reason

[SLOW DJS]

P.s. any one who says reason sux, just dosent know how to use it!

[P.A.R.T.Y]

Just bought a Roland Juno-106 for $300 by way of the classified on FNK. I may not know how to use Reason as well as you, but I bet you can't program this synth as well as I can.

[Séguin]

Originally Posted by SLOW DJS

P.s. any one who says reason sux, just dosent know how to use it!

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. Using Reason is like trying to play in the NHL with one arm. Reason users fail to see how they're handicaping their writing abilities by using Reason. That's why they'll always remain stuborn pricks who's music lacks audio depth forever.

[Séguin]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Just bought a Roland Juno-106 for $300 by way of the classified on FNK. I may not know how to use Reason as well as you, but I bet you can't program this synth as well as I can.

WHAT! $300!?!?! You son of a bitch!

[SLOW DJS]

Originally Posted by Robb Peppertre

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. Using Reason is like trying to play in the NHL with one arm. Reason users fail to see how they're handicaping their writing abilities by using Reason. That's why they'll always remain stuborn pricks who's music lacks audio depth forever.

You see man, were talkin about two completely different styles, for making hard house and happy hard core your right, hardware is better, Im talking about sampling, and using it in conjunction with other programs and hardware, as good as it is to use hardware the only thing that is going to match up to a "dr.rex and recycle combo" for sampling is an MPC, and you still wont get as much diversity, and it would take ten times as long. Ive seen a ton of people discard reason because there too lazy to learn how to use it,(I almost did myself), But I also know a few very talented producers who use it, and you would be very suprised at what they would come up with.
Some of your favorite producers probably use it too!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Robb Peppertre

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. Using Reason is like trying to play in the NHL with one arm. Reason users fail to see how they're handicaping their writing abilities by using Reason. That's why they'll always remain stuborn pricks who's music lacks audio depth forever.

I don't use reason myself, but it doesn't sound like your arguments are based on anything other than your incredibly biased opinion.

MK-S and Robert Nickson both use reason exclusively and make some of the best new trance out there at the moment. I never really liked it myself, but it's quite capable of making professional quality sounds with enough practice.

If you think that cubase or logic will instantly provide you with way better sounding shit, then you're setting yourself up for some serious disappointment.

[Séguin]

Originally Posted by SLOW DJS

You see man, were talkin about two completely different styles, for making hard house and happy hard core your right, hardware is better, Im talking about sampling, and using it in conjunction with other programs and hardware, as good as it is to use hardware the only thing that is going to match up to a "dr.rex and recycle combo" for sampling is an MPC, and you still wont get as much diversity, and it would take ten times as long. Ive seen a ton of people discard reason because there too lazy to learn how to use it,(I almost did myself), But I also know a few very talented producers who use it, and you would be very suprised at what they would come up with.
Some of your favorite producers probably use it too!

I can think of other programs that can do that as well. Like Cubase.

[SLOW DJS]

Originally Posted by Robb Peppertre

I can think of other programs that can do that as well. Like Cubase.

have you ever used recycle? or an MPC?

[Séguin]

I use VSTs that are better.

[dj_skratch_1]

Logic 6 Pro. Enough said. My suggestion would be to learn reason as much as possible, then move to logic, logic sounds a lot less midi, and more complete as far as the exact sound you want.

Step 1 with reason. Learn signal flow. Learn where the signal goes after you hit a note on your keyboard. Keyboard, soundcard, 14:2 mixer (or MIDI BUS, depending on if you are bussing any midi information), Sound Device, FX device, then from there, it will go into your sequencer. When I first started working with reason, I programmed everything, if you don't have a keyboard, that would be the best way to learn. The Edit window (as opposed to your arrange window) is where you will be working the most. Note that once you start writting in information and flip back to your arrange window, you will see lil red lines reprezenting your audio. Select them as a group (1 bar, 2 bars etc), and hit CTRL G to make a region out of them for ease of use for copying, pasting, etc.

Step 2 with reason. Mixing. you can do alright mixes within reason. I would suggest to mix in logic or cubase. Id probably say more so cubase than logic, b/c logic doesn't really like reason files unless you have a 6 db headroom with your audio MINIMUM. Therefore, when you are happy with your composition, solo every track (in your sequencer preferablly, you could do it in your mixer but if you are running more than one mixer, it gets ugly, fast.) name your tracks according to instrument/part/etc, then import your stems (individual tracks) into Cubase. Mix away.

PS: for optimal audio quality, check your mix by summing it down to mono, whatever disappears, means it is cancelling with something else, the way you avoid that, is to add a little bit of chorus to it so that one is slightly nudged from what it would be cancelling with.

I hope this helps.

[dj_skratch_1]

Originally Posted by SLOW DJS

have you ever used recycle? or an MPC?

MPC is alright. too monotonous as far as ease of use goes.
recycle = stay away from. Make your own loops. Don't use Dr. Rex, its a lazy way to produce in my opinion.

An Alternative. Sample Tank 2. It owns every sampler I have ever seen. A producer who I am working with right now, who has been producing for 25 years hasn't seen anything better. As a person who compulsivley studies the newest tools for electronic music production, I totally agree with him.

Alternative 2. Kontakt. With Logic, as well, you don't need anything else. Sample Tank is still way better tho, but this is an ideal alternative.