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Old Jan 20, 07
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Proud canadian and S.2(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

nice little documentary on public opinion regarding the requirement of bilingualism in canada.

http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=55536

should canadians have to speak both english and french?




the above linky may not be suitable for work, but i suggest watching it.

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Old Jan 20, 07
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Canadians shouldn't have to speak any one language over another.
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Old Jan 20, 07
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Old Jan 20, 07
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English is the only Language that should be mandatory in this Country.

All others should be tolerated, accepted and optional.

Actually... let me rephrase this. PROPER ENGLISH is the only Language that should be mandatory.
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Old Jan 20, 07
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I dont believe that any language should be "Mandatory"

UNLESS you are running a business and deal with the public. I find it very frusterating to go into a business and the owner/employee(s) dont speak english. However, I do understand that English is the hardest language to learn and as someone who is trying to learn french and has tried and failed to learn german, spanish and hungarian..I realize how difficult it is.

I think people come to Canada for a reason...and thats because we accept everyone. It doesnt matter what nationality you are, or the colour of your skin, or the language you speak..what matters is that you follow the law and respect our country and everyone in it.

There are so many other ways to communicate. Speaking isnt even necessary.

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Old Jan 20, 07
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I dont believe that any language should be "Mandatory"

UNLESS you are running a business and deal with the public. I find it very frusterating to go into a business and the owner/employee(s) dont speak english. However, I do understand that English is the hardest language to learn and as someone who is trying to learn french and has tried and failed to learn german, spanish and hungarian..I realize how difficult it is.

I think people come to Canada for a reason...and thats because we accept everyone. It doesnt matter what nationality you are, or the colour of your skin, or the language you speak..what matters is that you follow the law and respect our country and everyone in it.

There are so many other ways to communicate. Speaking isnt even necessary.

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We do respect People for who they are and indeed that is why Immigrants come here.

Alas!

EVERYONE deals with other People in their everyday lives. It doesn't matter if you run a business. Interaction with different People happens hundreds of times a day. Wether you are reading a Bus Schedule, Menus, Contracts, Bills, Receipts, Official Communications of various sorts... it's all English. Everyone in Canada should have at least a decent hold of common lexis English, not for the pleasure of you and me but for the simple fact that it will make their life a lot easier and more enjoyable when they can access and communicate with the citizens of their new Nation. If you for example moved to Romania (for some weird reason) and you only spoke English, I can guarantee that anyone would have to learn Romanian to survive. Wild gesticulations and crazed Games of Pictionary on a Notepad will only get you so far.

English is the majority and working Language of this Country so basically it only makes sense that the People that live here, learn it.
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We do respect People for who they are and indeed that is why Immigrants come here.

Alas!

EVERYONE deals with other People in their everyday lives. It doesn't matter if you run a business. Interaction with different People happens hundreds of times a day. Wether you are reading a Bus Schedule, Menus, Contracts, Bills, Receipts, Official Communications of various sorts... it's all English. Everyone in Canada should have at least a decent hold of common lexis English, not for the pleasure of you and me but for the simple fact that it will make their life a lot easier and more enjoyable when they can access and communicate with the citizens of their new Nation. If you for example moved to Romania (for some weird reason) and you only spoke English, I can guarantee that anyone would have to learn Romanian to survive. Wild gesticulations and crazed Games of Pictionary on a Notepad will only get you so far.

English is the majority and working Language of this Country so basically it only makes sense that the People that live here, learn it.
I definately agree that to live in a country and not speak the language will only make it a difficult life.. I just dont think that it should be mandatory. If someone comes into my work and speaks no english..well im sorry.. I am unable to help you. Its their choice to learn or not.

If you want to order food at a resteraunt or buy a lottery ticket at the 711..then you need some grasp on the english language. For sure. Its just not always necessary ;D

I go to the laundrymat once a week..and the family is Korean. They barely speak english but are the greatest people. They have been taking english courses for the last 4 months and are trying their hardest..but are finding it very difficult. The husband always says "EH" and its freaking adorable!
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Old Jan 20, 07
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has anyone watched the link thingy at the beginning of the thread yet?

what do you think of her opinion?
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Old Jan 21, 07
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You want to come and live in my country, great!

But you had better know at least one of our two native languages.

Why the hell would anyone move to a country before learning the language?
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Old Jan 21, 07
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I know lots of Canadians who move to Japan, China, Thailand, etc. and really don't know a thing about the native language, they might grasp some basics, but they are still not fluent.

Honestly, it's great when people fail to differentiate between speaking the language and speaking it well, just because someone cannot speak it well does not mean they don't know the language. I'm going to bet that the majority of people who bitch about people moving here and 'not knowing the language' can't speak any language other than english fluently.

But hey, let's start another 5 page thread about the topic because it has never been done before on here!
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Old Jan 21, 07
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I'm with Myra, huge diff between grasping the language speaking broken english to fluent english to not knowing a fucking thing. Personally I believe that if you go to another country you better learn the basics. I also believe our country takes stuff a little far. Why should I have to provide a translater for someone trying to get a drivers liscense, all I can say is that fool better know how to read street signs..
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Old Jan 21, 07
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Why should I have to provide a translater for someone trying to get a drivers liscense, all I can say is that fool better know how to read street signs..
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's just hope that this guy who doesn't speak English very well, or at all for that matter, doesn't get pulled over by a cop that can only speak English...
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Old Jan 21, 07
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I'm going to bet that the majority of people who bitch about people moving here and 'not knowing the language' can't speak any language other than english fluently.
I'll take that Bet and raise you $20. lol
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Old Jan 21, 07
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Living in Italy really changed my perspective on language learning. I now have way more patience with people who don't speak the language very well. It's not like they aren't trying. It takes a long time to get a language right and it's very frustrating trying to communicate in that language when you have to slowly translate things in your mind.
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Old Jan 21, 07
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it comes down to cultural differences in the end...

In my opinion, if you come to Canada, and want the same respect as any other immigrant, learn the language as they did... sure, the grammar may not be perfect, but if it is close to "fluent" I son't have a problem with that...

It's everything else that bothers me.

As multicultural as we are, everyone still knows English
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Old Jan 21, 07
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i think the woman in the video had the right idea.
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Old Jan 21, 07
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I think in general people should know some other type of language. Can help alot in many things whether if its traveling or even career wise. I see lots of jobs out here looking for people who speak german.... spanish... french...

I personally know 4 languages.... french and english is what I was born and brought up with, spanish (which is an absolute beautiful language) and a little bit of italian. I want to learn Arabic but haven't had the time to study it all that much..
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