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Oct 21, 05
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also, whats really funny is your use of the word "REAL" in your argument, considering that analog synths are emulations of instruments themselves... meant to emulate violins, guitars, pianos, etc... one could argue that these "analog synths" are destroying music because they aren't "real" like actual guitars, violins, pianos, etc. just like a tb303 will never sound like a real bass guitar, some psuedo-intellectual purist could talk shit about everything you do and tell you that you're the problem with music today... all you're doing is trying to justify why you've spent thousands of dollars, which is understandable... but that doesn't change the fact that the music comes from within the person making it, and that the instruments are just the tools... there are many shitty vsts... but there are many worth while as well that sound PERFECT and anyone that tries to tell me they can tell the difference are completely full of shit... its like a person that claims they can tell the difference between organic and inorganic fruits, but are totally clueless when you give them inorganic fruit when you forget to tell them its inorganic... just total fucking bullshit... this is my last reply to you concerning this topic... 
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Oct 21, 05
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for FL users
what plugins do you use or where do you get samples?
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Oct 21, 05
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You sound pretty clueless to me. i don't even want to get involved in this conv and waste my time, but please, just read over some of your posts.
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Oct 21, 05
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Just my 2 little cents,
but i think you ought to try Camel Audio Chameleon, Absynth 3, Reaktor 5, or the B4 before you totally write off software synthesis. edit: for P.A.R.T.Y.
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Oct 21, 05
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First of all, I don't regret purchasing analog synthesizers, that is an absurd assumption coming from a person possessing a weak intellect.
I have listened to shitloads of softsynths and I nearly own all of them. There is no comparing analog to digital synthesis, analog synthesis is way better. The only close calls are the virtual analogs synths, which sound relatively close to analog synthesis, but much much closer to their software counterparts. Secondly, digital audio and video are completely different. Comparing the two will require me to check you into Riverview. Softsynths were created to replace their analog predecessor, but they failed miserably. Even with the realtime controlls, they haven't a prayer. Before you shoot your mouth off, take your foot out first. I never said that people are incapable of making good music without analog synthesizers, what I am trying to explain to you is that the analogs synthesizers sound better. Analog vs. Digital is bullshit, they both sound the same. Its untrue. Modelling an analog signal does not recreate the warmth of a true analog oscillator. If anything, digital synthesis is it's own strength, unfortunately, I see it as a weakness. I don't want to come across as an elitest or anything, I think what I'm saying is common knowledge. Last edited by P.A.R.T.Y; Oct 21, 05 at 10:16 AM.
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Oct 21, 05
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I used to get into this argument a lot, but realized a long while ago that it just doesn't matter.
It all comes down to personal preference. If you prefer analogue synths, they're going to sound better to you. I know they do to me, but most of the professional, pressed, full-time producers I know are 100% or nearly 100% software. It only makes sense - if you're doing it for money, the only thing that matters is the end result, not how you got there - the unwashed masses don't care if you built the guitar by hand, they just care how it sounds. Software is much faster, much less hassle and if you do it right, sounds just like hardware. Instead of spending $1000 on a synth, spend $1000 on a decent D-A converter, and presto, your softsynths sound better than quite a few hardware synths. FWIW, I can certainly hear the difference between a real and a virtual PolySix when they're A-B'd, but if you show me one or the other on a set of speakers I'm not intimately familiar with, I doubt I could pick out which it was. *shrug*. I'm not a pro, I'm a hobbyist, so I can be as big a purist as I want about it. So what if it takes me weeks to finish a track, I don't have any deadlines to meet! :) I love my synths, but I love them for what they are more than how they sound... I like to *play* with my toys, not click on them.
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Oct 21, 05
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Oct 21, 05
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Access Virus Indigo TDM: requires a TC PowerCore, which is about $1600, then $799 for the software plugin. The hardware Virus Indigo is about $2200. Absynth: $359. Kawai K3M additive synthesizer rack on eBay: $299. OHHHHH, you mean STEALING costs less. Yes, I agree.
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Oct 21, 05
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Oct 21, 05
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Oct 21, 05
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1.) my studio PC (Athlon 2500+ custom box, dual LCDs) 2.) my soundcard (MOTU 828mkII) 3.) my sampler (MPC1000) 4.) Ableton Live 4 5.) the leather couch. ;) The most I've ever spent on a synth was $400 USD for my SH-101. I guess I don't really have a point in this, but if I was to spend another $400 on the studio, I personally would pick a Juno-106 or similar, for the simple reason that in ten years, a Juno-106 is still going to make excellent noises, where something like Absynth, I'll need to keep around a PC running an ancient copy of Windows XP... OT: yay! my coworker (an ex industrial/ebm guy) is loaning me his Waldorf Microwave XT indefinitely! It's digital, but man, what a sound... and a dedicated knob for every function...
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Oct 21, 05
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Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y
"The thing is, you don't get it. I was simply pointing out a picture of the Korg mono/poly and you took it as an attack and pointed out your hurting webpage instead. I think the point is that you are ill informed and because you rely solely on softsynths, you opinion is of no use to us REAL musicians." also... how dare you say that someone that uses digital isn't a "real musician"... the fucking arrogance of some people... yeah, a top of the line gibson sounds better than a $100 guitar, but its the time and effort invested into learning how to play and write music that makes the musician... and a REAL musician has the skill to make due with what he/she has... I really think that its fucking sad that you think analog synths define a "real musician"... and to say that digital synths are "destroying music" is 100% elitest... "Virtual=Real hmm..someones wires are crossed. Thats like saying when the guitar was invented it replaces singing. Your complete moron." what the fuck did that analogy have anything to do with what you just said? my analogies make sense, yours don't... the irony P.S. this is my truly my last reply, as you're now on my ignore list... I've given you too much of my energy already and I'm not going to waste anymore... Last edited by (val)Liam; Oct 21, 05 at 03:26 PM.
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Oct 21, 05
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Oct 21, 05
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I've missed it ever since. :( They're about $1200 new, but once you try one, you'll be spoiled for any other chair for life. PS: Got the Microwave today. I was mistaken - I thought it was the 7U orange beast, but it's the 2U blue one. Nowhere near as cool. Still cool, but nothing like the orange one. :(
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Oct 26, 05
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Finally grew out of FL Studio. Now I'm using a combination of Pro Tools,
Reason 3 and Vst plug-ins.
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Oct 28, 05
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^man. serious.
when it comes to art, its not the tools you use; its how you use them that counts. What counts are things like "what you have to say", do you have something interesting and new to contribute? is what you are doing with art innovative or just replicative? These things count, not how much money you spend. You cant buy talent (maybe record execs can, cuz theyre rich, but you cant). and thats what sells. Get off yer high horse. All that hardware you got isnt gonna make you any money, its the person behind it that has to make that happen. discouraging people from using music software is bunk. what are you trying to accomplish with this?
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Oct 28, 05
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Everyone has their own methods for making music. (Example, in this picture the producers DO NOT use any software but are capable of making amazing music and even reworked cover songs from groups like New Order) Personally, I use Cubase 2.2 and the occaional plug-in/softsynth, but I would never, under no circumstances rely solely on VST's/Reason 3/Cubase sx/FL Studio to make a track.
On futureproducers.com their are tons of musicians *mostly American* who are making music with plain old Reason and Cubase. The quality is, how you say, crystal shit. The sound is bright, timed, loud, and annoying as hell. These producers are battling eachother over who's track is the best. I listen to it, then I listen to my digital alarm clock and I think I wanna go back to sleep. My final thought: using software is great, the VST collection is growing everyday. We have plug-ins like Vanguard, K-station, Minimoog, Legacy, Pentagon, Prophet 53, etc... But something is missing, the inspiration and warmth that a true analog synth and drum machine bring to the track, the breath of fresh air that you will breath standing behind 40 well tuned knobs that are self ocsillating in a way created from scratch. Before assuming that I have spent thousands on my synths, consider what I have gained; musical masterpeices that I can listen to for the rest of my life, is art not its own reward? don't get caught up in the money game, a decent synth won't set you back that far.
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Oct 31, 05
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I play sythesizers, well mainly just one, but I multitrack with a 8 track digital recorder, then I ping pong, and play guitars, bass, drums etc... add vocals,
cut loops off cdjs and add stuff build sounds up, and just be creative, real time compositions, no software, Im wierd, but it works, and this way I develope my own sound over time. May not be for everybody, but I like it.
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Oct 31, 05
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Yeah, it was a good party. I have lots of pics from that night, they did a hell of a good job. They had some ancient oberheim sampler with .5 second sounds that were just insane and Craig was switching prom chips back and forth.
If you want more pics, I'll e-mail you, I also have some wicked studio shots. Those were the days.
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Nov 01, 05
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What to use to produce
I was always taught to work with what's easiest for you.
There is no perfect tool for everything. I've used the products below and will leave some feedback based on my personal experience with them I produce hiphop remixes, breaks, dnb, soft rock, R&B, and cantopop Acid: 5.0 build 128 is slow in response time compared to 4.0d. You get more features, but boy, do you ever pay for it in lag. I have just installed 5.0c, and will see if it's any better...but i still have the problem of unresponsiveness FL studio: the older version 4 gave full version synths, but in 5 they must be bought. so i use 4. This program is good for modelling, but is limited for full production.. it lacks flexibility of sound manipulation/editing found in acid or pro tools. Reason: good, and easy to use...definitely better than filling your place up with racks and modules. But the downside is you gotta buy stupid packs to get more out of what you want and it too, lacks the visuals and editing. Hard to use for remixing - VERY HARD. Cool edit/Audition/Sound forge: all good . a cheap multitrack recording system.. with the right plugins, can become your mixing board and mastering software. Samples vs VST synths: when you can't sample it, create it with a synth. I have about 7 VSTi synths I pluck from that usualy go outta date every 2 years. I prefer to sample already-mastered sounds whenever possible...why try reinvent the wheel? Controller keyboards: this is a must. I rotate between 3 midi controllers... an Evolution MK461c for electronica, M audio 61 key for playing piano/acoustic, and a mixman DM2 for laying down 'scratches'. On the road or in coffee shops, I use an Oxygen 8 & dm2 coupled to my laptop. I recommend all of them. To produce something i'd say start with a sketch, just as if you're gona paint a picture. Divide up the movements of your track into different parts of your project, and lay out the outline... but find a program that will allow you to substitute out certain sounds, and have control over individual parameters.. Nuendo and Logic are both awesome for this.. but they learning curve is steep. Cubase is alright, but I find it's kinda behind the times.. Steinberg makes some kickass stuff, but they're slow to release. I've listened to a lot of homestudio creations, and they all seem to suffer from the same common ailments in their early years: too much bass, thin-sounding, and low volume or oversaturated. You wanna hear some stuff I make, look for me where breaks or hiphop are playing, or download free from www.pientertainment.com =)
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Nov 02, 05
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Speaking as a PC user, I kind of prefer a program like Cubase which is optimized for a PC rather than a program like Logic which is no longer updated for PC.
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