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Old May 03, 06
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The Proposed Budget....

As usual, the rich get richer, and the poor get nothing......

What a load of horseshit. I still can't believe that Canada elected these puds in.

The 1% savings we will get from GST is going to be made up for with the increase in income tax. Now we will have even less money to spend....

The child care plan doesn't even make sense. It only benefits families that have higher incomes. It does nothing for the single parent situation.

And of course, because canada needed it, they pumped billions of dollars into the military.

What a joke! I want the Liberals back! :(

More budget bullshit here.....
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Old May 03, 06
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what i understand even less is how president bush got re-elected.
i mean of course he didn't play by the rules, but even still.
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Old May 03, 06
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I agree,

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Its bullshit. The nerve of some of these richies too, I remember hearing on the radio a while back that people that were paying for private heathcare and private schooling for their children were whining because they wanted a tax break becuase they wern't using the social health or education. Tough shit, taxes are like rent to live in the country, suck it up moneybags!
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Old May 03, 06
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While I'm not a Tory supporter I'm not going to flip out on the budget just because of that. Bottom line is that there's good and bad, as with every single budget handed down for as long as I can remember. You can't make everyone happy right?

Increasing the lowest tax bracket a half percent to 15.5% is definitely a shame but to a lot of you I think you might not fall in that category anyways. I'll admit that I'm lucky enough to not fall in that bracket but then again it doesn't really matter in the long run. Canada is one of the most heavily taxed nations in the world so we're really just used to it.

For some of the good things I think a lot of the little ravers on here won't understand and/or benefit from them until they're older so they'll bitch about it until the cows come home. From what I see this is very much a family centred budget. Tax credits for putting your children in sports (sorry all, thumbs up for that), $1200 a year for child care (not much BUT it's more than they were getting before and is hopefully a decent start). Keep in mind that this credit in no way reduces the Canada Child Tax Benefit or GST credit for families either.... it's $100 more a month to the amount that families already receive. They can still write off the same amount for their child care expenses too so they aren't being penalized in taxes for what they're being given.

The GST reduction is just a drop in the bucket for most people's everyday spending but will be more beneficial over time. Save a buck here, some change there.... if you ever make a big purchase you'll save significant money.

Like I said, you do have to weigh out the good and the bad and while there are definitely some key details that I don't approve of I do have to try and look at some of the ones I do. For me I'll save almost $300 a year alone on the tax credit for transit passes, I'll save with the tax credit for kids in sports (my kiddo plays hockey), and I'll receive tax credits for post-secondary text book purchases.... lucky me.

I honestly think my biggest peeve is everyone who falls into the 'give me something for nothing' group. I support helping out families, don't get me wrong. As a matter of fact I've benefited from the Child Tax Benefit myself. What starts to get to me is people demanding more money for essentially doing nothing. Now maybe not in this instance (ie: the $1200 for families per year) what happened to people being happy with what they're already being given and since when did it become acceptable to say 'GIVE ME MONEY' but not actually do anything to get it? Just another facet of our 'ME, ME, ME, ME!' society.

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no fight from me :)

I say my piece in this one and then let the dogs have it out if they choose to. Nothing anyone else says will change my mind and I don't expect anything I say to change anyone elses. I just like to keep an open ear to BOTH sides no matter what.

Like I said.... plenty of bad sure but not ALL bad. :)
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1 percent such a joke.

and they're making it seem like they just took away the tax.

HYPE HYPE
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Is that the only thing about the budget you know Andrew? I mean it's a fair statement for sure but read over the whole thing before judging a whole on only one part.
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Old May 03, 06
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The issue that I have with this proposed budget is mostly this.

Once again, those with higher incomes benefit more from this budget. Which isn't about asking for more money, it is why should those with the higher income get the tax breaks before those without.

And the lack of relief for the ever rising gas prices is also infuriating. Didn't they have in their electoral platform, something about cutting the tax all together once it reached a certain price?!
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As usual, the rich get richer, and the poor get nothing......
Were you paying any attention to what the Liberals have been doing for the last 10 years. This is nothing new.

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What a load of horseshit. I still can't believe that Canada elected these puds in.
I guess it's the old chicken or the egg argument but IMO Canada simply did what the media told them to do. Perhaps the media just tailored their coverage to match Canadians views but to me it seemed like they were brutally cheering on the Conservatives in the last election.

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The 1% savings we will get from GST is going to be made up for with the increase in income tax. Now we will have even less money to spend....
Agreed

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The child care plan doesn't even make sense. It only benefits families that have higher incomes. It does nothing for the single parent situation.
Agreed but this is what they promised to do if elected.

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And of course, because Canada needed it, they pumped billions of dollars into the military.
This was also promised by the Liberals.

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What a joke! I want the Liberals back! :(
The Liberals have very slight difference in policy are you sure about that? The only reason they had such progressive policies recently was that they were being propped up by the NDP.

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Old May 03, 06
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What a load of horseshit. I still can't believe that Canada elected these puds in.
2nded! our conservative govt is my living nightmare.

how about the 5 billion cut to kyoto... so much for having an environmentally friendly initiative. fuck you, you fucking fucks.
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Is that the only thing about the budget you know Andrew? I mean it's a fair statement for sure but read over the whole thing before judging a whole on only one part.
it's really the only thing i give 2 shits about.
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Old May 03, 06
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i think this budget looks pretty good.

not everyone lives in vancouver and works in cubicles.
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The issue that I have with this proposed budget is mostly this.

Once again, those with higher incomes benefit more from this budget. Which isn't about asking for more money, it is why should those with the higher income get the tax breaks before those without.

And the lack of relief for the ever rising gas prices is also infuriating. Didn't they have in their electoral platform, something about cutting the tax all together once it reached a certain price?!

Agreed on your first point for sure.... it's a kick in the pant for the poorest of the poor. Luckily for me, like I said earlier, I am far out of that bracket but not even close to the highest levels.

As for your second point, I can't be 100% here, but I remember them flat out saying they wouldn't drop any gas taxes.? I could be wrong though for sure as I'm speaking from a vague memory. The bottom line is that unless Canada starts making our own oil available to Canadians without trading it on the global market we'll never see those reductions. Shit, in Venezuela or something they pay like 17cents a litre for gas..... but they use their own oil right?
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My thoughts....

Military: Definitely needed funding. The Liberals program of giving bland public praise and then sending them into danger woefully ilequiped was a complete joke.

1%GST: 1% more than the liberals ever did (although they often talked about it)

Kyoto cuts: Developing economies are exempt from all Kyoto restrictions.
(gee I wonder why they're all onboard with it ). I don't see a need to kneecap our economies while other ,up and coming, Polluters keep on trucking.
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Agreed on your first point for sure.... it's a kick in the pant for the poorest of the poor. Luckily for me, like I said earlier, I am far out of that bracket but not even close to the highest levels.

As for your second point, I can't be 100% here, but I remember them flat out saying they wouldn't drop any gas taxes.? I could be wrong though for sure as I'm speaking from a vague memory. The bottom line is that unless Canada starts making our own oil available to Canadians without trading it on the global market we'll never see those reductions. Shit, in Venezuela or something they pay like 17cents a litre for gas..... but they use their own oil right?
Personally I'm all for nationalizing oil and lumber for that matter. However the reality is that our good neighbors to the South would never allow that. Also we've signed onto way to many trade agreements that won't allow that (NAFTA for starters). I guess my other concern is that while high gas prices do have a negative affect on me personally ($70+ to fill up now) they encourage people to find alternate means of transportation. We are already one of the highest per capita polluters in the World and would be far worse if gas was at $0.17/liter. Really though this budget is nothing, it's the Conservatives way of saying "look how nice we are, can we please have a majority already?" That's when you would all really have something to get mad about.
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My thoughts....

Military: Definitely needed funding. The Liberals program of giving bland public praise and then sending them into danger woefully ilequiped was a complete joke.

1%GST: 1% more than the liberals ever did (although they often talked about it)

Kyoto cuts: Developing economies are exempt from all Kyoto restrictions.
(gee I wonder why they're all onboard with it ). I don't see a need to kneecap our economies while other ,up and coming, Polluters keep on trucking.
Global warming, have you heard of it?
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is it just me or do I only feel .5% richer?
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Old May 03, 06
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As usual, the rich get richer, and the poor get nothing......

What a load of horseshit. I still can't believe that Canada elected these puds in.

The 1% savings we will get from GST is going to be made up for with the increase in income tax. Now we will have even less money to spend....

The child care plan doesn't even make sense. It only benefits families that have higher incomes. It does nothing for the single parent situation.

And of course, because canada needed it, they pumped billions of dollars into the military.

What a joke! I want the Liberals back! :(

More budget bullshit here.....

siiiigh, this si what i said during the election but people kept telling me about the stupid sponsorship scandal
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Old May 03, 06
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siiiigh, this si what i said during the election but people kept telling me about the stupid sponsorship scandal
Hey man, I was on the same page as you. I totally wanted liberal back in before the tories, but alas, it didn't happen.
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NDP! ohhhh, or Clinton should come run Canada! That would be cool!

Everything that changed doesn't really effect me that much as of today. But I know it will. I can't really comment a whole lot cuz I don't know everything going on.

Gas should be cheaper, same with taxes. Fuck rich people, why do they need more tax breaks? The military should get some flow but not as much as they are going to get. Canada needs to be protected with what the States are doing but fuck we best not get dragged into it anymore then we already are! I don't want to see the money go towards that.

They should just keep the money and lower taxes. Fuck everything would be so much easier. Stupid government.
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NDP! ohhhh, or Clinton should come run Canada! That would be cool!

Everything that changed doesn't really effect me that much as of today. But I know it will. I can't really comment a whole lot cuz I don't know everything going on.

Gas should be cheaper, same with taxes. Fuck rich people, why do they need more tax breaks? The military should get some flow but not as much as they are going to get. Canada needs to be protected with what the States are doing but fuck we best not get dragged into it anymore then we already are! I don't want to see the money go towards that.

They should just keep the money and lower taxes. Fuck everything would be so much easier. Stupid government.
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if you are concerned, do a little light reading on the situation.
the changes that have been occuring effect everyone, immediately -
whether it appears that way or not.

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Omg, for the most part I am just joking around.
And yea it doesn't effect me much of today, its only a proposal so far. I know it will, but I don't really fall into many categories of what is happening.

Like Carlos said, am I the only one that feels .5% richer?
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Increased military spending and decreased taxes on the rich.

BOY DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING.

At the very least the conservatives are consistent.
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