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Old Jul 24, 06
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Jan Bulis the current newest canuck

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=172209&hubname=nhl

hot karl likey. i been eyeing this guy as a cheap add on with some ok 3rd liner scoring.

1.3 for the year is plenty fair. 40pts type o' guy.

i just wanted us to upgrade our 3rd lines, provided we could keep carter. but right now chouinard, pyatt and bulis are significant upgrades from our bums past the 2nd line.

if nonis can get carter back without breaking the bank, and i think the longer it takes the better chance of it. especially with tdot signing peca.

but talk is cheap, we'll see where htis team sits cap wise.

according to tsn:
Roberto Luongo $6 million
Markus Naslund $6 million
Daniel Sedin $3.575 million
Henrik Sedin $3.575 million
Mattias Ohlund $3.5 million
Willie Mitchell $3.5 million
Brendan Morrison $3.2 million
Matt Cooke $1.5 million
Sami Salo $1.5 million
Jan Bulis $1.3 million
Marc Chouinard $1.1 million
Taylor Pyatt $700,000

grand total=35.45million

apparently this doesn't include 2 way contracts. so ear mark 2million for rookies etc like burrows/reid/king/kesler.
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Old Jul 24, 06
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Our team looks like crap :(
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Old Jul 24, 06
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^ i have mixed feelings but i don't like the fact were at 35 million and we don't have top right winger or second line right winger.

In my opinion the first 2 lines should be the first to get signed.

than again its all about managing the money too which usually means the first 2 lines cost the most.

I do like our defence though.

i have mixed feelings.. i still don't think luongo should be makin more than 6 though. i think 5 or 5.5 would have been the maximum for the first year with an increase the next season and so on
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Old Jul 25, 06
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You like our defense? Besides Mattias Ohlund and Sami Salo, what's to like?
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Old Jul 25, 06
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dont mind that pick at all!! he had career season last yr while playin wit a buncha plumbers! Not to mention us re-signin Goren and a couple more no namers whos names I forgot but there was another Jan lol
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Old Jul 25, 06
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You like our defense? Besides Mattias Ohlund and Sami Salo, what's to like?
I meant including luongo.

Ohlund, Salo and Luongo should be pretty solid. And mitchell is a pretty good stay at home defencemen. I do think he is getting a little too mu ch though
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Old Jul 25, 06
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Ya its a good acquisition, I think he'd play nice along side cooke. ohlund salo lungo mitchell , yeah I think that may prove to be a good combo.. you only really need 2 solid D lines. All we need is luongo to shut the door and the canucks can pull off 2-3 goals to get wins no prob. Just as long as we have Carter, without him the sedins will lose their magic I think. Then Naslund might play good with chouinard I think.. Who knows, either way It'll be interesting.
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Old Jul 25, 06
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I'm just going to call it right now. Morrison will have a career season making you all look like bitches.
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Old Jul 25, 06
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You like our defense? Besides Mattias Ohlund and Sami Salo, what's to like?
Mitchell is solid as a defenceman. What's not to like?
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Old Jul 25, 06
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I'm just going to call it right now. Morrison will have a career season making you all look like bitches.
Agreed I see Morrison having a very good season as long as he is fully recovered..
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Old Jul 25, 06
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Old Jul 25, 06
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Mitchell is solid as a defenceman. What's not to like?
The other three, and the fact I think you're wrong about Mitchell.

And I hope we're not banking all our chips on Brendan Morrison finally having a consistent offensive year. Recipe for disaster.
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Old Jul 25, 06
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The other three, and the fact I think you're wrong about Mitchell.

And I hope we're not banking all our chips on Brendan Morrison finally having a consistent offensive year. Recipe for disaster.
Do you have any reason to suggest that Mitchell isn't the goods or is it just a hunch?

He was +19 last season with over 20 minutes a game. Again what's not to like?
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Old Jul 25, 06
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And I hope we're not banking all our chips on Brendan Morrison finally having a consistent offensive year. Recipe for disaster.
Would be nice if he miraculously got some goal scoring talent, don't think that'll ever happen though.
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Old Jul 26, 06
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^ meh if he can setup naslund like he was in 2002. Naslund can have finally hit the 50 goal mark which he almost had in 2002.

i think bulis maybe play on the second line if nonis can't sign carter.

I don't htink morrison will have a career year but he might be better than he was last year.. shouldn't be that hard.

p.s: grapes whats wrong with the other three. u talking about the third and four pair of d or like ohlund and company. true we don't have an offensive defensemen now beside salo but ohlund is good for abotu 13 or 14 goals and solid d.

i think we'll be alright if we can get one top winger to work with naslund and morisson
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Old Jul 26, 06
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p.s: grapes whats wrong with the other three. u talking about the third and four pair of d or like ohlund and company. true we don't have an offensive defensemen now beside salo but ohlund is good for abotu 13 or 14 goals and solid d.
The other three.

Of course I love Ohlund and Salo. No brainer.

I might not be as impressed with Mitchell as some other people but he's an NHL defenseman.

That makes 3.

Who are the other 3?
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Old Jul 26, 06
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The other three.

Of course I love Ohlund and Salo. No brainer.

I might not be as impressed with Mitchell as some other people but he's an NHL defenseman.

That makes 3.

Who are the other 3?
If the season started today they would be filling in those ranks with the likes of Kevin Bieksa, Luc Bourdon, Sven Butenschon, and Lucas Krajicek. They will add one or two more veterans before the season starts though.

Also what's the deal with Artem Chubarov? He has never shown a lot of offensive flair but was good in face off's and solid on D.
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Old Jul 26, 06
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We don't need more than 3 solid d men. we have luongo for a reason.

mitchell is solid as a stay at home d, salo will put up good numbers. ohlund is just ohlund.

the other three shouldn't matter too too much in my opinion, but i think they are weinrich, sean brown, and that krajik or whatever dude
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Old Jul 26, 06
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We don't need more than 3 solid d men. we have luongo for a reason.

mitchell is solid as a stay at home d, salo will put up good numbers. ohlund is just ohlund.

the other three shouldn't matter too too much in my opinion, but i think they are weinrich, sean brown, and that krajik or whatever dude
Weinrich and Brown are free agents.
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Old Jul 26, 06
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i figured weinrich was a one season rental.

either way i think we have solid d, and i don't think the d men below the top 4 are a liability
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Lol Lol Lol. Apparently half your defense doesn't matter anymore. Pre-season optimism springs eternal.

Just because Luongo is used to facing 50+ shots a game, dosen't mean that should be our overriding strategy.

Hopefully Bourdon is a gamer.
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Old Jul 26, 06
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I didn't say it doesn't matter I said its not a liability. As in you don't need your third and fourth pair of d to be superstars.

they don't play nearly as much as the top two lines, and they aren't expected to put up good numbers. Just play some d.

even if luongo isn't as good as projected we still have a solid two pairs of d in front of him.

mitchell, ohlund and salo is a pretty solid group.

"Pre-season optimism springs eternal."

that isn't pre-season optimism i believe this for every team in the NHL. I believe past your top 4 its not nearly as important for the rest of the d. especially if your goalie is projected to be an elite goalie. even if he hasn't played a single post season game.

u think i'm a canuck fan first before a hockey fan.
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u think i'm a canuck fan first before a hockey fan.
Canucks fan all the way.
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Old Jul 26, 06
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"Pre-season optimism springs eternal. "

I was basically saying everything I said wasn't because of optimism for the Canucks. Its not hope its what I believe based on what I know about hockey.

Anywho continue on.

Bulis could always put up career numbers with the sedins
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As in you don't need your third and fourth pair of d to be superstars.

they don't play nearly as much as the top two lines, and they aren't expected to put up good numbers. Just play some d.

even if luongo isn't as good as projected we still have a solid two pairs of d in front of him.
I still don't know where you're getting two solid pairs from. I see one solid pair.. possibly a third player in Mitchell.. who pairs up with him to be solid? A journeyman like butenshon? A completely green player like Bourdon? The corpse of Eric Weinrich?

And Kenji, even IF this setup is considered sufficient, what the F happens when one or more D-men go down injured?

Sorry, but to go from Jovo, Ohlund, Salo, Sopel, Allen, Malik or Baumgartner to Ohlund, Salo, Mitchell, journeyman, rookie, corpse just does not seem like a drift in the right direction to me.
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