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Old May 22, 06
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That line was crossed a looooooooooooong time ago, by Amerisrael.

Yes, yes it was.

What Im trying to find is the records of usage of depleted uranium tipped bullets and white phosphorous in Afghanistgan.
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Yes, yes it was.

What Im trying to find is the records of usage of depleted uranium tipped bullets and white phosphorous in Afghanistgan.
They don't really keep records of the infinite.
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Old May 22, 06
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The guy i know who did it had huge power issues. He was the type who always talked about how tough he was and preoccupied himself with fighting and alligning himself into his clique. I remember the last night before he left to goto boot camp in California he was drunk and people were making fun of him for talking up his hardcore tryouts for the Marines. He ended up stumbling around yelling at everyone, "fuck you all, im a fucking marine! A MARINE!!"

Now almost 2 years later he's getting ready to be shipped off to Iraq. No doubt he has grown alot since he left and ive heard that he regrets joining up a little. He ended up having his gf move down too and they got married. They are both so young, him 23 and her 18. It's just sad to see him go off to Iraq at this point in his life. Hopefully it all ends well and he comes back safe.
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The guy i know who did it had huge power issues. He was the type who always talked about how tough he was and preoccupied himself with fighting and alligning himself into his clique. I remember the last night before he left to goto boot camp in California he was drunk and people were making fun of him for talking up his hardcore tryouts for the Marines. He ended up stumbling around yelling at everyone, "fuck you all, im a fucking marine! A MARINE!!"

Now almost 2 years later he's getting ready to be shipped off to Iraq. No doubt he has grown alot since he left and ive heard that he regrets joining up a little. He ended up having his gf move down too and they got married. They are both so young, him 23 and her 18. It's just sad to see him go off to Iraq at this point in his life. Hopefully it all ends well and he comes back safe.
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Old May 22, 06
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After the incident's like the ones discussed here i'm sure the Iraqi people hate the American presence in their country more and more. And with that much hate more and more people will be fighting back i know i wouldn't wanna be in a situation where i was going against someone who was more then willing to die for their cause.
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After the incident's like the ones discussed here i'm sure the Iraqi people hate the American presence in their country more and more. And with that much hate more and more people will be fighting back i know i wouldn't wanna be in a situation where i was going against someone who was more then willing to die for their cause.
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Old May 22, 06
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After the incident's like the ones discussed here i'm sure the Iraqi people hate the American presence in their country more and more. And with that much hate more and more people will be fighting back i know i wouldn't wanna be in a situation where i was going against someone who was more then willing to die for their cause.
No doubt. Especially one that is fully prepared to get into a truck laden with explosives and drive right into the center of your platoon before you can shoot out the tires.

It is the same desperation that is going on in Afghanistan. And the same style of smear. In Iraq they called them the "insurgency" and in Afghanistan they label anyone who fights back - a member of the Taliban. Im sure its quite a moment when Canadian, US,British and Dutch soldiers sweep up after a fire fight. I wonder if the same things go through their head, as Israeli soldiers in Palestine, when they notice that half the dead are kids, and a portion of them female too.

Its goes without saying (in my belief) and in the face of opinion that current war and occupation abroad is both a War on Terror and somehow an instillation of democracy at the same time - That if you bomb, harrass, shoot, raid, blow away, torture, inprison a population long enough and consistant enough, they will all become what the west likes to define as a "terrorist"

In turn this transformation of a population leads to exceptional violence returned upon the invading force. Soldiers who where lied to from the start, dismayed, demoralized, fearful, confused and disanchanted may have become soldiers who eventually dropped their arms, and turned their back on their imperialist orders but as the return of extreme violence lands on their heads, and their comrades all chance of redemption is lost.

Thats the fucking reality. Regular people, with similair lives, forced to kill each other because of a few small subhumans in power and in roles of financial domination.

In case you ever wondered(probably not:)), or anyone else, this is why I lose my shit at times on ignorant, fearmongering, racist, immature, hyper-individualized, egomaniac, pride drunk assholes who do not take the time to read/research/talk more than a few glib sentences and GET INVOLVED.

This in some part why I(who learned from others) believe that you are either oppressing or being oppressed. You may not be pulling the trigger, dropping the cluster bomb, ordering the military, controlling the multinational, enforcing the law of property, or running the country, but if you aint calling them out, your laying the pick on someone who is.

Anyone who tells you that Afghanistan has nothing in common with Iraq is going to have one hell of a time facing the mirror two years from now.
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Old May 22, 06
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i almost anticipate the fall of north america.
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I run into cats like you everyday in person. People who come to an event shouting their apathy to the world, chip on their shoulder the size of a truck, and cynacism oozing from every pore. Im always amazed at the reactions I get from these people as they all consistently boast about how they could care less. If they could care less, then why did they engage in the first place?
Don't give me that bullshit, I'm not your fucking enemy. You're right horrrendous things need to be addressed. How many articles have you pushed out though? 50? 100? And to what end? You're doing what, opening the worlds eyes to the unjust wests ways? Fuck no. You're no better then cnn or any of the news agencies you have a beef with. You go on preaching your holier-then-thou negativity hate game - shepherd your narrowminded sheep.

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Its simple mate you're oppressing or being oppressed. It may not seem like that now, but eventaully the polarization of the west will no longer be able to be hidden and in this context there is no "middle ground" or "abstaning opinion."
Only time will tell. Until time proves otherwise, have fun being a martyr.
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Old May 22, 06
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Why do these threads always end up some big alpha dog ego battle.

Just watch the clip, state an opinion without attacking anyone and live.
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Old May 22, 06
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Don't give me that bullshit, I'm not your fucking enemy. You're right horrrendous things need to be addressed. How many articles have you pushed out though? 50? 100? And to what end? You're doing what, opening the worlds eyes to the unjust wests ways? Fuck no. You're no better then cnn or any of the news agencies you have a beef with. You go on preaching your holier-then-thou negativity hate game - shepherd your narrowminded sheep.


Only time will tell. Until time proves otherwise, have fun being a martyr.
I expected this response 100% but do me one favour and read the following atleast once, before either putting down another rebuttal, getting involved in socio-politcal organzing or simply ignoring me>>>

You based an assessment on only my words, which could be (and are) a small fraction of what I am involved with (and what I was NOT attempting to emphasize!!)

I do not write editorial/academic prose. I am far too unintelligent to write in such as style, but more importantly because I am working on balancing a responsibility of educating oneself, with an equally important need to be active in organizing and a development of strong organizational methodology. (this process is contrary to being an "academic")

I didn’t call you out because an infantile need to big up a fragile ego, I did it because of your cynicism and apathy conveyed through your words.

-I believe that 99% percent of humans are decent loving people.

-I believe that at least 60% of decent loving people are heavily entrenched in some form of significant lack of involvement/action due to a one form or another of demoralization, reactionary behavior in the form of working in conventional political structure/the military or any state administration apparatus.

-I believe less 30% percent of decent loving people are active is some sort of activity to develop themselves politically in the course of creating grassroots movements.

-I believe that 50% of people who are NOT decent loving people are part the ruling class, government administrator, a tool or pawn and or a significant multinational executive

-I believe the other 50% of people who are NOT decent loving people are only as a result of being so far gone in their hate/apathy/cynicism.

So really when it comes down to it these estimate only MEAN:

The reason there isn’t exponential growth of a movement or movements for instilling social justice in this country ATM, are because the populations that are not involved in some shape or form. This in some part due to demoralization, cynicism, apathy, inactivity, or some involvement in reactionary organizing. All of these realities are then utilized by the those who benefit from oppression, AS significant roadblocks for those who fight to resist further oppression.

If you manage to read this a couple of times (before falling asleep :)) you'll understand why im saying the things I do, to you.

Or if you are up to meeting up and chatting personally, ill buy the first beer or coffee.

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Old May 22, 06
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Why do these threads always end up some big alpha dog ego battle.

Just watch the clip, state an opinion without attacking anyone and live.

your making too many assumptions. Education in light of current realities are rendered irrelevent if there is no application of subsequent enlightment to the betterment of humanity.

[usual fable speak] why the fuck would you spend all the time you do researching or reading what you do if it is only for yourself? Thats egotistical and selfish and for the most part such sentiment is syntheticaly implanted in the hearts and minds of people.
(rhetorical statement not directed at you specifically)

this has nothing to do with your generalizations of alpha male egoness. Although such behaviour would be extremely reactionary.

Fuck the precedent. Getting in purposeful debate no matter how heated is neccessary.

my mantra at the moment (and one that is kicking my ass atm) is to:
DEVELOP ONESELF, WITHOUT MAKING IT ABOUT ONESELF.

and enough references to "attacking people!" Its a chatboard for fucks sake

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Old May 22, 06
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-I believe that 99% percent of humans are decent loving people.

:285: You ever met a human before ?
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Old May 22, 06
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-I believe that 99% percent of humans are decent loving people.

:285: You ever met a human before ?
Decent loving human beings can still wear masks or be severely conditioned into apathy/cynicism/distrust/sectarianism.
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Old May 22, 06
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fable I think you need to take a deep breath and step back from the computer. we don't need a bunch of essays haha
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Old May 22, 06
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fable I think you need to take a deep breath and step back from the computer. we don't need a bunch of essays haha
you need to get some new material :)
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Heres a few links from some peripheral research on mental health/ suicide related issues revolving around the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...50C0A9629C8B63

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...isorders_x.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12428185/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in593160.shtml

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5334479/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...des-usat_x.htm

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121704X.shtml

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/n...ory_30385.html

http://xpress.sfsu.edu/archives/tech/005653.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1216-10.htm

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9993

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/inde...s-veterans.xml

http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?R...n=Central_Asia

http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/facts/veter..._audience.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ws/heart/view/

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiat...Stress/tb/2763


If anyone has any links to solid editorial or scholarly articles, magazines, newspapers, movies, research papers, school research revolving around current wars/occupations and is down for sharing, hit me up please.
:127: 1/2 them linx no worky g.

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Old May 22, 06
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:127: 1/2 them linx no worky g.
hmm, they all work for me.

1/2 is better that none?
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hmm, they all work for me.

1/2 is better that none?
WTF !? They work here but not on other forums I posted them on.

Weird, must be filtered by by those forums or something.
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Old May 23, 06
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Those with power have a right and an obligation to project it. Whether that means free social services for all or death to whoever the fuck we feel like. Those who work to stop war and oppression are trying to project their preceived power on others. It's all the same thing, people feel strongly about something and want to make other people follow in line with them.
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Old May 23, 06
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* We Need To Boycott The Usa *

How do you write about something so unbelievably horrific?
If what Macbeth says is true, then America has opened themselves up for terrorist attacks for the next thousand years. It's just sickening to think that innocent women and children are being murdered for an unjust cause; what would be a legitimate cause to kill innocent human beings?
O Canada...We have been dragged into this never ending war and we sit back idle, content with our daily struggle, our petty materialism, our selfish egoism.
I feel so proud to hear Macbeth speak out against the brutality commited in Iraq, his honest account of what took place and his open plee to soldiers to not continue to participate in random murder.
I think Canada needs to do something very radical;
* WE NEED TO BOYCOTT THE USA *
Fable is right, 3057321C(whatever than means?) is right.
There is something we can do, we can stop supporting trade with a facist country. An embargo with our largest trading partner would severely cripple Canada, but would render the admiration of other nations for centuries. It's time to stop living on our knees!
How am I going to participate? I live in Japan. This country is incredibly conservative. Example: no freedom of expression in Public schools whatsoever. That means: a strict dresscode, no earings, no watches, no makeup, etc. By the time these young adults hit University (which is another strenuous task) the individual will is weakened into submission. No, the Japanese will not support Canada if we boycott the USA.
What am I going to do?
I am going to do something I should have done a long time ago. I am going to start using the machine against itself. I have some resources at my disposal I am going to start doing something progressive towards educating people about the evils that are going on.
I believe that we need to start changing this "killing is alright," mentality.
IT IS NOT ALRIGHT TO KILL!
To the those critics such as ;Goat & Doom: You are entitled to your opinion. But I see how you're playing the devils advocate (trolling). Maybe this was acceptable then, but now that there is a war going on for control of our beliefs, you're reckless comments are furthering the views taken by the enemy.

So folks, just do something, get involved, stop buying made in the USA. research the product, stop selling to the USA for profit, we gotta stop the war fund. Peace.

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3057321C(whatever than means?) is right.
es·o·ter·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-trk)
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    2. Of or relating to that which is known by a restricted number of people.
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es·o·ter·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-trk)
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    2. Of or relating to that which is known by a restricted number of people.
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    2. Not publicly disclosed; confidential.
She might not have needed that if you hadn't written it like a 14-year-old who just discavirred teh interweb.
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Old May 23, 06
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Those with power have a right and an obligation to project it. Whether that means free social services for all or death to whoever the fuck we feel like. Those who work to stop war and oppression are trying to project their preceived power on others. It's all the same thing, people feel strongly about something and want to make other people follow in line with them.
Projection of powers? Interesting. Perhaps its time to crawl out of spider man #3452 special edition, and join the world of the REAL.

DOOM is funny AND stupid :)
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