Why does Kimmie think E is not a subject for this forum?

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

we used to be able to have frank discussions about every aspect of dance music culture on this site.

I guess fnk has to maintain it's appearances now that it's soul purpose is that of a squeeky clean advertising medium for the kind of events where drug abuse is rampant.

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[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Avana

i hope you are wearing your helmet tonight.....

quite possibly the most ignorant post i have seen you make. this has nothing to do with appearances or advertising. dancesafe and other organizations like that were shut down for a reason, unsafe, and unreliable. everyones body metabolizes drugs differently, offering up a recipe for a cocktail is like giving them a loaded gun.

getting/giving drug advice on fnk is like going to a mechanic for your prostate exam.

LOL!!!!!

jesus avana, a mechanic for a prostate exam?...OUT OF BOUNDS.

but anyway i kinda lean towards the 'keeping up appearances' thing aswell but the point you bring up is HUGE.

i did not know dancesafe is no longer. i think that is a real shame.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

HAHAHAHAHA. Was timing to see who would create a thread in this section to rebutt my closure of the other thread. You win Grapes!!!

And to answer your question, I think drug awareness and rehabilitation is a subject for this forum board. I don't condone the sharing of habitual use and "special recipes" on getting the best high.

If one wants to share "cocktails", do it via IM.

Am I the only person who thinks this kind of censorship is really lame?

Whatever happened to harm reduction? You know, the idea that if you foster discussion then you can determine for yourself the safest way of going about something. If it weren't for candid drug conversations on the internet I wouldn't know half the stuff I know about drugs today. I wouldn't be able to make educated opinions about how I choose to affect myself recreationally or medicinally.

Yeah. Take it to IM. Where it's a billion times more difficult for people to be called out on their urban legends or piss-poor decisions. "Oh, I heard doing GHB and Alcohol is the best high eeeeeverrrrr" may not be called out in a 2-person conversation (esp. if one of the parties has ulterior motives), but guaranteed FNK would jump all over it (btw, that combo makes you pass out kids, and could lead to death)

Kinda seems sucky to try and sweep the drugs under the rug like it's not a part of our lives.

[penguinabc123]

Bluelight
Erowid

Originally Posted by Revolver

LOL!!!!!

jesus avana, a mechanic for a prostate exam?...OUT OF BOUNDS.

but anyway i kinda lean towards the 'keeping up appearances' thing aswell but the point you bring up is HUGE.

i did not know dancesafe is no longer. i think that is a real shame.

dancesafe is stupid.

they take your pill, add some water and a chemical, test tube turns black. YUP, YOU DEFINITELY HAVE DRUGS HERE.

they had absolutely no way of proving what percentage of anything was in that pill. tell me how this was a good idea?

[NinjaBoy]

I do agree, if your going to have a section dedicated to one illegal substance. What is the difference with another one.

Both can be abused, and both can be used correctly. I'm pretty sure I've seen people here talk about the diffrent types of weed they use, and how they smoke it. Wouldn't that be the exact same?

[omega_image]

i thought dancesafe was still operating? (it's still up anyways) anways there are a ton of sites out there dedicated to helping educate on narcotics. Erowid, etc.

sure fnk's mission might not be to follow suit, but pick a side....

[Grapes]

Weeeellll what have we got here... it seems to be a can. Says "worms" on it. I reckon I'm gonna just go ahead and open up this big ol can o worms.....

I might throw in my own two bits once I'm off work.. but maybe not because I'm a busy man, dammit.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by zarlon

lol chronic pot smokers are just as mentally challenged as someone who abuses e or any other drug regularly.

wow, you must hang out with some very low-functioning pot heads to make such a silly comparison.

[Lush]

^ Oh please, drugs are drugs - hearing a pothead ramble on about the state of the world is just as bad as hearing a coke head ramble on about how they have an amazing grasp on life.

It's not a silly comparison especially if you don't smoke pot or used to smoke pot but don't anymore, trust me it's super annoying and if I were still a chronic pot smoker I would be completely oblivious to it.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

wow, you must hang out with some very low-functioning pot heads to make such a silly comparison.

two times

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Lush

^ Oh please, drugs are drugs

It's this exact mentality that has marijuana (which has zero recorded deaths) considered legally on the same level as cocaine.

And as much as anyone wants to scream that pill testing at raves is a Bad Thing, I've seen a good number of people manage to avoid taking really sketchy pills simply based off pill testing. Island Kids is a fantastic organization that has been doing pill testing for the last decade and has been keeping kids at parties safe. Sure, pill testing isn't 100% effective, but neither are condoms and we're not about to advocate throwing those out the window, are we?

[Wood]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

PS... Harm reduction = wear a seatbelt or wear a helmet, not pointing them in the right direction of "GOOD STUFF" :|

[-evil-duerr-]

Lush, you really can't make generalizations like that. Marijuana effects each individual in a different way. Not all chronic marijuana users have the same smoking habits either.

If a blabbering idiot smokes weed, they're still going to be a blabbering idiot. I'm sorry, but your observations say more about the people you associate with than it does about the drug itself.

I know tons of highly productive, intelligent people who smoke weed on a daily basis. They work, they go to school and in their spare time while most would be out drinking - they're at home smoking marijuana and feeding a thirst for knowledge. i.e. reading, playing music, writing, creating artwork, learning languages etc. etc.

I know that the couch surfing, dorito munching pot-head cliche is a popular notion amongst a lot of people, but it really only depicts a very small fraction of the many different types of people who use marijuana for all it's many different purposes.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

If a blabbering idiot smokes weed, they're still going to be a blabbering idiot. I'm sorry, but your observations say more about the people you associate with than it does about the drug itself.

+1

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[Gusto]

Originally Posted by Lush

^ Oh please, drugs are drugs.

so what, we should ignore their differences because you think their "annoyance levels" are about the same?

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

PS... Harm reduction = wear a seatbelt or wear a helmet, not pointing them in the right direction of "GOOD STUFF" :|

Um, no.

Harm reduction means educating your audience as much as possible so they can make their own educated decisions, not pushing propaganda in one direction or another. It means educating them on how to use a seatbelt, not telling them to use one.

[rawb]

JUST TO BE DEVILS ADVOCATE, I'VE SEEN MORE PEOPLE EFFECTED NEGATIVELY BY BEING A HEAVY POT SMOKER THAN POSITIVELY, EVEN IF SOME OF THEM DONT REALIZE IT

ANYWAYS, GETTING BACK TO THE POINT, DO YOU THINK HIGH-FUNCTIONING, PROGRESSIVE, POSITIVE PEOPLE WITH REGULAR GHB, COCAINE, PAINKILLER OR CRYSTAL METH HABITS SHOULD GET THEIR OWN SECTIONS? o

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by rawb

JUST TO BE DEVILS ADVOCATE, I'VE SEEN MORE PEOPLE EFFECTED NEGATIVELY BY BEING A HEAVY POT SMOKER THAN POSITIVELY, EVEN IF SOME OF THEM DONT REALIZE IT

ANYWAYS, GETTING BACK TO THE POINT, DO YOU THINK HIGH-FUNCTIONING, PROGRESSIVE, POSITIVE PEOPLE WITH REGULAR GHB, COCAINE, PAINKILLER OR CRYSTAL METH HABITS SHOULD GET THEIR OWN SECTIONS?

IT'S CALLED TRIBE.NET, YOl

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Sure, pill testing isn't 100% effective, but neither are condoms and we're not about to advocate throwing those out the window, are we?

hahahahh thanks for the laugh

[kiMMie]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Um, no.

Harm reduction means educating your audience as much as possible so they can make their own educated decisions, not pushing propaganda in one direction or another. It means educating them on how to use a seatbelt, not telling them to use one.

My apologies for my quick "PS" response in my previous post. Maybe it was a bit bland in description, but I was referencing this:

1) if you do E. do GOOD STUFF
2) If you have to get high. YOU DONT HAVE TO DO E

And the fact that in the original thread it was suggested that mixing "e" with 'yayo" would be beneficial.

I know what harm reduction is. That isn't harm reduction. Sorry.

And Wood... stop being so frustrated. LOL!

[Wood]

ok but you realize that 'pointing them in the direction of GOOD STUFF' is pretty much the definition of harm reduction, right?

[kiMMie]

Originally Posted by Avana

e.d. - this is what wiki had to say about harm reduction, in case you were confused.

Referencing this again, as I think there is confusion on what that is :weird:

To tell someone who wants to do drugs, to do "good stuff" is not harm reduction.
To tell someone who does drugs who can't get high to mix with other drugs, is not harm reduction.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

And the fact that in the original thread it was suggested that mixing "e" with 'yayo" would be beneficial.

I know what harm reduction is. That isn't harm reduction. Sorry.

I wasn't saying that it was harm reduction. I'm saying censoring it is against the spirit of harm reduction.

[kiMMie]

:wacko:

Telling someone to take horse tranquilizers with e to get a better high is no way in the "spirit of harm reduction".