Att: Females Only

Originally Posted by ppcock

as i have already apologized;

dj schools + lazy people = cash grab.

good on them, bad on the people who spend the dough when they could be buying records or equipment.

I noticed the apology after I posted.

I see your point about it being a cash grab. But as Maggie said, it is business. And Leanne and Christian are making a business off what they are good at. Just like promoters make money off of throwing shows, and DJ's make money off of playing for an hour.

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by MissMarz

there are schools for everything. the music industry is a business. if you're not being sexist, then you're just being ignorant at the theory behind business.

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - Hunter S. Thompson

[MissMarz]

ey... good or bad,
business is business. lol

[mekim]

anyone who goes through a dj school probably isn't going to be enough of a scenester to make it in the vancouver nightlife business.

[ppcock]

and there it is.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by bravo911

On behalf of all 'civil' males i apologize for this. It seems that we have a little bit of an ignorant fool on our hands. I'm all for this event. I say it's great! We should have more females spinnin'. One thing ppcock hasnt done is his research. Women fundamentally make better DJ's, if only because they have a better ability 'on average' to keep track of many things simultaneously. I bet a woman could probably handle more tables than a man at one time given that they had the same amount of experience. I think it's a shame that there are not more women mixing their shit. Miss Marz, i've seen you play. It rocks. (Got some footage from Summer Break too!)

feel free to boot this chump in the nuts for being an idiot. I'd rather see a female dj take lessons than an ignorant fool voice his opinion.

"tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

George Eliot

That said I'm not entirely disagreeing with what you are saying. Marty did come off as an ass. As for women fundamentally making better DJ's I will have to take exception. With regards to music and art I think a persons gender has little if any bearing on their ability or talent.

More than anything this just looks like a pathetic attempt to score some feminist points. If you really were so liberated you could sit back with the confidence to know that these women can easily defend themselves in this matter.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

Are you interested in learning how to DJ? Do you know the basics, but still want to learn more about DJing and the industry?

This is a very special message I wanted to send to you as I know what it's like to attempted DJ'ing in a very intimidating male dominant industry. This event is aimed primarily for women (and men who are nice) who are interested in learning more about DJing and to show case some of Vancouver's local female talent in a fun club environment.


Your welcome to contact myself or Etel of BB Events for more information and g-list.
Etel: [email protected]
Rhia: [email protected]



Due to circumstance beyond our control, BB Events has had to find an alternative venue for this event...and found a spot that's even better than the original! You haven't seen anything like this, DO NOT MISS THIS EVENT!

NEW VENUE: DIAVOLO LOUNGE, 1240 RICHARDS STREET
Date: Friday, November 24, 2006.
Doors: 10:00 pm

Come down early for a compimentary bevvy and loungy build towards the beat throwdown by 3 of Vancouver's hottest ladies on deck:

DJ VERONICA, MISS MARZ and RHIANNON!

Good on you girls!

[Akeel]

Originally Posted by ppcock

dude, i've been spinning longer than you.
with many genres under my belt. So thanks!

lol, all those years and your still smashing trains, eh marty?

i agree with you about dj schools - straight whack, but how long someones been playing doesnt mean jack.

[cubed]

^I was about to say the same thing, if anyone could use a little guidance it would be marty.

[LastWerd]

Originally Posted by bravo911

Anyone can learn to drive. Yet there is still driving school... Do you think that attending a driving school might make you a better driver than if you hadnt attended? If not, then what is the point? and how do they manage to stay in business?

For Marty also:

About school
some people need guidance, they need delegation; rules I guess you could say.
Some people will never get things done unless they are forking out money for it and have an instructor waiting on them. School makes a person make time for the things they want to learn and an instructor is their to help and guide them.

It won't make you better for sure but it will make and teach you how to apply yourself.
School is more of an eye opener towards topics then anything.

[Ree Fresh]

To a degree I can see Marty's point. Im not a huge fan of all girl line ups, (especialy when it turns into a play boy marketing gimic) simply becuase it is techniquely sexist and second, if girls wanted to be good they should be able to battle it out with the guys. However the promoter of this event (female) wants to find out the reason there is such a lack of females gracing the decks compared to men. Many say its becuase women/girls are intimidated by the boys club and their egos. Therefore this event was to modivate and welcome any females who are simply too scared to step out and check it out in a dominated female enviornment.

As for the DJ school, I think its great. I spent over an hour explaing to the promoter of this event the basics of the set up and how it works. A lot of us learned from our friends or heavily re-serched. The school is an opertunity for those who dont know others or want a one-on-one hands on guid to the basics... after that its all practice.

[bravo911]

Originally Posted by ppcock

valid point.... i apologize.

very noble indeed my friend.

[tiedye]

down with dope, up with hope!

[nabs]

I taught myself everything. and for one am glad i did, i picked up my own style and didnt learn by any books. if i needed help figuring out something, ask a friend pretty much. i was thinking of going to the rhythem institute until i actually saw what they offered. and just thought to myself i can teach myself all of that stuff. and I did pretty much in less than a month. and all it takes is practice, LOADS AND LOADS of practice. Just because it takes you a couple minutes to beatmatch a track your first few times, dosent mean you need to go to school to make your beatmatching faster, JUST PRACTICE.

if you wanna learn. then learn. learning yourself will help you set your own style, youll learn how to do things the way your comfortable with doing it, not something thats set by guidelines. im all for giving tips here and there to people that want to learn, but i think dj school is definitly a waste of money.

[tiedye]

^^
some people just don't know where to begin though nabs. You can learn anything on your own if you apply yourself, but some people need some kind of foundation to build upon.

[nabs]

^^
I agree, but why pay people, go to your friends. UNLESS you dont know ANYBODY in the industry. Im pretty sure even the DJ that you know the least would be more than happy to help you. I guess everyoen is different, just dont want people to waste their money, cuz their gonna be doing it afterwards anyways (vinyl, mp3's). expensive hobby already, why make it even more than it needs to be.

and there is a satisfaction of teaching yourself afterwards.

[tiedye]

because there's comfort in the thought of learning from an established source. Our culture is accustomed to it.

[nabs]

^^
i guess that makes sense. it explains why people do it.

im just saying they shouldnt be. its all about finding your on technique, your own style. setting yourself apart from the rest of the million dj's in vancouver.

[tiedye]

that's a little arrogant of you, don't you think, Nabeel?

[nabs]

no, i just think people should believe in themselves more.

i wasent talking about myself, im just saying its a tough business in vancouver especially.

[tiedye]

nice edit ;)

[nabs]

lol... what edit

[ppcock]

I could deffinietly use some guidance jim.

hopefully serato will assist me with that, since there's no dj's here that are particularly good at trance.

[LastWerd]

I want to check out the venue. Got to be at Crowd Control out at the Waldorf tonight though