people who are striking at the colledges

[Ree Fresh]

Originally Posted by Blunted

yeah, i can see why that would suck for you guys. Buts its not like they are all some fat cats who jack off at seeing poor people on the street. In order to pay you that back logged money they would have to make huuuge cuts in other areas, they have budgets to meet and they cant just drop all the other commitments they have just to pay you. Not to be an ass, but you have to look at both sides of the story. I dont know enough details to comment on the college situation (luckily it doesnt have an impact on me), but i say let the people whos education is being sacrificed for a stalemate in negotiations be pissed off, whatever side is to be blammed.

I know your right again... it just keeps climbing the pyramid.
goverment cut backs (keeps/incress their wage)
college must cut back (keeps/incress their wage)
and lill ppl get screwd :(

Not that we know this is the case... im mostly reffering this effect when the first thing Gordon Camble's party did in power was give themselfs a $20,000 raise.

[bl0nde]

Originally Posted by wellbelove's

I find that comment rather ignorant and cruel. Either way someone has to clean your school, scrub your toilet, take care fo the grounds. Doesnt mean you can treat them with dis-respect and judge them.

My dad tells me all the time of students coming out of bcit/sfu with degree's applying for a job at BC hydro. The supervisor claimed everyone one of those students was curently working at supperstore or some other min wage job but could only hire 1 out of 12 fine applicants!!!

Go around and ask the ppl striking... what right do you have to say
"you should of gone to school"?

did u read the brackets... yah it said i said it cuz i was angry.. and yes i am... whoooooo cares u dont have to talk to me like im a peice of dirt thanks. i know whats going on and i have my rights too. and now us students dont even get a study break. and im not direspecting them fuck. its anger/ sarcasm. yah everyone starts at a min wage job... HOW would YOU feel if your grades dropped because of this!.. ive already had to hand in an assignment that we didnt even go over in class.. and i have an exam on thurs but oh! we didnt have class last thurs which was a lab for us to learn what is on the exam....so wtf! douglas has screwed me already.. so that makes me angry too..

[bl0nde]

here lets make it clearer...
The PPL who arent being fair who made the strike start in the first place can.... GO Fuck Themselves!... lolllll:)
there makes more sense

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Blunted

I dont really agree with this... i dont think its selfish of students who paid for an education, and arent recieving that education to be pissed off about it. I dont totally know the situation from the strikers point of view, but i would be pretty pissed if sfu started fucking with my education because of some unions gripes...

I agree.

Holding the public hostage is a lousy way to get people to see your side of things. This is not truly a last resort. A last resort would be realizing you're not getting what you're worth and finding another job. If students are being paid already inflated tuition fees, then something like this is adding insult to injury.

Unions were originally created to combat things like 10 hour work days, child labour and pay that still kept people below the poverty line. It's a shame to see what unions have turned into.

(but you reaaaaaallly don't want me to get started on unions..haha)

[Anjew]

just blame the drunk.

[bl0nde]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

I agree.

Holding the public hostage is a lousy way to get people to see your side of things. This is not truly a last resort. A last resort would be realizing you're not getting what you're worth and finding another job. If students are being paid already inflated tuition fees, then something like this is adding insult to injury.

Unions were originally created to combat things like 10 hour work days, child labour and pay that still kept people below the poverty line. It's a shame to see what unions have turned into.

(but you reaaaaaallly don't want me to get started on unions..haha)

well said

[bl0nde]

wooohooo i got BAD karma... LOL

[Anjew]

what school do u go to.

[bl0nde]

me...? douglas

[~god~]

Fuck that shit.
I've missed a lotta classes by now due to the strike. But look in your binders you bloody idiots; you have course outlines. Pop that shit out and start beating it, cause it tells you what you will be missing. ALSO, if you call your prof's infoline, they will have a long ass voicemail, telling you what to do.

Missing a few points and a few jokes in class - yes. FUCKING WITH YOUR GPA - no.
yuou know that book your teacher made you pay a lot of money for? yeah! open it and read a few pages. thats what he will be talking about.

[bl0nde]

hahah ummm right... if it was that easy we wouldnt have teachers.. buddy! u cant really do LABS at home

[Anjew]

labs aren't hard.
but i mean its just like taking an online course. just grab a book, read and take notes.

[bl0nde]

yes but some ppl.. need to be taught.. fuck. English for example.. is mostly all lecture.. and oh there is no text!

[Prissypants]

hmmm...From a strictly business standpoint, I would be pretty pissed off at the strike too. When I pay money for something I expect to get it. It would be like going into futureshop and paying $6000 for a plasma TV and then never getting it. It is sad, but if it was a business pulling this instead of a college, they would be sued for fraud.

[Anjew]

just be happy it's a rotating strike and not a full strike.
face it. we are just pawns.
we are always pawns in the government's eyes.

[Ree Fresh]

So are you guys getting your classes cut and not made up to you? If so that hella sucks.
I still dont think its fair to blame the strikers. Like I said get involed and find out whats going on. Ive seen them get interviewed and they would be more than happy to explain the situation they ahve been put into.
It's also not fair to tell them to find an other job. My mom left one of her jobs because they sudently cut her sallary. So what happens? They hire ppl who arnt properly educated or trained for it. I think this is what the union is also fighting becasue if they all quite there will always be somone else willing to do the job cheeper. And I think that is wear human rights get violated.

[~god~]

Originally Posted by bl0nde

hahah ummm right... if it was that easy we wouldnt have teachers.. buddy! u cant really do LABS at home

so far we've missed 2 days only.
Labs are all gonna be made up for.

I hear we won't be having a break next week -- just to make up for all the shit we missed.

chill.

[Ree Fresh]

Originally Posted by bl0nde

did u read the brackets... yah it said i said it cuz i was angry.. and yes i am... whoooooo cares u dont have to talk to me like im a peice of dirt thanks. i know whats going on and i have my rights too. and now us students dont even get a study break. and im not direspecting them fuck. its anger/ sarcasm. yah everyone starts at a min wage job... HOW would YOU feel if your grades dropped because of this!.. ive already had to hand in an assignment that we didnt even go over in class.. and i have an exam on thurs but oh! we didnt have class last thurs which was a lab for us to learn what is on the exam....so wtf! douglas has screwed me already.. so that makes me angry too..

I didnt talk to *you* as a piece of dirt... I was refering to your comment. Angry or brackets I dont think thats an excuse to express what you feel. I keep tryign to explain, stop directing your problems to the strickers. Their emplyers have made the choice to let them strike.


Myra does have a good point that striking to the point where it puts ppl's education on the line probly isnt the best and was normaly for the purpose of being treated fairly such as hours of work, breaks, and child labour. However after Gordon Campble contracting out tons of Unions and the example of the loss my union faced... Im sure amny unions feel paranoyed and are trying to take a stand. You should be entiled to a small raise every so years. This is how it was 10-30 years ago. Our generation hasnt had the change to experince this fair kind of emplyment treatment as were growing up in and excepting the hard issues of job emplyment.

[Ree Fresh]

Originally Posted by Prissypants

hmmm...From a strictly business standpoint, I would be pretty pissed off at the strike too. When I pay money for something I expect to get it. It would be like going into futureshop and paying $6000 for a plasma TV and then never getting it. It is sad, but if it was a business pulling this instead of a college, they would be sued for fraud.

like i siad dont balme the strikers... its the ppl who let them strike. They been warning them of a strike for 2 YEARS!!! And their employers have choosen to ignore it and want bargin.

Both you and strikers are not happy with the same ppl. So dirct your problem to the college as their runnign all teh shots here.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by wellbelove's

PS: Instead of complaing why dont you guys go out and suport them!?! How would YOU feel if your job placement was being taken advantage of and a bunch of (selfish) students told you to go fuck yoruself?

They are taking a huge finacial risk to them selfs goign on strike... understand and show some respect for them please and thank you.

lets see... with out us going to school and paying thousands and thousands of dollars they wouldnt have any jobs in the first place... SCREW THEM!!!!

[Anjew]

^^
... wow...
you're in college?
oh wait..
colledge.
my bad.

i'll move on.

[mugsy]

fortunately, my school is not affected by the strike. i was talkin to the tech in my shop in the studio and asking him what he thought of the strike. (hes in the same area as the people striking) he thought it to be kinda obsurd.
my mom is a caretaker - janitor - of schools in the school district here. she took a 6 month course to do her job, and is now making $20\hour. that is pretty good pay for someone with no true further post-secondary education, and she admits to it. everytime her union has stiked for more pay, she misses out on money, and she doesnt agree with the strike.
so basically, not everyone who is striking agrees with what is going on. dont point fingers at them all.
in my grad semester i have been forced to miss 7 classes due to reasons of nature, and none have been made up. i get no extensions, and i can only work on most of my stuff at school. that sucks. at least you guys are having some make up classes. and im sure you can email your professors with questions and theyll help yah out. thats what ended up doing with my english course.
as for the money part, holy shit does it suck to not be aloud to atend something you are paying $2300+ for. i just had to pay $45 to have them sign sheets declaring how much my tuition is so i can get moeny from the government. its stupid cause i dont even have the money to pay for tuition and they are asking for more. whast even more stupid is that i paid $45 for ten minutes of someones time. money is terrible, and it hurts everyone.

do the people deserve more money? depends on who you talk to. do they have the right to strike? depends on who you talk to. personally i was more upset when hospital workers went on strike, and right now my medical is free.
i think the schools should be offereing refunds of classes missed to the students. no one would complain then.

[bl0nde]

very true^

a girl in one of my classes is upset because she is transfering to ubc and ubc needs her marks by a certain date etc. i feel sorry for her.. but hopefully ubc will understand if the strike continues throughout the semester.

[Senior]

I'm sure everyone will think it's swell when all those jobs are out sourced to India.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Anjew

^^
... wow...
you're in college?
oh wait..
colledge.
my bad.

i'll move on.

electrical apprentiship... you dont need to know how to spell...