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Oct 23, 06
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Copyrights!
Read this on another forum board from back home. Was interesting, thought you would like it.
http://www.breakbeats.ca/showthread.php?p=5892 Apparently this guy figured he didnt need to pay royalties to the artists when he sold his CD. 
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Oct 23, 06
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Thing I find funny is how he goes on about his "New Style of mixing" and how "Its totally worth paying for it"
Yeah well, I downloaded it and it sounds like everyone elses mixing to me! Sounds like a Breakbeat verson of some Ibiza album or something! Had I paid for it I woulda been mad!
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Oct 23, 06
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Oct 24, 06
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you're trying to tell me say ripping off a sample from the matrix movie, is the same as what he's doing here? that's like saying, eating a grape in the store at superstore is the same as... robbing a mom & pop shop for the cash in the register.
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Oct 24, 06
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legally, it's exactly the same - you're using someone elses intellectual property without permission and profiting off it. I know 2 wrongs don't make a right but it's pretty much the same thing
You're telling me you thought all the local mixtapes you've seen for sale in your local record store are fully lisenced? Last edited by dj_soo; Oct 24, 06 at 11:57 AM.
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Oct 24, 06
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Yeah defiantly a certain element of hypocrisy in the industry… who pays for mix cd’s these days anyway?
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Oct 24, 06
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btw, i have a friend who actually released a legal, fully-licenced mixtape. The whole shebang cost him about $25,000 in fees :o (and these were all "undeground" electronic breaks tracks - not major label tracks).
People pay for mix CDs all the time - just walk into your local record store and check out the shelves - half of the mix cds for sale are local guys essentially breaking the law. That's how a lot of older-school hiphop DJs got their following too: slanging mixtapes on street corners... I doubt too many people are making a killing off these CDs and unless the DJ is really, really bad or really, really lazy (i.e. mixing only the last 8 bars with the first 8 bars of a tune), there's usually enough "artistic interpretation" in the blending of tracks and building a flow to at least see they aren't just burning a bunch of tracks on a CD and selling it. Seriously tho: you think mixes like Uneasy Listening, Journey's by DJ, Demolition Pumkin Squeeze Music or any other seminal mix that defined an era of modern DJing were licensed?
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Oct 24, 06
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Wasn’t there a crackdown though a while back? I seem to recall hearing about legal action being taken against record stores in a few major cities?
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Oct 24, 06
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i think the most annoying part is what Quest pointed out -
he just tried to turn it into a laugh and get away with it without bothering to say sorry to the artists whose tunes he didn't bother to license correctly... i know he's been into the DJ game for quite a while, and i can almost guarantee that he knew what he was doing was wrong. he was just stupid enough to advertise it online. of course he didn't post it on DOA but that didn't take very long :P
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Oct 24, 06
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This is an article about a raid in NYC - I heard there was one in Toronto too...
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/16/ar...erland&emc=rss
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Oct 24, 06
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Just thank god that he didn't have a Metallica acapella or something in there, or else who knows what would happen, Metallica might have shut down DJ's.....for life!
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Oct 24, 06
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there are hiphop mixtapes coming out all the time with unlicensed content. some of them quite high profile, with magazine ads & such. i'm sure there are some un-written guidelines in that industry as to what's acceptable (hence why you'll only hear 30-40 seconds of some tracks in the mix) and they're always 'for promotional use only' but it's no secret that people are selling them en masse. why is it tolerated? probably because of the exposure it can bring to the artists - exposure a lot of those artists won't get in today's Clear Channel dominated radio market.
we got into a conversation about this with Quest when he was last in town, and while i can understand his concerns, i don't think he's really thought the whole thing through. I mean, he says he'll host the guy's mix for free so nobody else has to pay for it? so what is he really worried about then - obviously not the potential cost to his own CD or record sales, if he's willing to give it away for free. and if all he's concerned about is someone else making money off of his work... well, anyone who's ever released an independant mix CD as a relatively unknown DJ knows that it's not a big cash cow. once all the promo copies are given out you're lucky to cover costs with the remaining sales. granted, this guy came off as a bit of a jerk and didn't show much respect for the artists involved... but why go to so much trouble to humiliate someone who buys all your records. imo, this industry has grown far too small to go around alienating fans for no really good reason.
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Oct 24, 06
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I agree buddy could have been more respectful about it and was silly for posting it, but at the same time from what I can tell he is fairly signifcant and contributing member of the EDM community, throws shows etc, shows with some fairly big names. I wonder how likely it will be for him to bring in someone like Quest now?
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Oct 24, 06
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that's what i don't understand. These djs selling random mixtapes in stores are not making anything remotely close to "profit" generally - and they are the ones spending the money on the tracks in the first place. I can understand if he printed 20,000 copies of his CD and had it for sale through an international distributor, but this is a local kid in Toronto selling a mix through local record stores. How many CDs was he really going to sell?
Yea, his attitude was shitty, but this looked like nothing more than an attempt to "set an example" with a bunch of headz sucking up to some "name" guys. And again, the hipocracy of all the uncleared samples used in released tunes, all the pirated software, all the white label bootlegs - while going after a guy who at the most is probably going to barely break even on the cost of producing these CDs - just kind of rubs me the wrong way. My guess is it's just easier to go after this kid who made himself an easy target than it is going after the ones that are actually costing the labels a lot of money: the anonymous file sharers, mp3 downloaders, and the like. Honestly just sounds like some labels and big name artists flexing their muscle and using an easy target to take their frustrations out on.
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Oct 24, 06
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yeah doesn't Aquasky bootleg another hit track every week? And sell thousands of copies? how is that not 1000x worse than a local DJ putting a couple of their tunes on a mix?
don't get me wrong - i don't have a problem with either. but in the eyes of the law... who's the bigger offender? not too hard to figure.
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Oct 24, 06
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what ever happened to the plurr!
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Oct 24, 06
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Plur Got Ruined By Hippees And Candy Ravers
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Oct 24, 06
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