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Old Aug 21, 06
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You can't sue someone for booking native land and setting up a rave. There were no signed documents or permits needed for a party like this, so they can pretty much get away with doign whatever they want.

Raves are not concerts, everyone who ever buys a ticket for a rave has to accept the fact that anything goes. Whether it's good or bad, shit always happens. Parties getting cancelled, if you don't get your money back then so be it. If a headliner doesn't show up, oh well tough luck.

I'm not saying it's fair, but it's just the way the rave scene works. And the sooner people start realizing this the less headaches you'll be giving yourselves.

Ravers are so commercial now, everyone expects every last cent they spend to ensure them nothing wrong will happen. A rave is a rave!

Mike
i actually agree with all of this!!! its all very true.
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Old Aug 21, 06
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This kind of reminds me of the shit that super sweet used to pull back in the day...
hahahaha YES! Thank you for bringing back those memories...

(alrhough I must say, Way Out West did show up for a Super Sweet party at the PNE, but in general you're right)
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Old Aug 21, 06
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yes it's true, irresponsible/unprofessional behavior has long been the excepted norm for rave promoters. so stop compaining or somebody might actually have to step up their game!
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Old Aug 21, 06
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since you probally make $8 an hour, i guess u had to work a whole half hour to afford a water eh? that would make me pretty mad too. STFU or dont bother going out if u cant afford. your broke ass should just have stayed home and eaten chips and yogurt on your mommys lap and played yatzee.
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its true being a raver /partier isnt cheap. it never has been a cheap life style
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Old Aug 21, 06
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its true being a raver /partier isnt cheap. it never has been a cheap life style
The true costs are beginning to emerge. There will be more death and more drugs till this little failed PLUR experiment finally swallows it's own tail. The sooner this scene dies, the sooner it'll be replaced by something better.
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Old Aug 21, 06
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what the hell are you doing on this site then buds, if you are just waiting for the scene to die?
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thats what i was thinking^^^ so confused
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Old Aug 21, 06
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It's best just to disregard it...

On a more intelligent note.. It seems Reid Speed now has an FnK account. Let's hope she posts her side of the story!
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Old Aug 21, 06
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yes it's true, irresponsible/unprofessional behavior has long been the excepted norm for rave promoters. so stop compaining or somebody might actually have to step up their game!



Having that few toilets in a jail or at a school would be cause for fines and news reports me thinks

a few years ago people were outraged when 1 headliner might not make it, weird that the crowds seem alot more passive now... or maybe that have moved off these boards now
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It's best just to disregard it...

On a more intelligent note.. It seems Reid Speed now has an FnK account. Let's hope she posts her side of the story!

I saw that too, I would like to hear what she has to say, She is a awesome dj and such a cute girl to boot !! Best set of the night, If she chose not to come back because of this, it would be a real loss
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Old Aug 21, 06
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a few years ago people were outraged when 1 headliner might not make it, weird that the crowds seem alot more passive now... or maybe that have moved off these boards now
I still think ravers are a lot less passive now (remember the FF scam?).

In the end I think it just depends on how many people there are in line to suck a promoters dick (figuratively and/or literally). A popular promoter will always have ravers around to play down all the complaints and act as if nothing was wrong.
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Old Aug 21, 06
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A popular promoter will always have ravers around to play down all the complaints and act as if nothing was wrong.
as evidenced by some of the replies in this thread... "cleaning the portas isn't the promoter's responsibility", wtf who's is it then, reid speed's?
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Old Aug 21, 06
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You can't sue someone for booking native land and setting up a rave. There were no signed documents or permits needed for a party like this, so they can pretty much get away with doign whatever they want.

Raves are not concerts, everyone who ever buys a ticket for a rave has to accept the fact that anything goes. Whether it's good or bad, shit always happens. Parties getting cancelled, if you don't get your money back then so be it. If a headliner doesn't show up, oh well tough luck.

I'm not saying it's fair, but it's just the way the rave scene works. And the sooner people start realizing this the less headaches you'll be giving yourselves.

Ravers are so commercial now, everyone expects every last cent they spend to ensure them nothing wrong will happen. A rave is a rave!

Mike
an illegal underground rave in a warehouse that has a high chance of being busted or cancelled is different than a heavily promoted legal outdoor event such as this one.

what you just said is a complete cop-out and it's attitudes like that that make it easy for promoters to charge 60 bucks even when their headliners have dropped out.

this party was a lot of fun, but poorly organized. i started hearing rumours about headliners dropping out back over two weeks ago at Apex...and then heard nothing about it until the party. some of them even had their timeslots written up (jody wisternoff) and then just didn't play.

sure it's a rave, but that doesn't mean people don't have the right to be upset after paying that much and not getting to see the people they paid to see (especially when it was known well in advance that some of the headliners weren't going to be there). rave or not, promoters need to remember that they are still dependent on people buying tickets to their parties. annual parties are built on reputation...that's the reason they grow. my guess is that the promoters for summer break 6 next year are going to have some work cut out for them.
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Old Aug 21, 06
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Hahaha

this one was my favourites (to lazy to look back and quote verbatim but it went like this):

"fuck, I'm pissed that I paid $60 for a party where the main headliners didnt even show up"

"It's your own stupid fault for waiting till tickets were $60.. You could have gotten them for $30 earlier on"


Basically its like saying "Next time, buy your tickets earlier so that you don't feel AS ripped off when the headliners don't show up"

Just blows my mind. I suppose the headliners didn't show up because he waited longer to buy his ticket...

edit - outposted

Last edited by Billy Shears; Aug 21, 06 at 03:49 PM.
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Old Aug 21, 06
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ouch.
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Old Aug 21, 06
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On a more intelligent note.. It seems Reid Speed now has an FnK account. Let's hope she posts her side of the story!
Yeah, that's way more intelligent. :|
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Old Aug 21, 06
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Seems to me the only people defending this party were on g-list.
Imagine of you paid $60 to go to this, then travel, party costs and getting work off.

If you are paying the same amount for a rave as you would a concert and the promoters promise things; it should follow through.

People were stating that ravers now a days are more passive; well have you also noticed that not as many people come out anymore? People get fed up and stop taking part.
Ravers only seem more passive now adays because only the passive ones are left and noobs; most people have moved on. Sick of being lied to and wasting money.
Now we are left with a scene that is almost 100% guestlist; most people won't pay because they don't trust the scene/promoters because of events gone bad. Example Summer Breaks 5.

And the whole porta potty thing; the promoter doesn't have to clean the out houses but they should do a bit of simple math and look at the amount of people and hours that people will be there.
If there were 2000 people there; that is 400 people per outhouse for a 24 hour party. (I heard there were more people then that too)
Plus these people are drinking and what not. Those out houses are going to each have 1200 or so uses! GROSS!!
Like come on, think about it. Pay the extra bit for another one and then all these people wouldn't be bitching so much.

That really sucks that a lot of you are basically saying "don't expect so much; its a rave" "good chance you will loose out on things"
Lame. This scene is going to die. Top 40 all the way!
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Old Aug 21, 06
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Hahaha

this one was my favourites (to lazy to look back and quote verbatim but it went like this):

"fuck, I'm pissed that I paid $60 for a party where the main headliners didnt even show up"

"It's your own stupid fault for waiting till tickets were $60.. You could have gotten them for $30 earlier on"


Basically its like saying "Next time, buy your tickets earlier so that you don't feel AS ripped off when the headliners don't show up"

Just blows my mind. I suppose the headliners didn't show up because he waited longer to buy his ticket...

edit - outposted
the funny thing is that is usally why headliners are cut, poor pre-sales.
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Old Aug 21, 06
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lol good thing i didn't go to SB, however i did go to apex and it was alright
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Old Aug 21, 06
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And the whole porta potty thing; the promoter doesn't have to clean the out houses but they should do a bit of simple math and look at the amount of people and hours that people will be there.
If there were 2000 people there; that is 400 people per outhouse for a 24 hour party. (I heard there were more people then that too)
Plus these people are drinking and what not. Those out houses are going to each have 1200 or so uses! GROSS!!
Like come on, think about it. Pay the extra bit for another one and then all these people wouldn't be bitching so much.
I won't even use an outhouse at a rave anymore after what happend at apex !!!
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Old Aug 21, 06
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the funny thing is that is usally why headliners are cut, poor pre-sales.
This is exactly why I believe most of them weren't there. These issues that have been brought up by reliable sources just confirms that -

Reid Speed not getting a deposit before flying herself out to the party
UK Apache not getting his flight booked

This stuff just means that even though the promoter(s) had billed all their artists they would have LIKED to have there, on flyers etc, they weren't sure of themselves enough to fully book them. They obviously relied on ticket sales to see if they were actually going to book them or not.

There wasn't as many people at SummerBreak as I thought there would be, and all the renegade stages had to sell all together atleast 1000 tickets if not more, so that doesn't leave the promoters with much money to play round with.

So, with not enough money to book everyone, they must have cut the most expensive artists (WOW, Lange & UK Apache) to not lose so much money.

In defense to Silverwaters, they did atleast provide more than half of the out of towners which I was satisfied with, and i'm sure they still lost money on the show, but it does suck thinking you're going to see a specific artist and not be able to see them. I know I really wanted to see the guy from Way Out West :(

Mike
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Old Aug 21, 06
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Seems to me the only people defending this party were on g-list.
Imagine of you paid $60 to go to this, then travel, party costs and getting work off.
To be honest, I would never pay $60 for a party. I'd make sure that I either bought a ticket when it was way cheaper or not go. Although, there's a few scenarios where I might be tempted to pay that much (such as New Years and Halloween).
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Old Aug 21, 06
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^^ rather interesting considering individuals from record company's from the uk thats associated with uk apache has stated that its not that the fact that he couldn't book a flight.... its a fact that he wanted to do nothing with the promoter..... thats the word I've gotten.
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Old Aug 21, 06
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yes she has, I know this for a fact because her and I used to date before we even knew what raves were, and we both entered the rave scene at pretty much the same time, which is just over 10 years ago.

My first party I ever went to she was there, called Merge on Vacouver Island in May of 1996.

Mike
True story. :)
 


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