Price of liquor an issue at clubs?

[Kraig]

There was an interesting article in The Province this morning over the highly popular $2 highballs or $2 beer Monday night that happens at Plush night club.

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts? -- Is it specifically and only the price of liquor or a bunch of factors contributing to this violence? For instance, if liquor prices were the same, would fights break out if House music were played rather than Hip Hop?

Discuss.

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Cheap drinks blamed for brawls outside nightclub
Blur Monday deals draw fighting crowd
Matthew Ramsey, The Province
Published: Wednesday, December 28, 2005

Bargain-basement booze nights are being blamed for brawls outside Plush Nightclub in Vancouver.

Monday is Blur Monday at Plush, which means select highballs and draft beer are $2. Fights are free.

"This is a huge problem for us right now," said Const. Howard Chow. "It's a huge drain on our resources."

Officers were called to fights around the nightclub at the Plaza of Nations at 1:15 a.m., 2:30 a.m. and 2:59 a.m. yesterday.

The week before, 100 people were brawling after Blur Monday, requiring police from across the city to bring the combatants under control.

The situation was so bad that officers stationed themselves outside the club this Monday ready for trouble.

Chow said police are looking at allegations that minors are being served and legal drinkers are being over-served. He said the allegations will be forwarded to the Liquor Control and Licensing Branch.

"Things clearly aren't being done to our satisfaction," he said.

Daisen Gee-Wing, senior vice-president for Plaza of Nations owner Canadian Metropolitan Property Corp., said Plush is experiencing the same issues as any other nightclub -- the odd fake ID and patrons who fight outside the club.

"There have been problems, but in our opinion, the problems are generally associated with nightclubs," he said. "We also have them here. The fights don't happen in the club, unfortunately. If they happened in the club, we could control it."

Gee-Wing said the club has sufficient staff to deal well with the 947 drinkers it is licensed to serve.

Known troublemakers are being banned from the two-level, three-bar club, and it's possible the price of drinks may go up on Blur nights, he said.

Gee-Wing also referred to a list of security suggestions that the nightclub and police have come up with, but he declined to say what they are.

Gee-Wing said fights may be erupting because there isn't the concentrated police presence at the Plaza of Nations as there is along Granville Street, where many nightclubs are located. mramsey@png.canwest.com

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[hardstylin]

the cheap booze is to blame the most, I KNOW the music will also play a small roll.

[kiMMie]

I think not only alcohol, but the crowd characteristics that contribute to violence. But I guess if you're spending $30 on drinks at $2 per drink = 15 compared to the 5 you would have if the prices were $6 per drink, that would definitely make a huge difference.

An asocial person with 15 drinks would probably be bumping & grinding a dirty toilet before they puke in it. :nads:

[Kraig]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

I think not only alcohol, but the crowd characteristics that contribute to violence. But I guess if you're spending $30 on drinks at $2 per drink = 15 compared to the 5 you would have if the prices were $6 per drink, that would definitely make a huge difference.

An asocial person with 15 drinks would probably be bumping & grinding a dirty toilet before they puke in it. :nads:

Unless on those alternate nights where drinks are $6, your target audience is the "baller" crowd where ordering 30+ shots and drinks in the norm and therefore money is no object. Image is everything. ;)

[mikey]

I think it's funny how the targeted plush, when in the burbs it happens every weekend...

[PsyTrance4Life]

what do you expect from bunch of hardcore gangsta rap listeners

[kiMMie]

Originally Posted by Kraig

Unless on those alternate nights where drinks are $6, your target audience is the "baller" crowd where ordering 30+ shots and drinks in the norm and therefore money is no object. Image is everything. ;)

"Baller" crowd = more pride, terriorial, stubborness. You step on their baby toe, and it's "step outside punk". I think the money helps compete with status. They buy the 30+ shots to announce to the other patrons that they are the "baller of ballers".

[mikey]

Ballers order Dom P, and sit in the back and glisten from a distance. Somebody playing baller buy 30+ drinks to show off infront of people wearing a 10k chain...

[Kraig]

Originally Posted by mikey

Ballers order Dom P, and sit in the back and glisten from a distance. Somebody playing baller buy 30+ drinks to show off infront of people wearing a 10k chain...

I agree, but visually someone walking up to a bar and ordering 50 shots besides another baller that just ordered 30 is significant... Especially if the dude has hot girls with him.

I've seen it happen time and time again where it's a "baller battle at the bar" that typically turns to violence of some form later in the evening.

This is also the reason that the bar sales at these nights are INSANE. 30K+

[hardstylin]

Originally Posted by Kraig

I agree, but visually someone walking up to a bar and ordering 50 shots besides another baller that just ordered 30 is significant... Especially if the dude has hot girls with him.

I've seen it happen time and time again where it's a "baller battle at the bar" that typically turns to violence of some form later in the evening.

This is also the reason that the bar sales at these nights are INSANE. 30K+

i could not handle seeing that shit go down.

2 douche bags trying to one up each other with a drink order to impress some chick hahahaha.

[Kraig]

Originally Posted by hardstylin

i could not handle seeing that shit go down.

2 douche bags trying to one up each other with a drink order to impress some chick hahahaha.

Yep... seen it more than once. And it's not specifically to impress a chick (all the time), it may just be to make his/her status know to the entire group they are with as well.

[optimum sound]

You call those people 'guys'?

[Sue Bitch]

well I would think the buck a beer at ponchos has cause a few fights
but then if the beer was not a buck no one would go

[fable]

I've seen it happen time and time again where it's a "baller battle at the bar" that typically turns to violence of some form later in the evening.

hahahahaahah - priceless!!

if i had a quarter for everytime i saw this go down in my life, i would have never had to have paid for a drink!

[MC Hammered]

Originally Posted by mikey

Ballers order Dom P, and sit in the back and glisten from a distance. Somebody playing baller buy 30+ drinks to show off infront of people wearing a 10k chain...

As I was taught a long time ago:

Those who flaunt it don't have it.

Those that don't do.

[soma]

Originally Posted by MC Hammered

As I was taught a long time ago:

Those who flaunt it don't have it.

Those that don't do.

well said.

There's far too many wannabes out there these days.

[tiedye]

I read this in the paper this morning too. It's a sad world we live in when alcohol is being blamed for the acts of ignorant people. It's almost as if they've never had a drink before. Alcohol doesn't impede free will. If someone fights, they obviously have a few violent bones in their body. Alcohol brings out the worst in people, but it doesn't create it. Yes, they may be less hesitant to back down after drinking, but it doesn't mean they don't WANT to fight. The rest of the world can drink without a dispute.
In my short term on this Earth, I've learned very quickly that some people fight, and some people don't, and those that do more often than not look for the excuse to go in guns blazing. I've met people many a night who have openly admitted before they got tanked that they want to get in a fight, and quite frankly, I think that's subconsciously going through any fighter's head at some point in the night before they get into a fight. We can't just use cheap alcohol sales as a scapegoat for human indecency. It's the same as the classic "violent video games lead to a violent mind" argument. They don't make a peaceful person violent, and neither does alcohol. It's their choice to drink that much just because the alcohol is cheaper, and it's THEIR choice to fight because they're incapable of reconsiling differences through conversation... not the nightclubs, and not the cheap sales, and not the alcohol.

[jono]

Never seen a fight at Celebrities on their $2 high ball night and I go there a fair bit.

[Dean]

dont the majority of the stabbings and shootings happen on the weekend?
when its not cheap drinks?

[barstar]

every club, every weekend,could have five shootings per club and 30 dollar drinks i would still be there givener hard,,,,life is all about letting go and getting the most out of it.drama and over priced drinks do suck though,baller battles lol thats so funny.................................lo vin life...

[Antenna_Boy]

Hmmm, I am thinking it would be more amusing to go to Plush just to watch the fights...it makes it worthwhile to watch some UFC in person and get drunk all for the price of $15 bucks..not bad at all!!! =)

[Max Lazarus]

Originally Posted by barstar

every club, every weekend,could have five shootings per club and 30 dollar drinks i would still be there givener hard,,,,life is all about letting go and getting the most out of it.drama and over priced drinks do suck though,baller battles lol thats so funny.................................lo vin life...

The club is not the be-all and end-all of society. If you really think going and getting wasted at the same venues every week is an excellent use of time or money, maybe you should reconsider your priorities.

But then again people like you pay my bills, so go ahead.

[Atlantis77]

VPD is just a corrupt, lazy and racist organization. you cant blame the club and the promotion they have for the shit that happens outside. Look at loft six, look at atlantis, look at caprice, all had their share of shootin and violence. the way i look at it, every club has its regular crowd. all it takes is for one guy who thinks he runs shit, to graze shoulders with another idiot who thinks he runs shit. u got urself a brawl. and i would hate to stareotype music genres into this problem. i do agree that the fact that they provide cheap drinks does bring mass crowds, but really, its monday night, u dont got many options. keep the promotion and the club out of it.

[FeelGood]

$3 Blur Monday's here we come.

The Province blams the liquor, I blame the people and the bartenders.

You dont even have to be standing up at Plush to get a drink, they ALWAYS overserve and I've seen it happen on too many times.

Rule out the orderings of 30 shots, DONT overserve your customers and get rid of the hippity hop and I bet they wouldn't have a problem.

[Antenna_Boy]

^it is the hippitiy hop that makes the business of bars successful.