Feb 13, 05
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FAO: Agrodave
*This post will be in the first person because Doom is that pissed off*
Dave, I come to you massive parties because you're a good guy. I and alot of other people who don't go to massives trust you as being a good guy. But fuck, after what happened at kiss, I have no respect for you. Even though you may or may not have known about the ticket problems, what happened was shit. I paid for a ticket, I did not get in. I waited outside for two fucking hours in the cold. That is just bullshit. Good job on over selling tickets, I hope you have fun rolling on your piles of ill gotten fucking gains -doom 
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Feb 13, 05
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Well I'm sorry that you are upset. Can't please everyone right.
Anyone who bought tix and did not get in will get a refund. Untill you have hands on experience of what it's like to throw a party of this caliber, I don't expect you to understand The 2 previous KISS parties had 3300+ at them. This year we had a legal capacity of 1190. Once I put tix in peoples hands they were almost impossible for me to get back. Most of my asian sellers don't have straight answers of what they sold until the night of or even a day or two after. It was very difficult to know our presale count. So we sold door tix.....People kept coming.......and coming.......and coming til 5am Since we didn't know what our presale was at or how many were actually gonna show at the door 50? 100? 200? we just did what we had to do. Continue selling Some people with tix got screwed. It sucks....big time. But it happens and there wasn't much we can do about it. You'd have to actually be in my position to understand what I mean
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Feb 13, 05
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Sucks that u didnt get in... my friend waited 3 hours and got in but they didnt care cus they said it was worth it.
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Feb 13, 05
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he's not talking in the 3rd person!
must be pissed. Over selling on tickets has always been a problem.. It makes me wonder why people at the door just dont say "we're sold out" or close the ticket sales at 12am. Doom has expirience promoting parties, Dave. He doesnt throw big parties because he likes hardcore and music that isnt popular with the raver twinkies. He will probably never throw a massive. But the parties him and his friends throw have always been 100% awesome. I love to go to their parties because im guranteed a good time. I've been attending their shows since i started going to parties 6 years ago. There will never be any fights or bullshit at their parties. Their parties are the way raves should be put on. and if people are confused as to what i just said. i'll put it in plain english.. they do it for the music.
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Feb 13, 05
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Think of it from Dave's perspective. He has a multitude of private ticket seller's to look after on top of store locations selling tickets. That constitutes alot of personalities, all of whom can't be baby sat and be expected to issue daily sales reports. Its just not practical to phone every store location and private seller on a daily basis to find out exactly how many tickets have been sold for a show. There're always people who ask ticket sellers to "hold five tickets for me until payday" for instance, and often times these tickets arn't actually sold for whatever reason. So getting accurate info from a whole bunch of private sellers on how many tickets have ACTUALLY been sold is more difficult than you would think. Then there's always people who don't end up going to the show at all and can't find anyone to buy their ticket, all of a sudden you have tickets that HAVE sold, but there's now extra tickets that CAN BE sold. There's no fool-proof way of avoiding these kind of situations. Under the circumstances, the situation was handled as well as it could be.
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Feb 13, 05
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DOOM should read posts marked "URGENT" more often.
http://www.fnk.ca/board/showthread.php?t=71655 Don't say AGRODave didn't warn you to get there early...
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Feb 13, 05
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Detn8tor is pretty acurate
We actually did only print just about enough tix as the capacity. However it's very hard to tell if we were at 1000 preslold or 1100 or 950 if 15 people are iffy about whether they sold the last 10 tix thats 150 sales We've made the mistake of only selling a certain amount of door sales at the plaza. Later we had room for so many more and lost up to 100 ticket sales 100 x $100 do the math! Not a good mistake ;) All of our parties everyone eventually gets in. We make sure of it. This one was no different. Everyone who stuck around eventually got in. I did warn to get there EARLY he's not talking in the 3rd person! must be pissed. he should take it like a man and suck it up So far he is the only one who has requested a refund. Over selling on tickets has always been a problem.. It makes me wonder why people at the door just dont say "we're sold out" or close the ticket sales at 12am. We knew everyone would get a chance to get in. So we sold tix until it was at capacity. The people who arrived late had to wait a while. They were warned that that would happen Doom has expirience promoting parties, Dave. Yes but he doesn't have experience throwing "concerts" 90% of all my shows from 200 people to 3300 people have all sold out I know more what I'm talking about than he does He doesnt throw big parties because he likes hardcore and music that isnt popular with the raver twinkies. He will probably never throw a massive. But the parties him and his friends throw have always been 100% awesome. I love to go to their parties because im guranteed a good time. I've been attending their shows since i started going to parties 6 years ago. There will never be any fights or bullshit at their parties. Their parties are the way raves should be put on. Thats great the scene needs promoters like him. But whats your point? and if people are confused as to what i just said. i'll put it in plain english.. they do it for the music. So do I. I do it foe the music and the people......but I am also running a business here Gotta make a living somehow ya know ;) It may as well be something you love Last edited by AGROculture; Feb 13, 05 at 08:13 PM.
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Feb 13, 05
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Quote:
And whether he said "get their early" or not is irrelevant. The fact is they oversold. They should have more control over that, and better communication with their sellers. If they don't have that communication, they should get new sellers. I also think that the fact that he responded with "you can't please everyone, right?" is total BS. That's a complete cop-out response, and I honestly thought better of Dave. The only props he gets from me for this situation are for stepping up and rightly offering the refunds. Ya know, in 7 years, I've seen promotion companies and promoters come and go. The longer I do this, the more I start to think there's no such thing as a "good" promoter of massives in Vancouver.
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Feb 13, 05
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I give each ticket seller 30 tix. Not all will sell 30 tix. By the week of it is impossible to fill an order for 50 tix if I have to go around and pick up 5 from 1 seller and 2 from another and 4 from another etc etc We DID NOT oversell KISS. I've seen parties there get oversold by literally thousands! We were only over by 50 or 60 We let all the latecomers know that refunds were available if they didn't want to wait in the line up. Nobody took up that offer but many did upgrade to VIP so they could walk right in
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Feb 13, 05
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I don't know about anyone else, but after I get my ticket to a party, I don't go anywhere NEAR the promo forum...The "OMG! CAN'T WAIT!" drivel 220 times over is far too mind numbing for me to waste my time.
Well how else do you find out updated info about a party? It's our responsibilty to post it whereever we can and it's yours to look. If you can't be bothered to keep an eye out for updates than it's your fault isn't it? And whether he said "get their early" or not is irrelevant. The fact is they oversold. They should have more control over that, and better communication with their sellers. If they don't have that communication, they should get new sellers. I also think that the fact that he responded with "you can't please everyone, right?" is total BS. That's a complete cop-out As I said before. First off we didn't oversell. We did the same thing we did at every party we've ever thrown. We could've EASILY sold another 500+ tix to this show.....EASILY. That would be oversellling. In any business You can't honestly please every single one of 1000's of customers right? response, and I honestly thought better of Dave. The only props he gets from me for this situation are for stepping up and rightly offering the refunds. Well why else wouldn't I offer refunds. If someone doesn't get in then that person should get his money back. It's not rocket science Ya know, in 7 years, I've seen promotion companies and promoters come and go. The longer I do this, the more I start to think there's no such thing as a "good" promoter of massives in Vancouver. Well put your money where your mouth is and throw your own sold out massive parties for years and then you'll truely see how the game works. Last edited by AGROculture; Feb 13, 05 at 08:31 PM.
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Feb 13, 05
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k my buddy was in line with me and he went back to get his sweater from the car because after waiting 2.5 hours in line, he's pretty cold. he comes back to the line and the cops deny him from coming back in the line even showing him his ticket. He tried again later and the same thing happened. So i ended up going inside bymyself. halfhour later i leave cause i aint partying bymyself. this really pissed me off. i know i can't get a refund but for my friend he still has a tix.
u say they get a refund. ok. question is where and how does he get this refund.
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Feb 13, 05
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kabon hit me up soetime this week and I'll let you know instrutions on how to get a refund
ppcock thats what I thought
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Feb 13, 05
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are you being serious?
Do I really have to state the obvious?
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Feb 13, 05
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alright dave.. dont answer that question.. I assume its the service charge that stores do.
So i guess its ok like that.. saving the people money and that's randy. But, if you still have tickets left over, why dont you give the people working the door those tickets and when those are gone the door people go inside and enjoy the party. Thus everyone wins and no one loses.
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