reason to like google #253:

[ebbomega]

they care more about your personal privacy than the u.s. government

google is being subpoena'd to release all their traffic information to the government. they're saying hell no, that gives away private information. all the other search engines have complied. glad i never use them.

yeah, the government kind of seems like they have a valid excuse, but i think privacy trumps that case. that kind of information ending up in us public record, as someone who doesn't live in america, makes me pretty paranoid given the town idiot they have in charge.

the infocalypse is upon the american government now....

[fable]

as someone who doesn't live in america, makes me pretty paranoid given the town idiot they have in charge.
the infocalypse is upon the american government now....

those poor americans, having all their secured information sold to the highest bidder, while we sit back, and bask in the glow of our most revered and trustful of governments, land of the free, home of the politicianico honestico. We dont have convoluted, bullshit elections, we just have tea and watercress sandwiches until the revered chosen new government is birthed from mother earths loins herself!!

The infocalypse turning on the government? Unless you know of some crack team of revolutionaries, who are riding the information highway right into a good ol fashioned bloody guerilla overthrow of the white house, i think your trying to learn how to walk, while you still can only manage being on all fours(ass up of course)

The "technologies" that "bring together" of our "global nation" (yes the same ones we all eat up at the hint of a sale, new model, bla bla bla ) are the same ones governments peddle in order to secure the general wherabouts and knowledge of all humans on the earth. We arent in any position of toppling this reality, nor appropriating such power for our(civilian population) own benefits. At best there are a number of fringe guerilla forces across the globe, who may be at a level of somewhat inconspicous, but even this is subject to the "eye of sauron" when i comes down to the "cash for goods" part of the bargain.

To applaud the "righteous" act of one such "google" in the face of such personal infringments on human rights that we have in this country and abroad, is at best an ironic laugh, (that is more at you, then with you), and worst, completely oblvious to how much of our "privacy" we've already given up, like it was virginity at prom night, and we were feeling particularely naughty.

of course, i could have just completely driven right through a post that was tongue and cheek, and in no way serious, of which case, my apologies.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by fable

those poor americans, having all their secured information sold to the highest bidder, while we sit back, and bask in the glow of our most revered and trustful of governments, land of the free, home of the politicianico honestico. We dont have convoluted, bullshit elections, we just have tea and watercress sandwiches until the revered chosen new government is birthed from mother earths loins herself!!

never said we were any better, bub. but we're not subpoenaing ISPs and search engines for information on what people are using the internet for. in Canada, it needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a judge that a specific ip address has been violating some law before the ISP is to be forced to give away ip address information.

and i'm not saying 'poor americans'. i'm saying 'poor us'. there are other people than americans whose information will be in the hands of the american government in this case.

The infocalypse turning on the government? Unless you know of some crack team of revolutionaries, who are riding the information highway right into a good ol fashioned bloody guerilla overthrow of the white house, i think your trying to learn how to walk, while you still can only manage being on all fours(ass up of course)

crack team of revolutionaries? doesn't need to be covert. it just has to be someone with money. because honestly, that's _really_ what governs the planet.

Google has money, so it's nice to see them standing up for the government staying out of the internet's back yard.

To applaud the "righteous" act of one such "google" in the face of such personal infringments on human rights that we have in this country and abroad, is at best an ironic laugh, (that is more at you, then with you), and worst, completely oblvious to how much of our "privacy" we've already given up, like it was virginity at prom night, and we were feeling particularely naughty.

right. so we should just sit back and let the government fuck us over in every single way possible, because they have already. defeatist attitudes like yours just let them keep going.

just because you lost your virginity at prom night doesn't mean you need to go sign up for a videotaped gang bang the next night.

of course, i could have just completely driven right through a post that was tongue and cheek, and in no way serious, of which case, my apologies.

partially, and partially prophetic. the infocalypse the way that i see it is an anarchisting system governed by corporations, where all information is syphoned through whoever happens to make money off of that particular information. so google has access to who uses what over the internet. of course the us government wants access to it, but it's their own damn fault for not thinking of it first. heck, even Snow Crash predicted that the US government would be the ones to control that type of information, but what he assumed was that it would come out of the Library of Congress (CIC Database) as opposed to a company (Google). but i don't think stephenson really expected that most of the money on the internet regarding information exchange would be made through advertising as opposed to information access itself.

Sorry to budge and thread hi-jack buuuuuuutttttt...

Sorry about not calling last night. I was so full my kidneys hurt. I came straight home, and passed out with elasticized waistbanded pants. I owe you time Dave. What is your Friday like next week?

[ebbomega]

hahahah. no worries, i just spun records and watched fear and loathing... working till 9:30 on friday... unsure about plans after that. gimme a call. =)

(PS: yeah, i agree with what you said about the end, but frankly, that's exactly how every acid trip i've had goes near the end, so it works)

Acid was one of those drugs that I did in high school, that I would do, say I was never doing again, and then 3 months later say, why did I stop doing acid? Then do it again and remember.....:S

Will call on Friday, will probably take it easy that night as I have to go to move my storage locker around on Saturday! :(

[fable]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

never said we were any better, bub. but we're not subpoenaing ISPs and search engines for information on what people are using the internet for. in Canada, it needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a judge that a specific ip address has been violating some law before the ISP is to be forced to give away ip address information.

and i'm not saying 'poor americans'. i'm saying 'poor us'. there are other people than americans whose information will be in the hands of the american government in this case.



crack team of revolutionaries? doesn't need to be covert. it just has to be someone with money. because honestly, that's _really_ what governs the planet.

Google has money, so it's nice to see them standing up for the government staying out of the internet's back yard.



right. so we should just sit back and let the government fuck us over in every single way possible, because they have already. defeatist attitudes like yours just let them keep going.

just because you lost your virginity at prom night doesn't mean you need to go sign up for a videotaped gang bang the next night.



partially, and partially prophetic. the infocalypse the way that i see it is an anarchisting system governed by corporations, where all information is syphoned through whoever happens to make money off of that particular information. so google has access to who uses what over the internet. of course the us government wants access to it, but it's their own damn fault for not thinking of it first. heck, even Snow Crash predicted that the US government would be the ones to control that type of information, but what he assumed was that it would come out of the Library of Congress (CIC Database) as opposed to a company (Google). but i don't think stephenson really expected that most of the money on the internet regarding information exchange would be made through advertising as opposed to information access itself.

Dont get me wrong, the hallowed google, standing up to the oppressive forces acting in the "best interests" of national security is perhaps a good thing, but what i was trying to put across is that, considering the twelve mollion other ways they have to obtain information, how can we look at this as some sort of victory?

I gotta admit, your are the first person to EVER accuse me of being a defeatist! Its actaully of nice, compared to be called an idealistic, militant sociopath. Im not defeatist, im just a humble student in the school of understanding that many of the "victories" and "concensions" afforded to us, by the so called "standing up" on the part of such structures in society, are usaully in the face of overwhelming ass fucking. Since you brought up some of your child fantasies about being gangfucked while wearing a prom dress, ill give you this analogy, if and while your getting your ass torn open in the midst of getting gang raped, do focuss on the fact that some of the bug burly men that happen to be pillaging your rectum where so nice, as to use a little lube?

I see this as the same thing. So really i aint the defeatist, i just like to think i know the score, and know that we are in fact losing, and need to follow the new gameplan, which has nothing to do with the "googles of the world"

[ebbomega]

really, what i'm primarily happy about, is that there's a tech company with the financial girth to stand up to the government for what's right as opposed to what'll make them more money (*coughmicrosoftcough*). because it's needed. with patent laws what they're becoming, people like sco able to keep fud-driven lawsuits into play (you know their lawsuit against ibm is still going, hey? even though they've shown time and time again that they have no evidence, hey?), and basically anything that microsoft's legal department does, it's nice to see someone succeeding while maintaining that people still have rights online. particularily against this administration, which seems to think that technology only exists for political interest (i like how nobody can prove that bush cheated in the last election, what with the lack of a paper trail).

while your attitude is 'hein, we're still fucked in the end', mine is 'finally, someone who's not looking to fuck us in the end!'

[fable]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

while your attitude is 'hein, we're still fucked in the end', mine is 'finally, someone who's not looking to fuck us in the end!'

where did i put that across? "End" is a pretty subjective term as well. Mine isnt an atittude of rolling over, and throwing my ass up in the air, its about communicating or discussing are our "victories" actaully victories in a more complete context.

Its said in different ways, in many different circles, but essentially, ebo, we aint fixing shit, until we know where its broke, and by "where its broke" i mean where it starts, and whos got the fucking hammer.

[AAA]

ahhhh I <3 google if google needs to start recruting an army to appose the americans i am so inn . eh i dont even need a reason i will do it just cause its google . Long live Google and God please take America Down.

[fable]

According to CBC todaay, Google.cn has given in to the Great (fire)wall of China, censoring results, specifically those of a politically sensitive nature.

[project.one]

Hugs and Kisses to Google!

[FlorpIncarnate]

Originally Posted by fable

According to CBC todaay, Google.cn has given in to the Great (fire)wall of China, censoring results, specifically those of a politically sensitive nature.

Yeah. But really, what else can you do. If you want to do business in a despotism you have to play by the rules.

Besides, anybody who knows what they are doing will just use a proxy to get around government Internet controls. No biggie.