Pioneer DJM-600 Question...

[Akeel]

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go to thailand, the 600 wont be the industry standard much longer ;)
plus with all the new mixers coming out the 600 is going to get a serious price drop.

[Kraig]

Originally Posted by Akeel

There's a difference between those that make their own tricks and push the limits of their own creative ability and someone that just copies whats been done.

I hope that wasn't directed at me... I am not trying to copy anyones tricks with the 600... I just want to understand more some of the things this mixer is capable of.

[Akeel]

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definately not, Kraigory!

Post wasnt directed to you at all, bro! more so what i meant was something similar to what q-bert did with tones. He basically made a routine and then someone copied the whole thing exactly!

And he was the first one to use the pitch control to change the tone of a sound...everyone does it now in the DMC's though.

[Moon]

Originally Posted by matéo

fuck I have spent a good time coming up with tricks/watching other djs etc. To think you could ask how to perform a trick and POOF the instructions are a url away bothers me.(Not directed towards Kraig) I guess it makes sense though its a more effecient way of learning and now that I think back when learning how to scratch i learned lots online.

awww mateo you're so deeeep =)

hahaha werd man you know it i hear ya

damn i wanna get a pioneer board

[soma]

Originally Posted by matéo

fuck I have spent a good time coming up with tricks/watching other djs etc. To think you could ask how to perform a trick and POOF the instructions are a url away bothers me.(Not directed towards Kraig) I guess it makes sense though its a more effecient way of learning and now that I think back when learning how to scratch i learned lots online.

the hunt for the new tricks and turntable stardum is just a click away!

hears one for you matt most of the mixing techniques that I've learned have been in university.

[matéo]

I have been thinking back to when flave took a popular speedgarage tune at showtime and sampled 4 bars he then took the record off the platter and mixed in the bside.

I had seen this before but this time I had a pioneer at home. I went home and tryed the same thing.

Now everytime I play I seem to be using that sampler very similar to the way flave used it. I dont own those tracks he played and I have been doing something far different then he was doing with the 4 bars/mixing in a another record. Am I a biter? or is this what the equipment was meant for?

Akeel whos to say there wasnt another dj out there doing what qbert did? and now hes a biter.

[wigglesworth]

Originally Posted by matéo

Akeel whos to say there wasnt another dj out there doing what qbert did? and now hes a biter.

i doubt Q was biting anyone when he discovered that. he also came up with the crab scratch as well.

[Akeel]

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q-bert was the first to do that trick publically.

in my definition you would be a biter if you did it using the same record...but if you're basically doing the same trick (sampling the a side, then mixing in with the b side; regardless of the track) its biting. You saw something someone else did then copied it. woopteedoo. My point is that any idiot can copy. Its guys like flave & zabeila that push the envelope forward. As lace's vutag crew puts it

"innovate or die."

[Akeel]

Originally Posted by wigglesworth

i doubt Q was biting anyone when he discovered that. he also came up with the crab scratch as well.

He came up with hamster style as well too i think...and some guy in japan heard the crap scratch and tried to imitate it creating the twiddle. if i remember correctly.

[matéo]

Originally Posted by wigglesworth

i doubt Q was biting anyone when he discovered that. he also came up with the crab scratch as well.

I meant if someone was doing all along in his basement for a year or so and then qbert comes out with it during a comp then that doode in the basement is a biter.

[Akeel]

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wouldnt matter cuz nobody knows dude in the basement!

Turntabilsm history is pretty well documented since its still a very young art.

[dj_precise]

When Qbert did his routine with the tone it was a totally different concept than just using the pitch control. He drilled a hole off center on the record so when he played the tone it would scale faster and slower as it would go around (kind of like putting a 45 with the big hole on off center). Now I have seen the routine where he did that and I have never seen anyone doing that again. To my knowledge, dJ 8ball was the first to do the tone shit with the pitch in a dj battle creating the superman song and everyone does that shit now....

Also, I dont think qbert was the first to skratch hamster syle... I think everyone tryed to dj both ways back in the day before there were all these videos and what not teaching you how to do it proper. Hell, I even started skratching hamster for about a year because i didnt know how to set up my tables properly....

Anyways, who cares who does what first cause in the end 99.9% of us are all doing the same shit as everyone else.

[dj_precise]

Oh yea, and who cares about the 600

ITS ALL ABOUT THE NEW PIONEER 909 BABY!!

[wigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Akeel

He came up with hamster style as well too i think...and some guy in japan heard the crap scratch and tried to imitate it creating the twiddle. if i remember correctly.

no the twiddle defnitely came first.