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Sep 27, 06
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Ed Rush & Optical - Chameleon (OH. MY. FUCK.)
Heavy fuckin' hittahs!!!
This album hits streets Oct. 23/06 but through the magic of the innanet you can have it NOW!! Solid album the whole way through! DON'T STOP GET IT GET IT! Got OiNK?!?! 
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Sep 28, 06
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I've got an invite.... but they're starting to be even more strict. If you invite someone who doesn't keep at least a 1.0 ratio.... they get booted and you can now get booted too. RISKY!
I realize keeping your ratio up is a pain but dag nabbit... DO IT ANYWAYS!
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Sep 28, 06
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apologies if you intend on buying it, but i know i'm speaking to the vast majority of file sharers.
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Sep 28, 06
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^I know what you mean..... I still buy a lot of music though.
I'll admit that this is not an album I'll purchase so you got me on that one. Also though, I'm a merch hound so I buy shirts, go to shows etc... and that's where more of an artist money comes from nowadays becasue their labels take most of the porfits on album sales. They literally earn pennies a cd. I guess in this repsect mind you the album is released on Virus which is their own label am I correct?
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Sep 28, 06
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^correct. theirs are probably the type of labels that really take it in the ass from file sharing. the independants, who are also responsible for most of the freshest music coming out today.
i don't think the merch argument really holds up either. if CD sales don't pay the bills, a label isn't going to keep putting out CDs because the merch profits will cover it. Likewise with mp3 sales as well, there are still costs involved in recording an album that won't be re-couped if half of the target audience steals it instead of paying. which i'm sure would be a VERY conservative estimate. plus, when was the last time you saw a merch table at a dnb show. i think it's fair to use file sharing to preview an album you're considering for purchase, but if you don't like it enough to buy... you don't get to have it. seems reasonable to me. judging by your initial post it seems like you like it enough that you'd shell out a few bucks to have it, if free wasn't an option. Last edited by Wood; Sep 28, 06 at 12:59 PM.
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Sep 28, 06
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I can't really say much back to you on this one... mostly becasue you're right and make a valid point.
One thing though is that a lot of the profits for a group DEFINITELY come from ticket sales to shows and if there's one thing I do it's go to a lot of shows. Bottom line though is that file sharing is NOT going away. Artists obviously need to learn how to work with it rather than around it. A lot of albums now come out with accompanying DVD's that have videos etc and that has convinced me to buy the album for sure. I don't claim to have the answers but I'm sure you can agree that somethng needs to be done.
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Sep 28, 06
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OK..... now you've lost your validity man.... as far as I know file sharing ISN'T illegal in Canada. On top of that if you want to compare the number of shoplifters to the number of people who share music then there's gonna be quite the gap.
If you can honestly say that you've NEVER shared/downloaded any music and not paid for it then you can be self righteous all over the place but I'm willing to bet that you can't say that. Like I said... this is why artists need to figure out how to work WITH it rather than AROUND it... it's not going to stop period. I'm not necessarily saying it's right but it's unavoidable none the less.
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Sep 28, 06
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file sharing isn't illegal, but piracy and copyright violation is. what you're saying is tantamount to telling a small retail store to "work with" an angry mob that's constantly looting their shelves.
how exactly do you propose that small independant labels "work with" people who anonymously steal every piece of music they release, and then continue to propegate those pieces to any other cheapass with an internet connection? this has been going on for a while now and despite the best efforts of all sectors of the music industry, the problem persists... as for my personal downloading habits... i pay for all my downloads now through a subscription service. anything i previously downloaded from soulseek or other networks i did with the intention of previewing for purchase. i've never been the type to go download an album that i know i want, mostly because a) i'm a vinyl fiend and b) i own a record shop so it's never really been necessary.
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Sep 28, 06
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I rarely DL music these days... if i do it's mixed sets that are available to the public online. i buy most of my music.
if you had posted this on DOA, you wouldn't have had the chance to blink and youre thread would have been removed. same goes for my forum.
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Sep 28, 06
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i personally wouldn't demand removal if it was trance but i think any stupid post like "download this album here" or "get the new illustrator here" or ... should be deleted.
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Sep 28, 06
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personally, I think if you're downloading music to listen to, you're in the green. if you download music to spin out for other people, you're being an asshole.
the concept of "theft" of "intellectual property" needs an overhaul. it's fine right now when we're dealing with music and books and images. but what about what's going on in the farming community, where people own the copyrights on strains of wheat and corn, and if you grow a crop of wheat and keep some of it to seed your fields next year (like farmers have been doing since we started walking upright), you're stealing from Monsanto???? same laws as those that apply to MP3s. at some point we need to realize that those laws are outdated and cannot possibly apply to all cases. fair use is fair use.
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Sep 28, 06
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i hear this all the time from people and it makes no sense to me. why should artists & labels have to pay for your listening? Are DJs the only people who should have to pay for music? i'm assuming you mean downloading for free... if not, never mind. Last edited by Wood; Sep 28, 06 at 04:19 PM.
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Sep 28, 06
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Just like I believe that only people who are using Photoshop or 3D Studio or Maya for work should have to pay for them, I think music is something that should be shared freely for non-commercial use. I think most musicians agree with me on this.
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