Sep 14, 03
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The shit that UFo was spinning was Merzbow, or something almost identical to it, sounded a lot like his aquanecromancer track... i was just blown away by the cuts he had and how he took it from 140 bpm to like 1bpm into static realm and back again, and the rock your body remix was ill/amazing. :keebler: As for underground / mainstream debate, lol i remember when parties were in dirty warehouses on the eastside 150 people and they went off , this was big name dj's in a low key venue, it was tight, plaza's get , well you know.
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Sep 14, 03
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I was really looking forward to this party and had spent quite a while preparing my live set. I have no idea how my set sounded as I could barely hear it due to the interference from the other system. I was really hoping to reach some new audiences at this show with my own brand of tekhouse. I thank everyone who stuck around and listened/danced to what I played.
There should be more live PAs at parties. So what's going on? Rave/Party attendance has been super low all summer - both in Vancouver and Victoria. Meanwhile garage rock concerts like the White Stripes sell out within a few days of tickets going on sale. I have been desperately searching to find some sort of vibe in Vancouver (I have only been living here a year) that is in the true spirit of house culture: people from all walks of life dancing with each other to feed their souls and spirit. And the people are intelligent - they know the long history of this music and culture which has stayed strong and global for 25 years. There have been a few shows this summer that have had amazing energy where the whole place is resonating. The most recent show I can think of like that was Mark Farina at Sonar. People were dancing in every corner of the room, smiles on everyones faces. If you start going to shows completely sober you will notice that they could be a lot more fun. If the sound is not good, the lighting not appropriate and the people are antisocial, it will be very hard to get in a mood to dance. There needs to be more of an emphasis on environment, strong themes and flow for a party - not just selling an event based on headliners. DJs need to really work the room - don't pre-plan a set, react to the crowd. Another important factor for north america is that dancing is not part of our culture. It is not common here to dance with your elders at family gatherings nor at community events. It's going to take a lot of work to show people that this should be a necessary source of stress relief and socializing. I know a lot of producers who are moving to Latin America. These are places that have been raving in their own ways for hundreds of years. Historically their drug use was purely for spirtual rituals not recreational use. The people come out to dance and they dance all night. Electronic music will always be here but it is going to take some amazing things to have it thrive again in BC. Here are my suggestions: 1. Petition to have busses run late night, every night of the week 2. Clubs/Promoters need to support more new local talent instead of have the same small group of residents always playing. 3. Have DJ competitions regularly to make sure that DJs are still pushing to do more and that crowds will get a chance to see it. New DJs potentially bring in new friends with them. The more that club goers get to see DJs giving a 110% the more they will start to expect from a show and a performer. (Raise the bar) 4. Read "Last night a Dj saved my life"and "The Altered State". Learn where this music came from and what it is all about from the people who invented it. Don't repeat mistakes of the past and find out how other people enjoy this culture. Read it and then pass the book on to someone else. 5. While attendance numbers are down, plan for smaller, intimate parties with more local Djs. Locals know their crowd better than an out-of-towner, the promoter can keep ticket prices waaay down, more focus can be put on the location and vibe. Build mini, loyal scenes and then things will build back up to bigger parties. 6. Go to all the dance schools in town and offer the people there free (or virtually free) passes to your show. The more people that come to the party purely to dance (and probably completely sober) the more fun it will be for everyone. So good to see amazing dancers going off...may even lead to developing new styles of dancing. 7. Organize a Vancouver electronic music festival. Get support from the city and do it as a formal cultural event (I did this in Victoria and we had free use of Centennial square for a full weekend). Do this in such a way that it is either free or super low cost and totally accessible to the general public. At the VEMF we had old men and little kids all dancing to techno in the afternoon sun. 8. Support co-op and univeristy radio shows that play electronic music. They are always struggling for funding (and moral support). The radio can educate and reach many people. 9. Don't play the cheese! This underground music made purely for the dancefloor, free from corporations. Play stuff with soul and personality, not sterile, cold "club" megatracks. Youc an hear these on the radio or watch them on MTV. 200 house records alone are released every week. There is a lot of amzing music to find. Don't be lazy! seek to find the stuff that no one else has heard and is unique to your style... this is your job as a DJ; to sift through the ridiculous amount of music and pull out the best stuff to present it in an interesting and relevant manner .... I have so many more ideas but I will leave it at this for now. Comments/criticisms are welcome! peace, Danjel |
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Sep 15, 03
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You know what I dont think this party "sucked balls" at all I think it was actualy very well done. and the party did go off but nobody was really there to enjoy it. I believe partialy due to timing. imf last week spooky comming up and a couple of good smaller partys in the next week all make good compitition also add in first week of school. we did have an ok crowed forming at first its just that place is just so dam big that even at oh funky with like 400+ it still looked empty and they had a large part of that room sectioned off. but yah whatever i think the majority of the ppl that stayed actualy had a really great time and i didnt see many ppl disapointed at all in the morning. I was actualy very impressed with all the dj's that night. and actualy quite happy to see that the locals were fair compition to the main headliner. probably one of the best sets i have heard in a long time came from Deeb and Mr Sinisters 5 hour tag set. good job guys I was very impressed. but yah I think that the scene is just taking a beating lately and you know what i dont really think that there was much wrong about that party at all. just more ppl needed to come out and support. great job guys. the heart was there till the end good on you for not giving up and not backing out.
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I happen love a lot of the music that's being played out now, and I also feel the vibe almost everytime I am out whether it be at a party or a club night. I pretty much always have a good time. You say "I know a lot of producers who are moving to Latin America. These are places that have been raving in their own ways for hundreds of years. Historically their drug use was purely for spirtual rituals not recreational use." Have you been to a "rave" in Latin America? I for one have. And yes it's a little different from here, but for the most part the vibe is the same. You make your own fun. You say . . . "Don't play the cheese! This underground music made purely for the dancefloor, free from corporations. Play stuff with soul and personality, not sterile, cold club megatracks. Youc an hear these on the radio or watch them on MTV" Everyone has their own opinion. You may not like the "cheese" or club tracks, but many may. I think the more diversity in what is played out at parties/clubs, the better. It will definately get a lot more people out (and that's our objective here no?). If everyone liked just one type of music, it all would get very boring. As mentioned before you do have some great ideas, (the electronic mucic festival, buses running all night/to late hours, new talent being presented regularly not just the same DJ's all the time, dancers at parties to get the crowd going (they do this in Costa Rica), and support for radio shows). but I'm not sure you're being as open minded as you could be. Last edited by *Geminiz*; Sep 15, 03 at 10:31 AM. |
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Sep 15, 03
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Does Vancouver need more mainstream exposure to lesser known djs in order for smaller parties to be thrown?
UFO! is lesser known then Andy C in a broad way, but I am sure their skills are comparable to eachothers. If UFO! played at spooky 7 would 300 people come out to see him this time around? Quote:
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Sep 15, 03
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First off, let me big up all the Fundamental crew for putting their efforts into this event. These things are known to happen, especially in an arena where things are constantly in flux.
As for my man UFO!. Well, he came, he played, he killed it. I saw the looks in some folks faces. They knew a revelation when they saw it. and so it came and went. Last edited by Kuma; Sep 15, 03 at 03:37 PM. |
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Sep 15, 03
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I saw these flyers at alot of parties I thought it would be a massive. Sucks to hear it wasnt. Good to hear the Djs just gave er! Phase one looks promanate
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Sep 16, 03
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This party had so much going for it, unfortunatly not enough people showed up....Alot of people put in alot of hard work and alot of time to put this on...and take it down. Strong sets by all djs....especially soma, mateo, deeb , and of course ufo. I hope all who came had fun.
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Sep 16, 03
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Basically i m in agreement with Dan on his calls on the scene. The attendance say 3 years ago was massive , because for most people parties were a new thing and E was a new thing but like everything trends come and go, and thats prolly your explanation for the low attendance... punk and indy is trendy .. all the people who would attend for something to do are moving into that scene, as for the music headz who are there for the music and what the scene means for them, rad, but it happens to everything, look at indy which was basically non existent in the mainstream, and has come back in a huge way, it s the way of the world, but basically if you like parties and the music, stay with it. As for dancing, its true most people go to clubs to look and compare each other seeing who fits the cookie cutter trend mofo up on in this mutha f#kR, that hasnt changed and wont. Small parties with tight vibes is where it started and where it will begin again ;) But you cant deny cheese, everyone needs a little "master of the rave" in their life lol.
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Sep 16, 03
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Why are we examining this so much? Are we really going to stop partying because it's mainstream or not? I go to raves and I have been for three and a half years now and the only reason it would ever get boring is when "I" don't like it anymore. Why worry about the people when your friends are there and you're having an awsome time? set yourself up for a god time, don't come expecting it.......because usually the people who set these things up are expecting you to do just that. It isn't the dj's fault you aren't having a good time. In my opinion it's your own fault.
P.S. this isn't just to the people on this thread, it's to everyone. If you don't stop complaining about every party you go to then what will you ever have to look back on and say "that was kickass?" If you don't make your own good times, you'll never have any. Just a thought... -Josh |
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Thing is, the media will never be able to capitalize on it so long as our political American brothers below us continue their ultimately futile war on drugs. Ecstatic debauchery is far too reliant on such activities to make it a commercially viable enterprise with such limitations put on us. |
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Sep 16, 03
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don't u guys think that people get sick of going to parties every weekend??
i take the occasional break because there's no way i could make it out to every small and large party thrown here, because i would just get way too bored of the scene, like i am now. i think taking a bit of a break and attending only a few parties lets people get excited about attending an event, rather than just going to "another party." maybe I just have a more diversed taste in music.. i dunno. but if there's others like me out there, that explains the low attendance factor at this party. it sucks for the people that worked so hard to make everything right. just my opinion to u all, not to make a career out of this. |
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Sep 17, 03
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Edumacated "sucked ass" because insecure sheeple like you measure your self worth by the number of people with whom you assimilate. For those of you who go to parties for the human interaction or, god forbid, the music: I'm sure you had a good time. In case you all missed it, which it seems you did, the Fundamental Crew is one of the most genuine and legitimate crews holding it down in Vancouver's underground. They have consistently delivered wicked and diverse music and party environments while you were busy bugging out on PCP listening to 10 hours of 8-counts in some shithole. Unfortunately, the fickle nature of Vancouver's party scene does not lend itself to sustainability - unless one happens to sell-out one's integrity, or never had any integrity in the first place.
Glad I don't have to bite my tongue anymore, SPK p.s. Much respect to Danjel, whom I don't believe I've ever met. Last edited by SPK; Sep 17, 03 at 01:01 AM. |
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I was SO supposed to be there, but due to last minute transportation issues, I was unable to make it.
The title of this thread disgusts me. I know most of the guys involved with putting this party on, from the promoters to the DJ's to the out-of-town talent (UFO!). These guys worked their ASSES off to put on a good party with a great lineup at a reasonable price. To hear someone say "Edumacated sucked hairy cock and balls" for no reason better than there weren't alot of people there really disturbs me, especially when something like that is totally out of their control. They've been flyering for this party for weeks. HEAVILY. They had tickets in stores and in the hands of many people all over the place. it's not the fault of the promoters if, despite their best efforts, no one buys tickets. I spoke to UFO! at Vibes on Sunday night. He had been looking forward to this, and was sorely disappointed by the turnout (especially after a sucessful outing at Pound last November). This just proves to me once-and-for-all that the scene as I knew it is dead. The only thing that exists in the Vancouver "Rave Scene" anymore is the Plaza/Colliseum parties, and Apex. Oh, and for buddy who posted this? If a small crowd without barstars, azns, skanks and chaches isn't your scene, stick to your cookie-cutter McRavey-Raves. There'll be plenty of your kind there. PS -+> It would have been nice of you to be a real...well, whatever you are...and post as yourself, not a troll. :y: :y: |
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Sep 17, 03
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:keebler: hahaha well said :keebler:
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Sep 17, 03
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I think, personally it was just one of those "stay at home" nights... prolly the rain. Others may have felt this way too... maybe :( to all those who went, its too bad shit didn't go off.
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