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Way to go Ja Raul, hopefully it will encourage more people to vote, considering there were so many that said they weren't going to in my poll! :( |
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i was hoping this will be some sort of an educated discussion thread rather than have "oh lets bash a political leader/party" type responses. besides, the politicians themselves are better at that anyways |
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The section on "Tax," does not mention that although the Conservatives will lower the GST to 5%, they plan on scrapping current income-tax cuts. This will raise the lower tax bracket from 15% to 16%. These cuts will also lower, by $400, the level of tax free income a person can make.
Also there is no mention of the Liberal promise, put forth in the debate last night, to remove the notwithstanding clause from the constitution. The notwithstanding clause allows the government to rule over or make a law that even if it violates the constitution. Something Harper could use to solidy the definition of marriage. Also, there is no mention of the policies the NDP have suggested for Gun control. This includes: A "2-prong" approach dealing with the roots of the problem coupled with deterrance methods, preventing sale of fire arms on the internet, strengthening border control, and elevating the witness protection program. |
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I trully beleive there will come a time when Canadian by and large will realize there is not a single party that will imrove the current situation in Canada, and neutralize damage inflicted abroad in any substantial sense.
Our current electorial system only further clouds the issue, and attempts to promote a belief in the general population that we have a considerable influence on how are country is run. Unless you are of the small ruling class elite families, have a considerable position in corporate canada or in the government itself, there is no chance for any significant directional change in how our country is run-not that any of the people in these categories actaully have similiar wants and needs similair to that of most citizens and especially the poor, working classes, indegenous peoples, immigrants and refugees. The current all candidate meetings are a demoralizing sham of any sense of citizen participation and or influence. The structure is not indicative of any real concern of the government candidates having any concern for regular people, further than using rhetoric, lies, party pashing and divisionary tactics to gain votes. if we examine the core ideaology of all the parties involved we will see the same oppressive, and institutional negetive ideology. My opinion of the current left leaning parties including the green, both communist parties and the NDP further instills a sense of frustration, anger, and hopelessness. The two communist parties platforms are contridictory, supportive of nationalism, and alienates people who are not familiar with leftist idealism and precedent to the 10th degree. The green parties platform is so shakey, the look like complete imbeciles, even in light of being the only party to real denounce the Canadian invasion of Haiti. Regrettably my vote will be going to the NDP again. Why? because although the labour bearacracy had a part to play in the most recent of blatant attacks on the working peoples of BC, and canada as a whole, the parties support is still largely based on such peoples and labour unions/federation. And this still leaves opportunity to evoke change, and replace the NDP with a viable united leftist front. This of course has been the problem that has plagued the left for years. The inability to take the demand of the people past band aid solutions and rhetoric, ad well as a unity between leftist groups. I feel that we have the best oppurtunity to expose the shared central core agendas of ALL government parties of Canada through the eventaul dissection of the NDP, and thus will give them my vote. I wanted to thank Ja rule, for putting up all this information. But if we arent talking to the youth about the underlying politics of what is going on in Canada, we will perpetuate a reactionary belief that there is a possibility for ALL canadians to improve their lives through the current system of government - which will be found out either sonner or later, easily or extremely painfully, is a complete illusion. We must desiminate through the thousand of little details that each party will bicker with eachother about, and go to the core politics, that are currently present, as well as the style of politics we will need to understand and learn, if we hope to create any sort of sustainable future that puts in high priority the most oppressed(the largest group) of peoples in Canada. |
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Honestly I am sort of at a loss at to who I am going to vote for. The conservatives are scaring me, the liberals are losers, screwed up and don't deserve yet another chance and I think money can be spent other places than the environment when it comes to the NDP. Being a post secondary student, of course I am going to look at what each party is going to offer to me for school, but I am disappointed in the liberals, as they did not clarify that those who are already in school, will they get their tuition paid for? As for Harper, I am disappointed that they didn't have more to offer when it came to this.
I like that Harper is going to make scholarships tax free, because I think it's ridiculous that they are considered income. If you won them and they are going to something like your education, then who has the right to tax them. Just my opinion. As for the books being tax deductables, yes please. I spend $1000 - 1500 a year on books, that's alot of money in which most of if I don't even get back and even if I can sell them, you don't get what they are worth. As for health care, I think that we should maintain a public health care system, as it is something covated by many nations around the world. It's expensive yes, but well worth it. I will most likely end up voting conservative, as I don't want to give the liberals my vote and I am feeling shady towards the NDP. My prediction is that the Conservatives will win, but without a majority and that precious vote of confidence, they have no hope of staying in power and Canada will again be faced with another election... something that I think will be an ongoing process for the next few years. Canada needs stability, but unfortunetly with the options presented.. that is something we won't be getting with one party being very radical in their views, one who can't be trusted and one that is too concerned about saving the trees. |
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DONT FORGET TO ASK YOUR "REPRESENTATIVES" ABOUT WHY THE CANADIAN MILITARY BUDGET WAS DOUBLED TO 25.8 BILLION DOLLARS!?
WOULD THEY SUPPORT A PUBLIC INQUIRY INTO THE HAPPENINGS IN AFGHANISTAN/HAITI/ AND IRAQ, WITH FULL DISCLOSURE!?! STOP THE CANADIAN IMERIALIST WAR DRIVE STOP THE CANADIAN WAR AT HOME ON INDEGENOUS PEOPLES/IMMIGRANTS/POOR AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLES CANADA OUT OF HAITI AND AFGHANISTAN STOP CANADIAN SUPPORT OF THE US/UK WAR DRIVE IN IRAQ SELF DETERMINATION FOR ALL INDEGENOUS PEOPLES FULL PUBLIC INQUIRY Mobilization Against War and Occupation http://www.mawovancouver.org Fire This Time Social Justice News http://www.firethistime.net Haiti Solidarity Canada http://www.canadahaitiaction.ca http://www.outofhaiti.ca Support US war resitors in their struggles for refugee status http://www.resisters.ca/ Middle Eastern News: Aljazeera http://english.alajazeera.net/HomePage Reuters News http://www.reuters.com |
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voting for the ndp is the same as voting for the conservatives, the NDP will never be more then fourth place, and therefore have no chance to form a government.
so if you plan on voting ndp, think twice becuase it only solidifys the conservative party's lead. |
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I love how this is truly the first time I've only seen NDP ad's attacking the liberals and NOT the conservatives, it must be tough to be on the same side in a weird alliance with a party that basically stands against everything your party represents.
they sold out! |
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in the last federal election the NDP lost a bunch of votes because people who would normally vote NDP voted for the Liberals because they didn't want to see the Conservatives in the government. i'm sure they don't want that to happen again. if they paint the Conservatives as the scary big bad party that they can't work with then people are going to swing their votes from NDP to Liberal just to keep the Conservatives out of office. they didn't sell out on anything. selling out would be changing their party policies on health care and education and senior care to more right wing policies....which they haven't done. they aren't in any weird alliance with the Conservative party at all. their platform is just as NDP as it always was. |
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i really fucking hope the conservatives dont win
even though the liberals cant be trusted, their policies are 10x better than the conservatives. for me its a toss up between ndp and liberals, but im afraid voting ndp will be a throw-away vote |
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wow, thanks a lot for posting this information. I really really really want to vote in this upcoming election (my first able since I just turned 19) but I was completely clueless to all the parties and what they stand for. This information was very appreciated and quite informative. Personally, I think the NDP has the most that I agree with, but like others have said I am aware that the conservatives are currently in the lead and that the second closest is the liberals. I do NOT want the converservatives in power, so that leaves liberals... but then again the whole reason this vote is happening is because they had a non-confidence against them, so obviously they aren't doing something right. Honestly, I think I will go with NDP. Thanks again though for this! :D
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just because they aren't repeatedly criticizing and attacking the conservatives doesn't mean they've made an alliance with them. an alliance would be if they agreed and supporting tory party policies, which they clearly aren't doing if you compare the two platforms. |
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Also if anything the ndp gained votes from former liberal voters last time around, since they went from 13 seats to 19 and their percentage of the popular vote went from 8.51% to 15.7% in a parlimentary system like ours if a party wins a majority they can do whatever they want and the opposition is simply window dressing. Last edited by SEAN!; Jan 11, 06 at 04:32 PM. |
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Well Jack Layton, during monday's federal debate, did attempt to juxtapose the Conservatives and the Liberals together as having similiar policies in certain areas.
The NDP are just trying to capitalize on the Liberal's track record in an attempt to get noticed since this election has focused solely on the Liberals and Conservatives. The two parties don't even make any mention of the NDP. Sadly it looks like the Conservatives are going to form government based solely on a campaign of scandal and rhetoric. Something that is easily understood by the common vote, rather then actually looking at the platforms. |
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however, as we've seen over the last few weeks the polls can change very quickly and i hope that if the conservatives win the election that it is just a minority government. |
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Please elaborate mate. Sounds a trifle reactionary to me, but, perhaps im missing something here. |