Hiding the names of tracks you play / Not giving track listings for mixes. thoughts?

[oliver]

allright. its interesting to see when djs won't post tracklistings or give track ids. its the everpresent question for alot of djs. do you hide the tracks you have because you've worked hard to find them? or do you share them all and give credit where credit is due?

i understand alot of peoples stance on this, every single dj half wants to hide their tracks from everyone else... but look at the biggest djs in the world! they give their tracklistings everytime they record. hell look at hirshee! hes one of the fastest rising djs in the city imo and he has never hesitated to give me a track id, or mention the new sick track he picked up. go to all the big or small djs websites and they usually have a "10 ten" listing for the month or week.

i've seen djs play sick new shit thats just never before heard and so ill, and they'll hold the record sleeve up to the crowd so everyone can see what the artist and name of the track are. good for them. i dont know if i would do that... haha but it shows some confidence on their part.

put the artists who make the actual music ahead of your own ego. if you're a good enough dj you'll be able to find lots of new sick tracks, and even if lots of people have the same tracks, its what you choose to really accent in your set , and how you choose to present the tracks that matters the most.

then again, part of dj culture and the fun of it is searching for those obscure or hard to find tracks that you're sure no one has heard of ;) and when youve finally gotten youre hands on it its hard to give it up...

thoughts?? =)

-o

[Filo]

i can see where both sides are coming from. But i'd have to side with the side that releases track names to everyone. Like Oliver said, there's always fresh phat new tunes comin out. If you care that much about having tracks no one has yet, then there will be another one coming out the week after. This all stems back to the ol skool hip hop dj's peeling off the labels. But whatever, like I said, I can see it from both sides. It's just my opinion

[Akeel]

my personal stance.

dj's shouldnt be getting booked because they have "the latest sick new track". They should be getting booked on being a good dj (which having "good" track selection is a part of)

no two dj's have the same style, how they mix things together, etc.

Hell i'm with POUND. An entire crew of dedicated breaks (&dnb) producers and dj's.

We all have a lot of the same tracks, but we dont sit there and whine about having the same records. Why?

because we dont mix the same or have the same style.

I think its pointless really, no matter what someone else is always gonna have a few tracks that you do. Make yourself stand out another way.

btw - dj's just play other people's hard compositions. Artists should get full credit for creating a piece. Honestly who cares what you find in a record bin.

[AWOL]

Originally posted by Akeel
dj's shouldnt be getting booked because they have "the latest sick new track". They should be getting booked on being a good dj (which having "good" track selection is a part of)

good point. but when i was doing Big Beat Boutique I booked a wide varity of DJ's and I heard alot of the same tracks every week. If I'm going to book a certain DJ it's because I'm looking for a certain sound. If every good DJ plays the same tracks, what makes them stand out?

[Akeel]

^^^
style and skill, man :).

its not what records you have but what you do with them.
here's a good example (kinda old but relevant i think).

Max Graham cream CD2 - layers dooms nite over top a beatstalker track. not just the distorted womp in the solo section, but the entire track. 2 songs played together virtually at the same time.

Now any idiot who can beat match can throw that over top of any old track-it takes someone truly skilled to layer effectively using their eq's and cutting at the right time.

why book a dj who just mixes one record to the next, when you can book someone who can scratch, cuts, works the eq's, layers brings in samples.

i play my drum machine while i dj, make loops on the fly,scratch, and if i'm behind a mixer with fx or a sampler i use those too. (just as an example-not tooting my own horn or nothing).

i guess it could be argued that i'm more of a live pa artist then, but i still play other peoples music while i do it.

It doesnt matter if you have the same records as everyone else. Put it together you're own way, experiment and make something unique. Thats what should set you apart.

[AWOL]

Originally posted by Akeel
dj's just play other people's hard compositions. Artists should get full credit for creating a piece.

very good point. I've decided to show my tracklisting for my mix.

[Sean]

I started DJ'ing so I could share the music I love with other people, and as a result of that I feel it would defeat the purpose of what I'm trying to do if I kept my tracklistings secret.

[dj4mula]

For people who are deep into a genre just be listening to a track you know the title and producer. However, for most people when they hear a track they may love the track but have no idea who its from.

I know from personal experience I've heard a breaks, house or even dnb track and wish I knew the track name so I could get it at home. :soak:

[Moon]

i started djing aiming to expose the lil subscene of my own to other people so putting up a tracklist is no bother. if you wanna dog my style go ahead and i hope it makes you proud

but the fun of the lil underground rave scene is exploring and going outta your way to find those track names. if you hear a track at a party MAKE SURE you ask the dj or other people what the name of the track is... since its easier to remember a word rather than a riff. once you know where to look for track names, youLL find out you've got alot more resources to find more music

[wigglesworth]

Good on you akeel, i agree with what you said.

Djs should always reveal their tracks. It helps out the artist that made them.

[Revolver]

akeel hit it right on the nose......

i hate when djs get uber snobby about their records or when i get a cold shoulder when i ask ino for a track....like im some lower form of raver cause i dont know what it is or somthing.

fuck share, explore and promote this music...dont stifle it to amen you over inflated ego.......thats what i walwasy say.

[oliver]

Originally posted by wigglesworth

Djs should always reveal their tracks. It helps out the artist that made them.

exactly! if you let people know who made the tracks, then more people will probably buy the record, and then the artist might make some money, and the label is happy and will sign more tracks by the artist.... so in the end you end up hearing more tunes from that artist that you enjoy so much.

if no one knows what it is, few people buy it, the label sees no need to really push that artist anymore and that might be the last you hear from them.

[Akeel]

Exactly!!!

i've never not told someone what track i was playing. Enjoy the music boys!!

I think about it this way, if i produced something and mr uber rave god dj doesnt share my music...what was the point of making it in the first place?
:c-tard:

[cheeseburger]

there are SOME artists that are making tunes not for the massifs and not for the money. They would rather the record digger dig then the trainspotter spot

Either way, if its a good record, it will be heard.

I would tell anyone a name of a track if they asked me, i'm not too sure if i would post all my gems everywhere tho

[wigglesworth]

The only way that i could see someone not sharing a record, is if they were digging for obscure older records to sample off of.
There's record conventions in new york, where hip hop producers will buy up all the obscure old breaks, so that no one else will use that sample in a production. I can see why.

[Filo]

aaron..... not really. they can just get the same samples off cd or the net

[Velcro]

Originally posted by wigglesworth
The only way that i could see someone not sharing a record, is if they were digging for obscure older records to sample off of.
There's record conventions in new york, where hip hop producers will buy up all the obscure old breaks, so that no one else will use that sample in a production. I can see why.

I don't get it.

You realise that samples can be taken from other media than vinyl, right? Are they buying up all the mp3's and cd's too?

[Revolver]

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http://www.hiphopdrums.com/
http://www.sounddogs.com/

there you go guys a few of my fav resources.......150$ for akai/wav. roms my ass!

[Crazy Dave]

Originally posted by Filo
This all stems back to the ol skool hip hop dj's peeling off the labels. But whatever, like I said, I can see it from both sides. It's just my opinion

Yea but ol skool hop hop DJ's for the most part had more skill then track to track DJ's or to day. Shit a good DJ about here is one that cuts the beat once or twice in his/her set, and brags about it the loudest.

[wigglesworth]

Originally posted by Velcro


I don't get it.

You realise that samples can be taken from other media than vinyl, right? Are they buying up all the mp3's and cd's too?

yah, i should've said they used to do this, early 90's style...

[dfltr]

Originally posted by Velcro


I don't get it.

You realise that samples can be taken from other media than vinyl, right? Are they buying up all the mp3's and cd's too?

i can guarantee that a good 80% of the records i've dug for never made it to CD and sure as hell haven't been ripped.

on topic though: i think disclosing the tracks you use is fine in most cases. why worry about people buying that track too if you've already beaten them to the punch and thrown it in a mix?

the only time i wouldn't list a track is if it'd get me in legal trouble. hey look it's that mashup i did of a pop song... uh oh, hi lawyers, how ya doin? eek.

[jmzD]

who cares about disclosure really?
the people who know know when a dj is playing well or when one is trying to make up for their shortcomings by playing fat tracks/anthems.

[mista hellfiya]

personally i would never NOT tell someone what track i'm playing, in the end what does it matter? i always have a current chart and tracklistings for all my mixes. the only way for someone to get into the music is to tell them what you're playing so they can listen to more of it (esp if you play not so mainstream). being a breaks dj its alot more important to get producers names out so people can check out whats going around...in the end its how you play the music not what music you play :smoke1:

[soma]

Originally posted by Akeel
my personal stance.



I think its pointless really, no matter what someone else is always gonna have a few tracks that you do. Make yourself stand out another way.

records are a fucking game. a certain # get realeased, a certain # end up in van, and certain # make on to the shelves at the stores.

one thing we must all keep in mind. if you miss the first run of a single. and you can't get it wait a week and it'll be available online or in the same stores that were sold out before. I know a bunch of guys who but masking tape over lables on their super elite records.

I think these people should get out more and maybe realise that the records don't make the dj.

ask any of my friends, I am one to get super excited about my vinyl but the last thing I'll do is hide it so I'm the only one to have it.

we're all suppost to be friends here, if I find a dope track I will tell as meany people I can about it. Theres never enough good beats and if I find one that I really enjoy I will push it on to others who I think will dig it.

why ?

because the artist are the ones who own the tunes not us dj types. (look at your records if they say promo only, the record lable or the artist could recall their pressings if they like)

[AWOL]

Originally posted by soma



we're all suppost to be friends here,

I think we should all make more of an effort for a more friendly community. I get alot better vibes form other message boards in other countries.