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Old Jun 03, 06
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6/6/6 foiled ?

Me thinx not.
i'm hoping that it is! if it's anything like 9/11 there will be no planes in the air afterwards, and i'm flying the next day!
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Old Jun 03, 06
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i'm hoping that it is! if it's anything like 9/11 there will be no planes in the air afterwards, and i'm flying the next day!
:076: Good luck.
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Old Jun 03, 06
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hey blake...



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Old Jun 03, 06
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hahah...



i make custom tinfoil hats.. anyone?
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Old Jun 03, 06
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Good thing I was born in Canuckistan.
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Old Jun 03, 06
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i make custom tinfoil hats.. anyone?
Tinfoil doesn't stop the signals, it amplifies them, n008.
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Old Jun 03, 06
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Didn't you get the memo ... canada is the 53rd state.
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Old Jun 03, 06
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Didn't you get the memo ... canada is the 53rd state.
No, that's Israel.
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Old Jun 03, 06
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ah silly me. :P

just wait...we're next.
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Old Jun 03, 06
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ah silly me. :P

just wait...we're next.
We're #5 on the Terra list.

Everyone but Australia and us have been hit.
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Old Jun 03, 06
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hey fable, ryan (blunted) and i saw you at that MAWO protest a few weeks ago (days?) where you guys were outside on robson street. only a few blocks from my apartment. was on my way to work and couldn't stop and say hello.

A couple of weeks ago? Perhaps it was the Immigration rights rally (saturday may 27, in the afternoon, with a long march down robson?) I was running around snapping pictures all day. Its nice to have a camera again.

The event was organized by the STATUS coallition (stopwar, haiti solidarity bc, no one is illegal, the ndp....)

It went off fairly well, and strong connections where built, and lots of conversations were had. Hopefully we'll bmp into eachother soon.

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Old Jun 03, 06
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hahah...
i make custom tinfoil hats.. anyone?
HAHAHAH!....wait a minute thats played :(
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Old Jun 03, 06
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A couple of weeks ago? Perhaps it was the Immigration rights rally (saturday may 27, in the afternoon, with a long march down robson?) I was running around snapping pictures all day. Its nice to have a camera again.

The event was organized by the STATUS coallition (stopwar, haiti solidarity bc, no one is illegal, the ndp....)

It went off fairly well, and strong connections where built, and lots of conversations were had. Hopefully we'll bmp into eachother soon.

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shak
yeah, a couple of weeks meaning, like, two. it was that protest, but i saw an MAWO banner, and there was some lady reading a speech.
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Old Jun 04, 06
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The term "mainstream radical Islam" stems from Islamaphobic terminology that has now become entrenched as structural/institutional racism.
I fail to see the correlation between my statement and "Islamaphobic terminology." Maybe i could if i was refferring to the Islamic religion as radical but as we all know that is not the case. There are many types of people who practice this faith.

By "radical islam," i mean the people who feel oppressed by the US unilateral efforts in the post-cold war era. US and Russian funded proxy wars that tore apart the region left, obviously, contentious feelings. US in Iraq/Iran and Russia in Afghanistan.

Invading Iraq was the last catalyst into creating the view that Islam was under attack by Western nations. Now you have kids, such as in this article above, taking up arms. Possibly disillusioned in there own lives, compacted by the news and events in the world = mainstream radical islam. Radical because they feel the need to protect their religion in such ways. Mainstream because it seems to be proliferating amoungst the young suburban youth.

Now if i was using this as an umbrella term then i can see how you could draw links between my statement and the xenophobic arm of the neocon media complex. No we are not going to argue semantics on the terms. No i am not calling islam radical.
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Old Jun 04, 06
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I fail to see the correlation between my statement and "Islamaphobic terminology." Maybe i could if i was refferring to the Islamic religion as radical but as we all know that is not the case. There are many types of people who practice this faith.

By "radical islam," i mean the people who feel oppressed by the US unilateral efforts in the post-cold war era. US and Russian funded proxy wars that tore apart the region left, obviously, contentious feelings. US in Iraq/Iran and Russia in Afghanistan.

Invading Iraq was the last catalyst into creating the view that Islam was under attack by Western nations. Now you have kids, such as in this article above, taking up arms. Possibly disillusioned in there own lives, compacted by the news and events in the world = mainstream radical islam. Radical because they feel the need to protect their religion in such ways. Mainstream because it seems to be proliferating amoungst the young suburban youth.

Now if i was using this as an umbrella term then i can see how you could draw links between my statement and the xenophobic arm of the neocon media complex. No we are not going to argue semantics on the terms. No i am not calling islam radical.

I totally hear you bro, so theres no need to clarify. But heres my reasoning on why Im so sensitive to the terminology:

Using "Radical Islam" in any fashion, or context is reactionary. Just because you or I understand the significant differences amongst what are truth and what is propaganda (for the purpose of breeding anti-middle eastern/muslim sentiment), doesn’t mean that other people won’t take such phrases and run with them.

I don’t disagree that there are individuals/groups out there undertaking atrocious acts,in such a state of desperation as a result of what they're respective nations have gone through because of Western Imperialism/Capitalism,and never have.

BUT, in the context that we currently face, we can talk about semantics all we want, but language becomes ultimately far more important. The phrase "Radical Islam" had/has a specific, and definitive purpose, that has been enacted long before your use of the phrase. "Radical Islam" relates to the idea of "Good Muslim vs. Bad Muslim" It dissolves the barriers between a political manifestation of a religion and a cultural one. It attaches violent or reactive action to specific theology.

With saying this (and Im sure you already understand) people need to really understand the significant difference between:

>A nation/group/individual reacting violently to a history of oppression and congruently holding rigidly onto a faith as a result of having no significant morale left.

and

>A specific theology dictating that a nation/group/individual react violently.

There is NO Radical theology in Islam, there is only radical personal interpretations of Islam.

But the fusion of these two, as remarked earlier, was a process undertaken by western national administrations and their mainstream media as a means to symbolize/demonize what essentially were reactions to western imperialism/capitalism to gain the support of western populations. As a product of this manipulation, domestic populations of middle eastern/Muslim peoples felt the backlash. National administration or the mainstream media has not countered this, because what is demonized on the home front, is amplified in foreign territory thus perhaps strengthening the public support of current war+occupation.

PRIME EXAMPLE: Canada in Afghanistan

Racism is born of a Ruling/Capitalist class injecting synthetic anti-ethnic sentiment into a population as a means of scapgoating/alienation or islolation as a means to garner support for a specific action. The racist ideaology behind the phrase "Radical Islam" is the means to deflect the true nature of imperialist endevours onto a human face. In this point in time, that human face, is brown,belongs to adult males in there mid twenties, and practise the teachings if Islam.


ps. How is Italy treating you? Rome? Verona? Trieste? Why are you there? Travel? Studies? Partying? All of the above? Whats the general vibe of people over there in terms of what is going on in the middle east, latin america, africa etc etc?

pc.ez
shak
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Old Jun 05, 06
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Totally almost related thought...

I read an entire article by I.V. Lenin today...
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Old Jun 05, 06
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"There is NO Radical theology in Islam, there is only radical personal interpretations of Islam."

Glad we are in agreance then heh.

Ok i wrote out a big reply but the f'in fnk timed me out so it got erased when attempting to post. I'll make this brief

Roma is beautiful. It's daunting to stand at the base of Constantine's statue, considering all that happened during his reign.

The Italians are very involved in their political system. Italia just moved back from a single member plurality to a stv type system. It's amazing how many parties they have. In Prodi's centre-left coalition, there is everything from pro-catholic parties to a communista party. My buddie's girlfriend is italian and studying journalism. She is far leftist and so are her friends. During the recent civic election in Roma they had big vans driving around with music and megaphones as well as teenagers handing out pamplets. Greenpeace is all over the piazza i goto school. All week mon-fri. I meet all types of people from all denominations. I met this one dude who was in the Isreali army for 5 years and even did time in Lebannon. According to him there never was a palestinian homeland. It's definately interesting hearing everyones belief system and point of view.
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Old Jun 05, 06
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Agreed, I see where your coming from. I think the word alleged is used primarily as a guarding term for the press. It allows them to point fingers without fully comitting to a stance since everyone is suppose to be innocent until proven guilty.

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Im more of the opinion of Sidekick. Although a tad fecicious my example was speaking more in terms of racial profiling and how "explosives," and related terminology almost come with tag that has a picture of a mid twenties-middle eastern man on it.

When i hear the words fertilizer, and alleged(atleast 5 times) in the same article, i grow very, very skeptical.

You and I both don't have all the information, but which line we choose to follow in terms of forming an opinion is important. A lot of things in large quantities can be explosive, a lot of things can be alleged, and a lot of young people could be agressive and radical. I am not saying that people who are genuinely suspected should be free to go, but we must examine the nature of "suspect," always, and in an environment where anti-muslim/aram sentiment is synthetically breeded, its imperative that we analyze far further than reading a newspaper article.
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Old Jun 06, 06
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Daily Times - Site Edition Monday, June 05, 2006 Police planted evidence: Terrorists’ arrest in Toronto was a sting operation
* No evidence suspects planned to attack US

By Khalid Hasan


WASHINGTON: The three tonnes of ammonium nitrate found with the Totonto terrorism suspects was planted by the police in an elaborate sting operation.

According to Toronto Star, “Sources say investigators who had learned of the group’s alleged plan to build a bomb were controlling the sale and transport of the massive amount of fertiliser, a key component in creating explosives. Once the deal was done, the RCMP-led anti-terrorism task force moved in for the arrests.” At the news conference held by the police, there was no mention of the sting operation. Among the intended targets of the group, one report said, was the Parliament in Ottawa and the headquarters of Canada’s premier spy agency.

The 12 adults charged are: Fahim Ahmad, 21; Jahmaal James, 23; Amin Mohamed Durrani, 19; and Steven Vikash Chand, 25, all of Toronto; Zakaria Amara, 20; Asad Ansari, 21; Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30; Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, 21; Saad Khalid, 19; and Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43, all of Mississauga; and Mohammed Dirie, 22 and Yasin Abdi Mohamed, 24. Six of the 12 suspects lived in the Toronto suburb of Mississauga, four came from Toronto and two from the town of Kingston in Ontario. The last two are already in custody on a gun smuggling charge.

The police also arrested five youngsters but their identities or names have not bee made public. At a court hearing in Toronto on Saturday, all the suspects were produced and Canadian newspapers published photographs of head-to-toe, black burqa clad group of women said to belong to the one or more of the families of the men arrested. One whose face was visible looked like a Pakistani. Several of the men, photographed as they were being brought in police cars, were bearded.

The charges include participating in or contributing to the activity of a terrorist group, including training and recruitment; providing or making available property for terrorist purposes; and the commission of indictable offences, including firearms and explosives offences for the benefit of or in association with a terrorist group.

According to the Toronto Star report, “Anser Farooq, a lawyer who represents five of the accused, pointed at snipers on the roof of the courthouse and said, “This is ridiculous. They’ve got soldiers here with guns. This is going to completely change the atmosphere. I think the police cast their net far too wide,” he said.

According to the Globe and Mail, defence lawyer Rocco Galati, who was representing some of the suspects, protested the intense security measures at the court. Galati later scoffed at the allegations. “I’ve seen fertiliser for the last eight years,” he said.

Aly Hindy, a Toronto imam, said he knew several of the accused because they prayed at his mosque but said they were not terrorists. “The charges are to keep George Bush happy, that’s all,” he added sardonically. The Globe and Mail did not mention that all incriminating evidence had been planted on the suspects.

AP adds: US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said there was no indication that the arrested were trying to plan an attack in the United States. “We certainly don’t believe that there’s any link to the United States, but obviously we will follow up,” said Rice. “I think we will get whatever information we need,” she said. “But it’s obviously a great success for the Canadians. They’re to be congratulated for it."






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