Radiohead - In Rainbows - Page 2

dj_soo · #26 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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OH HAY WHEN YOU LEAVE IT BLANK, CAN YOU STILL DOWNLOAD? OR HOW ABOUT PUTTING 0.00 IN THE PAYMENT TAB?

NO? THEN MAYBE THEY'RE EXPECTING AT LEAST SOMETHING?

well shit - actually it does work.

Colour me red. :embarrest:

oh well - i'm buying the $80 box set anyway :)

esoter1c · #27 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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Originally Posted by dj_soo

well shit - actually it does work.

Colour me red. :embarrest:

Self hinned.:P

dj_soo · #28 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

yeayea, I still think it's lame that you would rather encourage people d/loading for free than pointing them to the donation screen.

I know you don't want to pay them any money, but some people do.

ebbomega · #29 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

I like this idea, and I'd be very interested to see how this, and future ventures of recently-released artists, pans out. If an artist can at least make some kind of return by self-producing and releasing online by user-defined donation, then we can basically cut the record labels right out of the market.

dj_soo · #30 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

I think it will only work for established artists. No way an up and commer can sustain any sort of business with this model without the previous exposure afforded to them by the major labels.

As seen from this thread, it's hard enough getting people to pay money even when they actually like the band. How are you going to sustain any sort of workable model when few people have heard of you and you're swimming in a sea of myspace artists all vying for attention? Some lucky and/or smart artists might be able to figure out some good marketing strategies to get people to listen and maybe even buy, but just talent won't get you known unless you know how to actually get people to listen.

esoter1c · #31 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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Originally Posted by dj_soo

yeayea, I still think it's lame that you would rather encourage people d/loading for free than pointing them to the donation screen.

I know you don't want to pay them any money, but some people do.

Leave the horse alone Soo, he's dead.

TrixX · #32 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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Originally Posted by dj_soo

well shit - actually it does work.

Colour me red. :embarrest:

oh well - i'm buying the $80 box set anyway :)

what box set???? telllll meeeeee

esoter1c · #33 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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Originally Posted by dj_soo

I think it will only work for established artists. No way an up and commer can sustain any sort of business with this model without the previous exposure afforded to them by the major labels.

As seen from this thread, it's hard enough getting people to pay money even when they actually like the band. How are you going to sustain any sort of workable model when few people have heard of you and you're swimming in a sea of myspace artists all vying for attention? Some lucky and/or smart artists might be able to figure out some good marketing strategies to get people to listen and maybe even buy, but just talent won't get you known unless you know how to actually get people to listen.

It's more about touring and doing live shows now than selling cd's.

Kinda like dj's use laptops instead of vinyl.

It's called progression.

If your musics good and people like it, they'll come to your show.

If you have 1 good song and 9 more shit tracks, people don't have to buy your cd and find that out, they can dl what they like and see you when you come around.

IMO musicians are now forced to be musicians instead of prepackaged bullshit with 1 hit single and a shitty overpriced cd.

Now they're forced to be a live act, a good live act or no, you won't be able to rip everyone off with your one radio friendly hit.

The internet is forcing music into higher standards.

No more hiding behind MTV.

If your shit sucks, we will know, you will fail.

esoter1c · #34 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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Originally Posted by TrixX

what box set???? telllll meeeeee

The deluxe Discbox version of the album also features a second disc with the following songs:

"MK1"
"Down Is the New Up"
"Go Slowly"
"MK2"
"Last Flowers"
"Up on the Ladder"
"Bangers and Mash"
"4 Minute Warning"

dj_soo · #35 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

have i said a word in the last few pirate posts you've made? The difference here is that Radiohead has a specific model which someone like you should be happy to encourage.

dj_soo · #36 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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Originally Posted by esoter1c

It's more about touring and doing live shows now than selling cd's.

Kinda like dj's use laptops instead of vinyl.

It's called progression.

If your musics good and people like it, they'll come to your show.

If you have 1 good song and 9 more shit tracks, people don't have to buy your cd and find that out, they can dl what they like and see you when you come around.

IMO musicians are now forced to be musicians instead of prepackaged bullshit with 1 hit single and a shitty overpriced cd.

Now they're forced to be a live act, a good live act or no, you won't be able to rip everyone off with your one radio friendly hit.

The internet is forcing music into higher standards.

No more hiding behind MTV.

If your shit sucks, we will know, you will fail.

Again, that's flawed. There are plenty of talented acts out there that don't have the marketing knowhow to even sell the shows. This model works for established and semi-established acts. And some groups have the marketing knowledge to get themselves known but many, many more don't and need the help of a label (not even talking majors). In today's DIY world of music, at least the labels (again - i'm talking the indies) help me filter through some of the bullshit out there to find the good stuff i may not know about.

Incidentally, I know the internet is redefining how the mainstream and major labels work.

But in the process, it's screwing over the smaller up-and-commers.

dj_soo · #37 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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Originally Posted by TrixX

what box set???? telllll meeeeee

costs 40 pounds:

THIS CONSISTS OF THE NEW ALBUM, IN RAINBOWS, ON CD
AND ON 2 X 12 INCH HEAVYWEIGHT VINYL RECORDS.
A SECOND, ENHANCED CD CONTAINS MORE NEW SONGS, ALONG WITH DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHS AND ARTWORK.
THE DISCBOX ALSO INCLUDES ARTWORK AND LYRIC BOOKLETS.
ALL ARE ENCASED IN A HARDBACK BOOK AND SLIPCASE.

THE ALBUM DOWNLOAD AUTOMATICALLY COMES WITH THIS PACK.
YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE FILE DIGITALLY FROM THE 10TH OCTOBER 2007.

DISCBOXES ARE BEING MADE TO ORDER AND ARE PRICED AT £40.00 INCLUDING POSTAGE.
SHIPPING WILL BEGIN ON OR BEFORE 3RD DECEMBER 2007.

esoter1c · #38 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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Originally Posted by dj_soo

Again, that's flawed. There are plenty of talented acts out there that don't have the marketing knowhow to even sell the shows.

If they are good, get enough free online exposure through blogs etc.

They will get signed and they will tour and they will blow up overnight.

They'll be used up and spit out by the mass media and back to wishing they were just some unknown indie kids in their parents garage just jammin' for fun.

C'est la vie.

Gusto · #39 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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yeah but you know, you could do them the big favour by linking to THEIR site, not rehosting it

i guess. it's kind of a trade off. they lose some data regarding how many downloads, where the downloads are initiated etc, but they are saving money on bandwidth costs and relieving an already really slow server. they can keep that as payment, heh.

does it say anywhere that they discourage sharing through other sites? maybe it does and i missed it.

TrixX · #40 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

woot. thanks guys ;) box set it is!!!!!!!

matéo · #41 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

I didn't know who radiohead was until this post. Thanks Blake I liked the link you put up so much that I decided to buy some of their older cds. Can't wait till the box set comes out. These guys are the real deal.

Gusto · #42 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

^ see, the system works. haha.

TrixX · #43 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

my cd burner is broken :(

i have no computer at home, the new cd is locked in to work...NOOOOOO

anyone want some company tonight, i'll bring the blank cd, you hook up the download??? :D

j3rk · #44 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

i don't care much for radio head enough to buy their album. I don't care for any artist enough to buy their album, but i do appreciate their business model and will donate $5.

The only digital things i buy, must come free.

....

Nevermind, their website is a piece of shit and I would never pay for this. Way too much fucking work to get what i want. ZShare sorted me out way faster and easier. More work than it's worth. I'll just buy another oink premium membership.

Revolver · #45 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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Originally Posted by dj_soo

Anyway, the point is they're doing everything you pirating bitches wanted - it's released on their own terms with no middleman and the only thing asked is essentially a donation of whatever the fuck you want (i.e. one cent) and yet you're still spreading it around cause you're too cheap to donate? And you get mad when someone calls you on it?

ugh...

"you pirating bitches''...."too cheap to donate".

i am not going to even waste my time or my energy with you.

dj_soo · #46 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

truth hurts

Revolver · #47 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

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Originally Posted by dj_soo

truth hurts

read this soo,

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Originally Posted by matéo

I didn't know who radiohead was until this post. Thanks Blake I liked the link you put up so much that I decided to buy some of their older cds. Can't wait till the box set comes out. These guys are the real deal.

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Originally Posted by matéo

I didn't know who radiohead was until this post. Thanks Blake I liked the link you put up so much that I decided to buy some of their older cds. Can't wait till the box set comes out. These guys are the real deal.

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Originally Posted by matéo

I didn't know who radiohead was until this post. Thanks Blake I liked the link you put up so much that I decided to buy some of their older cds. Can't wait till the box set comes out. These guys are the real deal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by matéo

I didn't know who radiohead was until this post. Thanks Blake I liked the link you put up so much that I decided to buy some of their older cds. Can't wait till the box set comes out. These guys are the real deal.

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Originally Posted by matéo

I didn't know who radiohead was until this post. Thanks Blake I liked the link you put up so much that I decided to buy some of their older cds. Can't wait till the box set comes out. These guys are the real deal.

get it yet?....

dj_soo · #48 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

oh right. I forgot, you're totally doing the moral and just thing by putting artists' work up for free when they're either a - sold in stores or b - (in this case) asking for donations.

This new internet sense of entitlement is hilarious. If you just straight up just admitted you're too cheap to pay back artists for their work then it would be one thing, but to claim that you're actually doing them a service is beyond delusional.

Oh well, carry on, robin hood.

esoter1c · #49 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

I smell a hinnin'.

Oh no, wait, that's just the smoldering leftovers from earlier.

Still claimin' donation eh.

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWL !!!!!!!!!!!!!

dj_soo · #50 (**permalink**) Oct 10, 07

simple fact is if they wanted to just distribute it for free, they would have just put it up and not gone through the convoluted process of setting up a "pay what you think it's worth" site. They're obviously looking for *some* compensation for the time, money, and work spent on that album.

I honestly do understand the theory behind the model of "give music away for free - make money back in gigs/merch" but the thing is that not all artists do or want to or even can subscribe to that kind of model and it's not up to you to tell the artists how to distribute their work - especially when it's coming from people who claim to like said artists.