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Feb 18, 03
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mistakes in sets by big name DJs!?!@
i dont know, you allways just sort of assume that the "big names" dont make mistakes and are generally flawless at mixing...right? i mean thats WHY they're the big names right? right? ....
im listening to this Marco Carola vs Gaetano Parisio live set and theres a couple really noticible fuckups. even one part where you hear the needle actually skip and skate over the record for a second, completely throwing off the mix. i listened to a paul van dyk mix the other night and man! right in the middle of it the records go out of sync and you hear him give the record a huge nudge which sounds like SHIT given theres long pads going on at that point... it doesnt bother me really, but its just kindof surpising. 
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Feb 18, 03
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nobody is perfect
if you here a perfect set you're either too ripped to notice the mistkes (if live) or its been digitally remastered to perfection (on cd) AGROout
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Feb 18, 03
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Just listen to one of his Stateside sets and you'll know what I mean.
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Feb 18, 03
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*i posted this on ED*
Acheiving 100% perfection in mixing Do you think that you can practice to the point where you can have absolutely flawless mixing? I've noticed a lot of mistakes in so called "big name" dj's recorded sets. now i compare this to many jazz guitarists i've seen live where they have actually played a FLAWLESS set, (ive played guitar for almost 8 years so i can spot a mistake most of the time) alot of it improvised. do you think that it is a virtual impossibility to have basically perfect mixing simply due to the inherent instability of the vinyl/turntable medium? the needles can skip, the tables can lag somehow, the slipmat can catch, the record can be warped, and sometimes, no matter how good you are at beatmatching, something just happens and they go out. playing guitar you have a very stable instrument (given its a good guitar) and if you have the skills, you can play hard and your instrument will repond to you, pulling off perfect playing. i've seen it done. thoughts?
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Feb 18, 03
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^ I love when I down load a demo CD,,, and tempo does not change from the frist track to the last. Ummm sorry even the world best turn table does NOT play the perfectly. Most tracks drift to higher BPM in the middle of the record. Hell if you can lock and leave two Demo CDs playing for any length of time, chances are nether of them are really live Mixes.
Who is that happy hardcore DJ, anibolic frolic (sp?) aka DJ protools? Oh yea oliver,,, you just notice now?
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Feb 18, 03
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^no i havent *just* noticed now. but it just struck me in such a way that i felt i had to say something. =)
so dave, about you saying that no turntable is perfect... do you agree that its an inherently flawed medium? impossible to become a virtuoso performer, never making noticible mistakes?
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Feb 18, 03
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Does it change if a DJ uses a CD deck like a Pioneer CDJ 1000 and a digital master of the track instead of a turntable and vinyl?
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Feb 18, 03
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^^^^yes
Records just smell better and besides little fuck ups are good we are human right???? If we go to using computers to beatmatch perfectly for us what is the difference between that and using a computer to make brittany spears vocie always hit the perfect note?
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Feb 18, 03
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also what is the perfect on time beat match any way? 1-5milliseconds 5-10milliseconds. Or max 50milliseconds
Could the slight waver of 2 tracks in turn end up giving a better sound? Just like good funky drummer, is NOT %100 on time but pushes and pulls the tempo. It's easy to know what is a bad mix,,, but what is a good mix is much harder question to answer.
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Feb 18, 03
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yeah i'm sure a person can come to the point of just being completely flawless with their mixing every time they play... it mainly comes with how much you practice and what state your ears are in to catch all those small lil beats.... which is pretty damn hard when your ears are fucked =p
but those kinda djs are VERY rare.... dieselboy is the only one i've seen and heard many times and havent heard one major fuck up (well ive seen his needles skip at Pound a few years ago but it wasnt his fault so whatever)
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Feb 18, 03
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"BIG NAME DJ" hah, ha, ha....most of the so called big name djs got that way not because they were the best-mixing dj around, they were either in the right place at the right time, or they got their break as a producer, released a couple of big records, and now they tour the world on the strength of the name recognition they got from those records. Oakenfold is huge because he was right there at the start of the rave phenomenon in the UK, he got a nice catch-22 going where because he was one of the original few DJs he got the tunes, and because he got the tunes he got booked, and he just kept looping that tunes/booking circle until he was a legend, it had nothing to do with how well he mixed, although i have e feeling he probably put a lot more effort in to it back when he was young and hungry.
the simple fact is that aside from a few exceptions and those djs in the turntablist genre, most djs don't get booked on the strength of how well they can mix, they get booked on how popular they are. as a good example i'd say that there are at least a dozen dnb djs in this city who are as good or better than 90% of the big touring djs from the uk. so why aren't they travelling the world? because no one in cleveland is going to pay $15 to hear them play.....and because if they did open for a big act and played a "better" set the majority of people wouldn't notice and would still rate the "bigger" dj as having played better. DJing is such an overrated skill it's getting hilarious.
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Feb 18, 03
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(^) What he said.
Also to add to that I believe this discussion is what will lead to the downfall of the "big time" DJ phenoma. People are bound to realize that their buddy DJ so and so is just as good as say Oakie. Also on the other hand I don't think DJ'ing will ever really die as medium because it's just so simple and simplicity works. The fact that all you need is a mixer two turntables and speakers plus a few DJ's to throw a party and have a good time just makes sense.
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Feb 18, 03
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i don't think i'd want to hear a "perfect" mix, by a big name or anyone.
part of a set is listening to how someone mixes, complete with pushes, braking too hard, and skips. when John B came down (to kelowna) he mixed way to loud, but that didn't detract from his set much at all. idunno, if i wanted to hear surgical mixing i'd just put tracks together in Cakewalk.
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Feb 18, 03
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I have never heard a perfect set from anyone... I have heard TONS of sets with different kinds of little (human and sometimes equipment related) errors but they were well hidden through mixer skills or whatever.
I think we are just reading into things WAY to much here which is reflective of the fact that SO many people are taking up spinning. Before, you went to a party, heard your favorite local spin and you walked away saying they rocked it! And they did... you were just to inexperienced to know/hear any mistakes during the set. In my opinion, a really good DJ is one that has great mixing/mixer and turntable skills (to hide the human flaws behind technology), one that has great track selection and one that has great energy and crowd interaction - somone who is as much into there own set as everyone else is! Now if they happen to produce dope tracks on top of that, then that is just sweet. The only DJ I have seen visit Vancouver that had ALL of these things combined is Antoine... I can't wait to bring him back out to a larger 19+ venue... Peace.
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Feb 18, 03
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i so don't even care if a dj fucks up a little.....but if they totaly flail.....then yeah it kinda sucks cause i have to stop dancing and find the beat again....
but usally as long as a djs playing some great tracks that i know.....i will totaly love them!!!!! ~Dalyn
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Feb 19, 03
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Feb 19, 03
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listening to so called big time dj`s can be extremely frustrating for myself and many other dj`s in vancouver.it`s unbelievable how over rated many of these u.k. guys&gals are.there are at least 20 dj`s from vancouver alone that given the oppurtunity could play a set comparable or better than anyone who`s ever been here.it doesn`t matter what genre your into ,vancouver has amazing dj`s.the saddest part about it is most ppl out there have no clue when your in the mix.there are tons of bedroom dj`s all throughout canada that could make dj`s like anne savage,paul oakenfold,john kelley,dj rap,etc,etc look like amateurs.
oh well i guess i`m a bit off topic by now,i just wanted to stress the fact that a lot of these ppl got to where they are now not by being the greatest dj`s but by playin the right tracks,knowing the right ppl,and just being in the right place at the right time.so they are going to make mistakes which is o.k. as long as there minor. i just hope one day ppl will know what they have here in locals.vancity has some of the best talent in the world maybe one day we`ll be appreciated. peace out dj doubledown
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