People Who Bring Weapons Into Night Clubs

[Vitamin-X]

Have to disagree, gangster rap totally breeds this G-unit thug identity.
And music does have a powerful influence over people, whether over just their attitude or maybe their entire self perception.

I can't stand country, but I haven't heard of many shooting at country bars;
fights sure, brawls I don't doubt it, but not much shooting.

For Gods sake, I wouldn't be surprises if the shooter yelled out "G-unit" before he booked it.

[Webber]

thats messed up

i've always wonder how you get a gun into a club - I get searched head to toe anytime i go to a club

[mikey]

security in clubs is way to laxed.

[-evil-duerr-]

I'm still blaiming Doom and Marilyn Manson.

[AGROculture]

It wasn't gnagster rap playing at the club

It was backpack hip hop. And the crowd that was there was more musically educated rather than violent.
It just goes to show that it can happen anywhere. It's very unfortunate

[scue]

i don't understand how it can be called backpack now..

[Heffy]

Do steel toed sneakers count as weapons? :P

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by BAL1STOPHER

i could listen to 2pac all day for a month straight and i can absolutly garunteeeee you that in no way shape or form is it goin to make me want to go pick up a pistol bring to the club and start shooting.....

of course you wont, cause you sound like a level guy.

but alot of people arnt as level and are easily influenced, esp by such a powerful media such as music.

Im steadfast in my resolve.As a generalization, RAP breeds and promotes violent and negative behaviour and there is no way anyone can negate that fact. Yes, a incident can happen like this with any genre of music but it seems most often occured at RAP/top 40 nites like the shootings at the purple onion a few years ago.......

follow the formula:
RAP is without a doubt, the most materialistc form of music in history.
Materialism leads to envy and jelousy
envy and jelousy is easily turned to violence

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Revolver

of course you wont, cause you sound like a level guy.

but alot of people arnt as level and are easily influenced, esp by such a powerful media such as music.

Im steadfast in my resolve.As a generalization, RAP breeds and promotes violent and negative behaviour and there is no way anyone can negate that fact. Yes, a incident can happen like this with any genre of music but it seems most often occured at RAP/top 40 nites like the shootings at the purple onion a few years ago.......

follow the formula:
RAP is without a doubt, the most materialistc form of music in history.
Materialism leads to envy and jelousy
envy and jelousy is easily turned to violence

Ummmm. Society breeds violence. Because this happens at a hip hop night, we can't blame the music . If they were all wearing Nike shoes at the club, would we blame Nike for the shooting? Why aren't we blaming booze seeing as how this happened at an establishment serving it?

It's easy for us to blame the easiest possible target if it is something that we, as a society are having troubles coming to terms with it. Evil duerr has it right! I mean if shit like this happens when goth/industrial people are involved, suddenly the media has to play the whole culture like its to blame. What if they go to the shooters house and discover violent video games? Wouldn't you think its out of hand to have lobbyist groups trying to ban the sale of those games?

Where do you draw the line?

Blanket statements like rap promoting and breeding violence make me ill. The whole genre of hip hop started out of violence as an alternative to falling under the vicious cycle of a lifestlye of poverty, drugs and violence through artistic means such as mcing, breaking, graf, etc. Because you know of a few top 40 artists and you even try to define the line between rap and hip hop (ps rap is music, hip hop is a life style.) does not give you the liscense to say things like that. If we keep blaming the music in this city the violence will never end because it is NOT the reason shit like this keeps happening.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Why aren't we blaming booze seeing as how this happened at an establishment serving it?

that is a great fucking question.

doesn't it make more sense to blame alcohol consumption than a form of music? i mean, everyone knows that alcohol clouds your judgement and makes some people more aggressive.

[Gusto]

why aren't we blaming the individual? bringing a weapon into a club is premeditated.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by neoh

whats this fucking city coming to.

No shit eh?

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Gusto

why aren't we blaming the individual? bringing a weapon into a club is premeditated.

oh i totally put full responsibility on the individual. i was just pointing out the backwardness of how the media goes about blaming all these other third party things like music for creating violence...and yet don't voice other more obvious choices of blame, like alcohol, which probably contribute more to violence than music.

[b0ld]

Adolf Hitler enjoyed listening to opera's and classical music....

Is classical music to blame for the holacaust???

People need to grow a fuckin brain and stop blaming shit on groups

[Gusto]

Originally Posted by b0ld

Adolf Hitler enjoyed listening to opera's and classical music....

Is classical music to blame for the holacaust???

People need to grow a fuckin brain and stop blaming shit on groups

classical music doesn't send a negative or violent message. i agree that music is not to blame, but if you're gonna cite examples, they should make sense.

[impure]

Originally Posted by Revolver

of course you wont, cause you sound like a level guy.

but alot of people arnt as level and are easily influenced, esp by such a powerful media such as music.

Im steadfast in my resolve.As a generalization, RAP breeds and promotes violent and negative behaviour and there is no way anyone can negate that fact. Yes, a incident can happen like this with any genre of music but it seems most often occured at RAP/top 40 nites like the shootings at the purple onion a few years ago.......

follow the formula:
RAP is without a doubt, the most materialistc form of music in history.
Materialism leads to envy and jelousy
envy and jelousy is easily turned to violence

what you are totaly forgetting is that they're only doing what sells.
obviously if people had no intrest in the lifestyle assosiated with rap music then they'd change their image, or they'd not be mainstream.
they don't FORCE violence down the kids throats.
they make what the kids will buy.
does that make sense?
so really, it's society that's doing it to the rap artists.
society killed tupac because he was only trying to live up to their expectations.
(oh man, that's way out in left field, but then, so is blaming a music genre for peoples poor judgement)

[Vitamin-X]

^^
I guess it's a vicious cycle then.
Rap feeds us this garbage, we buy into it, Rap responds by feeding us more.

On a different note, alcohol doesn't "make" people more aggressive.
It tends to bring out aggression that's already there. People who are constantly conditioning themselves to be hyper-aggressive and oversensitive to the slightest jest are going to be the real problem makers.
Ie: people who listen to music that glorifies sensless violence ect ect


Ie: See a lot of drunk people at the Lotus or Red room Saturdays, yet rarely ,if ever, see combat.
Compare that to , oh lets say the Ozone, and the question is "how many fights will I see tonight?".

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Ummmm. Society breeds violence. Because this happens at a hip hop night, we can't blame the music . If they were all wearing Nike shoes at the club, would we blame Nike for the shooting? Why aren't we blaming booze seeing as how this happened at an establishment serving it?

It's easy for us to blame the easiest possible target if it is something that we, as a society are having troubles coming to terms with it. Evil duerr has it right! I mean if shit like this happens when goth/industrial people are involved, suddenly the media has to play the whole culture like its to blame. What if they go to the shooters house and discover violent video games? Wouldn't you think its out of hand to have lobbyist groups trying to ban the sale of those games?

Where do you draw the line?

Blanket statements like rap promoting and breeding violence make me ill. The whole genre of hip hop started out of violence as an alternative to falling under the vicious cycle of a lifestlye of poverty, drugs and violence through artistic means such as mcing, breaking, graf, etc. Because you know of a few top 40 artists and you even try to define the line between rap and hip hop (ps rap is music, hip hop is a life style.) does not give you the liscense to say things like that. If we keep blaming the music in this city the violence will never end because it is NOT the reason shit like this keeps happening.

(((excuse grammar and spelling...i type fast on the net and dont edit))))

lol....COME ON MYRA!!! nike shoes dosent sing to us about blowing that guy away cause hes on your drug turff!!


dose not give me the liscence?....sure it dose. i dont need a lecture on hip hop is a life style, rap as a means to escape poverty yadda yadda yadda. been there done that.

I know what i listen to. I know the differences between J-5 or common to 50-cent or slikk the shocker...

I also know what i observe in society. it almost ALWAYS seems that the wigger or 'gangsta types causing ruckus trying to emulate what they hear there heros rap about.

....didnt see much of thug posturing at the last indie rock show i was at.

why is it so difficult to see that music has a incredible effect on the human psyce and that for the most part...ahem FOR THE MOST PART (there sis you get that?) RAP facilitates negativity.

[Filo]

yeah.. but AT LEAST 70% of the people at red room or lotus on saturday are high and not drunk... makes a big difference, people at ozone or similar top 40/hip hop bars are almost guaranteed 100% drunk with a good portion coked out as well

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by impure

what you are totaly forgetting is that they're only doing what sells.
obviously if people had no intrest in the lifestyle assosiated with rap music then they'd change their image, or they'd not be mainstream.
they don't FORCE violence down the kids throats.
they make what the kids will buy.
does that make sense?
so really, it's society that's doing it to the rap artists.
society killed tupac because he was only trying to live up to their expectations.
(oh man, that's way out in left field, but then, so is blaming a music genre for peoples poor judgement)

they dont force it down kids throats???

of course they do, do you know how easy it would be for the majors to shift the direction of music tastes if they wanted to?

jesus h.t christ if enough people in high places started wearing pizza boxes on there heads the 16 year old girl who sees new trend while window shopping at le cetau will buy one.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Revolver

(((excuse grammar and spelling...i type fast on the net and dont edit))))

lol....COME ON MYRA!!! nike shoes dosent sing to us about blowing that guy away cause hes on your drug turff!!


dose not give me the liscence?....sure it dose. i dont need a lecture on hip hop is a life style, rap as a means to escape poverty yadda yadda yadda. been there done that.

I know what i listen to. I know the differences between J-5 or common to 50-cent or slikk the shocker...

I also know what i observe in society. it almost ALWAYS seems that the wigger or 'gangsta types causing ruckus trying to emulate what they hear there heros rap about.

....didnt see much of thug posturing at the last indie rock show i was at.

why is it so difficult to see that music has a incredible effect on the human psyce and that for the most part...ahem FOR THE MOST PART (there sis you get that?) RAP facilitates negativity.

Rap is spawned out of negativity it does not facilitate it. Don't let a minority who are more pop music emulating something popular culture buys into speak for an ENTIRE GENRE.

Did you miss the part that Dave posted about how this wasn't your average suburb dweller granville strip top 40 night? I guess not. I can certainly guarantee 50 cent wasn't being played at this night.

I mean come on, there was a shooting at the Benny Benassi afterparty. Do we blame house music next?

[dj_soo]

I love how all the anti-rap people are still trying to claim that this was a result of gangsta-rap attitudes.

has anyone even read Agrodaves post?

THIS WAS NOT A MAINSTREAM RAP NIGHT.

It was a fully "conscious" and "underground" hiphop night.

This has *nothing* to do with the music and *everything* to do with the asshole who showed up with a gun.

[hardstylin]

the club should get in major shit for this.

theres no way anyone should be getting a fucking gun into a club.

vancouver sounds like its getting to the point where MD's should be mandatory.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Rap is spawned out of negativity it does not facilitate it. Don't let a minority who are more pop music emulating something popular culture buys into speak for an ENTIRE GENRE.

Did you miss the part that Dave posted about how this wasn't your average suburb dweller granville strip top 40 night? I guess not. I can certainly guarantee 50 cent wasn't being played at this night.

I mean come on, there was a shooting at the Benny Benassi afterparty. Do we blame house music next?

i saw daves post and know PRECISLY what he means by the place being filled with backpack hip hopers.

but, i say it again, im not talking about backpack hip hop. im talking about RAP and the negative imagry it conveys to its listener.

and you know what...im willing to bet that as the shooter at benny benassi was driving away there was 50-cent, or the like, bumpin on the stereo and NOT ben folds five.

know what im sayin?

[impure]

Originally Posted by Revolver

they dont force it down kids throats???

of course they do, do you know how easy it would be for the majors to shift the direction of music tastes if they wanted to?

jesus h.t christ if enough people in high places started wearing pizza boxes on there heads the 16 year old girl who sees new trend while window shopping at le cetau will buy one.

bad analogy buddy.
really, think about it.
nelly wore that stupid bandaid, but did you see EVERY wigger in surrey wearing one?
shit no.
some dumb fucks did, but for the most part, no one did.
think about it buddy.