affect this province environmentally, economically and socially. But there is nobody to stand up at all and face the real facts. Right now yes the industry is booming because of the olympics.... but ya know what after the olympics are all done and said everything is going to fall.... You got the mountain pine beatle destroying the forest.... salmon stocks at an all time low... Air pollution is unbelievable (imagine if there weren't any tree's) and then you have the downtown east side.... Now let me tell you something.... I was born in montreal in rather a little rough neighborhood... seen alot of shit that a kid shouldn't see... I've been to nyc, boston, philly, toronto.... been around in the rough neighborhoods but I ain't seen anything like the downtown east side in vancouver. There is alot of very sick people out there on the streets on the east side. Now of course in order to take care of all of this in requires funds, funds that come from the federal government... All the god damn money go's to ontario or quebec and never makes its way out west at all... As a result especially in bc you have a huge problem like what I just explained. Alberta on the other half.. well they are doing fine because they have a genious of a premier.. In all reallity western alienation is real and is present. So in all each and every party in parliament levels and provincial levels are responsible for this fuck up you see that they speak of which is "Quebec".... nobody takes blame they just point fingers at each other. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the people of quebec and the available resources that is in quebec.... Its the level of goverment that the federal government has allowed. Both liberal and tories had there chances in office and even at the time the "reform" party or the ndp had a say.... Nobody EVER stood up at the plate. So when you vote tommorow think of a few things... In all reality jack layton has NO chance what so ever of being prime minister. And yes its true at this point... if you vote for ndp then the conservatives are in. Stephen Harper made it clear that he will criminalize marijuana and ensure that tough sentences would occur... He'll definantly take away a women's right to choose.... Keep in mind people this is an individual who used to run for the Christian Heritage party...... Were talking a "republican" party of canada here... This son of a bitch is dangerous... As per Paul Martin...... I used to be a fan of his..... Am not anymore.... The fact that he used to be the finance minister when chretien was dishing out money left right and center and martin never opened his mouth pretty much tells me he knew exactly what happened. The whole cabinet is full of shame.... I've seen kids ressolve issues in a sandbox faster then how these parties are working.... So ya..... Choose who you want but understand each and every party has there own scandals and what not..... As for myself... I lost all confidence in each and every party....
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