i dont know the difference between techno and trance...

[ppcock]

and yet i work at a record store

So im at boomtown today, im looking through the techno, i pick up 2 tracks and they're both hard trance tracks

one of them is almost really hardcore trance and the label said "house"

im not complaining.. just check every section for that record you're looking for :)

[Carrie]

lol.

incompetant monkeys

[ppcock]

its not that.. but i mean, if they work at a record shop.. they should be able to know the difference between trance and techno.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Maybe they're just keeping you on your Toes?

Or they could just have no idea...

[FeelGood]

or someone picked them up and put them back down into the wrong sections.

[miss.myra]

Boomtown is full of specialists who know a whole lot about what they play, I'm not going to go in and ask nicky for info about hot new dnb singles.

OH! and I like the newest addition who is usually in on sundays at boomtown, i went in the other day and he was listening to andy smith, very good taste in music.

[ppcock]

there's no one for techno or trance :(

I could soooo do it!

[Wood]

believe it or not, Marty, we don't actually listen to every single record that comes through in order to determine the genre. We usually rely on what info we get from our distributors (or a quick google search) to classify them. We actually have to have everything classified before it even gets to the shop. So, with 3-400 pieces arriving per week, a few mistakes are bound to happen. Deal.

Thew reason we don't have a techno/trance buyer is because a) the only person who EVER did it dilligently now lives in Alberta, b) the only reliable source for that stuff in n.america went out of business earlier this year, and c) most trance kids are playing CDs and NOBODY buys techno.

on the up side, there is a new canadian distributor opening up soon who will carry more of this stuff, particularly the German imports. So we MIGHT start carrying more again... but i'll need to see a very sharp increase in demand for this stuff before i even think about bringing in another buyer. The only trance that sells right now is the really big name stuff, and i don't need help ordering that. As for the techno? that's always been a hit & miss genre, no other section of the store has left us with as large a ratio of dead stock. So I refuse to put my money on the line for a couple of fickle heads who may or may not even come in the shop every week. Maybe if i liked the music i'd put more effort into getting it going... but i don't, and i have plenty of other sections that need my attention (reggae, downtempo, rare groove) that show much more promise of doing big numbers in the future.

That said, we have no plans to stop carrying these genres altogether. We will continue to bring in what we can, and will continue to keep our eyes out for a new supplier for those sections. But if things continue they way they're going lately, pretty soon trance & techno vinyl won't even be available in north american shops.

[ppcock]

No offense Wood but the reason no one buys techno is because that pile is nothing but crappy techno.

cant you order stay up forever, hydraulix, maximum minimum, FUSE, RAW, smitten, etc anymore?

[wishbone]

what do you even spin these days marty <3

[Flip]

Originally Posted by ppcock

its not that.. but i mean, if they work at a record shop.. they should be able to know the difference between trance and techno.

Of course there's a difference. Techno is garbage, Trance is rubish. They both suck equally but in different ways.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by ppcock

No offense Wood but the reason no one buys techno is because that pile is nothing but crappy techno.

cant you order stay up forever, hydraulix, maximum minimum, FUSE, RAW, smitten, etc anymore?

all those labels we were ordering from majestic in LA, who went belly up around February. We can find them elsewhere, but it's kinda like, why bother, when we can spend that money on breaks, house, hiphop or dnb records that we KNOW will sell, instead of catering to 2 or 3 guys who probably will end up ordering it online the day before it hits our shelves.

in short, the demand is not there. Having someone like Mirka on staff made it viable because she had no problem putting in countless unpaid hours managing peoples special orders, keeping very close contact with her customers & suppliers & making sure she only ordered what was ablsolutely necessary. And even she had a hard time keeping the techno section moving (hence the crappy leftovers still on the shelf). If i knew anyone who i thought was capable of doing Mirka's job, they'd be hired in a second... but employees like that only come along once in a blue moon. pardon me for saying so Marty, but i think you'd be a pretty poor buyer. You have your head way too far up your own ass, bud. :moon:

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by Wood

pardon me for saying so Marty, but i think you'd be a pretty poor buyer. You have your head way too far up your own ass, bud. :moon:

OHHHH SNAP!!!1

[miss.myra]

I <3 boomtown

[Wood]

i think one day i'll have you come in & categorize one of my orders, marty... then we'll see who's laughing

"OMG HE PUT DOWNTEMPO IN THE HIP HOP SECTION... AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A DJ!!! HAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!! WHAT A MEAT STICK!"

[dj_soo]

i find dnb tracks in the downtempo section all the time.

people make mistakes. deal with it.

pardon me for saying so Marty, but i think you'd be a pretty poor buyer. You have your head way too far up your own ass, bud.

fits right in with the "DJ" mold tho :)

[automatic]

it's gotten so bad that someone actually made a techno record that samples eminem "nobody listens to techno!" over and over......HELLO!!!!

but seriously, we need more "jazz gabber" records wood, start up a section, you can pay me $10 hour to come in for 8 hours a week and do the ordering

[automatic]

http://www.vagabondage.com/genres/index.cgi?1130184757

[automatic]

actually, never mind all that, i just realized what needs to be done.

i'm going to open a record store that sells nothing but techno and breakcore, and if your name isn't ppcock or torment you can't get in. it'll be so exclusive it won't even have a name!!!!!

i'll be a millionaire!

[ppcock]

no shit auto.. they've used that sample in so many tracks
I will never ever buy a track like that. Im not dj cyrus.

[Wood]

^damn right you're not dj cyrus... dj cyrus would take your punk ass to school bitch... he'd shit in your mouth and make you swallow

btw... who the fuck is dj cyrus

[FeelGood]

i believe ben giovanni spins that nobody listens to techno hardstyle track.
but i could also see dj cyrus spinning it as well.

[SquiLa]

Originally Posted by Wood

If i knew anyone who i thought was capable of doing Mirka's job, they'd be hired in a second... but employees like that only come along once in a blue moon.

Hmmm ^ Yeah, well, I guess you wouldn't really know unless you give somebody a chance first eh? Not go off hearsay or whatever other judgement/reason you might have. But whatever.

I agree with Marty that a lot of the tracks left at the moment in-stock at Boomtown for trance (I can't speak much for the techno) is crap; obsure shit, raver, just ghey, weirdo or plain old nothing really good to it trance. There's good trance and lots of not so good trance out there. The last record I bought was back in June there because there hasn't been anything else worth buying (IMO) since. Sure perhaps it's cuz Mirka is gone. But when I go browse any record store now it's the one that actually keeps up decent stock on a regular basis. Yeah I know, supply and demand - and the risk involved. But really if there were tracks that I and other trancers/techno heads want at Boomtown on a more regular basis I'm certain that there'd be more of us coming in more often. I pay $22 a record ordering by Fed EX from the UK!!! That is the only alternative I've been left with.

P.S. Now with On Deck gone there should be more demand for special orders too eh.

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by automatic

i'm going to open a record store that sells nothing but techno and breakcore, and if your name isn't ppcock or torment you can't get in. it'll be so exclusive it won't even have a name!!!!!

Thank god.. finally someone will listen to me.

Thanks Auto! see ya tuesday!

[Wood]

Originally Posted by SquiLa

Hmmm ^ Yeah, well, I guess you wouldn't really know unless you give somebody a chance first eh? Not go off hearsay or whatever other judgement/reason you might have. But whatever.

I agree with Marty that a lot of the tracks left at the moment in-stock at Boomtown for trance (I can't speak much for the techno) is crap; obsure shit, raver, just ghey, weirdo or plain old nothing really good to it trance. There's good trance and lots of not so good trance out there. The last record I bought was back in June there because there hasn't been anything else worth buying (IMO) since. Sure perhaps it's cuz Mirka is gone. But when I go browse any record store now it's the one that actually keeps up decent stock on a regular basis. Yeah I know, supply and demand - and the risk involved. But really if there were tracks that I and other trancers/techno heads want at Boomtown on a more regular basis I'm certain that there'd be more of us coming in more often. I pay $22 a record ordering by Fed EX from the UK!!! That is the only alternative I've been left with.

well the main reason i don't have a buyer is really the distributor thing... i could bring somebody on to buy the stuff, but i honestly wouldn't know where to send them to get what they want. As i mentioned before, our only reliable source went under earlier this year. So all i can get in right now is either the really big labels, or super cheese shit that i wouldn't dream of ordering. All that crap that's on the shelf that you guys are complaining about, that's not the result of us not having a knowledgable buyer - it's stuff that's left over from when Mirk was bringing in lots of product & inevitably ending up with a few bad eggs. No one here could have done a better job, guaranteed. Sometimes when your buying you take a chance that doesn't pay off. So we get stuck with some bad tunes, every shop does.

The only way I know of that we could get the hot product now is to order form over seas, which is NOT a viable option due to shipping costs. It's something i've researched extensively and trust me when i say the numbers DO NOT work. The only time in the past that we were capable of ordering from England & Europe was when we were running a small distribution company out of our back office, supplying about a dozen shops accross the country.

So it all comes back to this - there's risks involved that i'm not willing to take right now. Mirka was an ideal buyer because she proved to me that she was capable of making those sections move, before i even put her on payroll. If somebody else came in and did what she did there's no reason to think that they wouldn't get a job out of the deal. But you'd have it a lot harder than she did, because of the lack of distribution. It's frustrating for me too, bacause i know i'm losing sales... but what to do? All i hear from the trance heads is complaints, no solutions. It's not as easy as just 'order this, order that'. order it from WHERE????

anyways, hopefully this nerw guy back east is gonna set things straight, and maybe we'll be able to start carrying more of the trance again. I'm much less aprehensive about trance than i am about techno, cause it actually has been a profitable section in the past.... but there's no point in me hiring a buyer until they have somewhere to buy from. right?

P.S. Now with On Deck gone there should be more demand for special orders too eh.

for trance? not that i've noticed. we've definitely picked up a few more house, breaks & dnb customers since they went under, though... was on deck even buying much trance?