production question

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by influenza

Well, honestly,


you have no idea what you are talking about. Good producers use loops constantly. Depends how you use them. If you think anyone good in DNB or breaks for that matter, is not using loops, you're sorely mistaken.

Loops do not have to be used AS IS. Producers constantly layer, rearrange, and yes even use AS IS in their productions. Very few DON'T use Loops.

jase

I honestly think that a good producer will make their own loops from samples... some wont, thats their choice. Ive seen big producers share their loops with others so they can achieve the same sound without the trial and error task of trying to mimic it...which will never sound AS accurate.
I know that most people that use loops get really lazy and make a whole track with premade loops and maybe add hihats and a snare to make it seem "original", and effects to give it a "unique" sound. Coupled with a bassline and melody and a few movie samples... voila you get a trance track that just sounds like a mashup of 5 other producers.
Dont get me wrong though, some people use loops but still do 80% of the production work themselves to give their track that "ORIGINAL" sound. Kudos to that.

Im just saying, I find it rough on other producers that do their own work, when some cookie cutter track gets a record deal over a track that was done from scratch (well most of it atleast)
Like hell imagine another producer using the Pendulum synthetic drums to make their track, then remade the loops JUST LIKE the Pendulum tracks, then added their own bassline and called it their own. Hell I would probably mistaken it as a new Pendulum track if it was really well done.

[Leviathan]

Amen!

As Jason said lots of professionals use loops, by the time they are done slice, dicing and filtering them you'd never even know it.

Just because your modifying a loop made by someone else doesn't mean the track has to be cookie cutter. It seems to me it would take more creativity to make the loop sound different than it was orginally intended.

Originally Posted by influenza

Well, honestly,


you have no idea what you are talking about. Good producers use loops constantly. Depends how you use them. If you think anyone good in DNB or breaks for that matter, is not using loops, you're sorely mistaken.

Loops do not have to be used AS IS. Producers constantly layer, rearrange, and yes even use AS IS in their productions. Very few DON'T use Loops.

jase

[nabs]

its easier to work with loops, it you wouldnt have to repeat the same beats over and over, just click and drag. It would be such a headache making a whole track with just samples. and i cant imagine doing DNB without loops.

[inside]

I've decided using sound to make music is considered cheating. Music will now be broadcasted using a series of blinks from my left eye.

[nabs]

hahah.

[BenGiovanni]

The whole art of making a loop out of allot of others is something different, I guess we were just all on a different page. I was mainly reffering to most new producers that discover loops and make tracks completely out of them.

[oddmud]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

The whole art of making a loop out of allot of others is something different, I guess we were just all on a different page. I was mainly reffering to most new producers that discover loops and make tracks completely out of them.

Well you're complete out of the loop. ;)

I don't know any releasing producers that just take loops, and use them AS IS. That wasn't my point, it's all about taking bits and pieces and using them in a unique way.

No one is taking a Hawtin loop, using it alone, and releasing it. You're out of it if you think that actually happens.

As for you saying that big producers sharing their loops with others so they can by pass trial and error, again, you know nothing of what you're talking about. You can't just take a loop, ad a bassline, and release it. It just doesn't work that way.

Quit while you think you're ahead.

[nabs]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

The whole art of making a loop out of allot of others is something different, I guess we were just all on a different page. I was mainly reffering to most new producers that discover loops and make tracks completely out of them.

I consider downloading loops cheating! I make my own loops and then use them. its just way easier to work with.

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by influenza

Well you're complete out of the loop. ;)

I don't know any releasing producers that just take loops, and use them AS IS. That wasn't my point, it's all about taking bits and pieces and using them in a unique way.

No one is taking a Hawtin loop, using it alone, and releasing it. You're out of it if you think that actually happens.

As for you saying that big producers sharing their loops with others so they can by pass trial and error, again, you know nothing of what you're talking about. You can't just take a loop, ad a bassline, and release it. It just doesn't work that way.

Quit while you think you're ahead.

You would be surprised how much trance is released with "stolen" loops...
too bad half the tracks sound amateur.

[oddmud]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

You would be surprised how much trance is released with "stolen" loops...
too bad half the tracks sound amateur.

LOL, who cares, trance is the shittiest music out there.

[BenGiovanni]

Personal preference... but I find it hard to be the shittiest music out there... when it is quite a preference in Europe along with House, and why undergrounds here containing all breaks or dnb dont sell quite as well opposed to the all trance shows that ive seen sell out to the capacity.

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

Personal preference... but I find it hard to be the shittiest music out there... when it is quite a preference in Europe along with House, and why undergrounds here containing all breaks or dnb dont sell quite as well opposed to the all trance shows that ive seen sell out to the capacity.

Ashley Simpson has sold more records than some of the most talented hiphop artists around , does that make her better? hellzzzzzz no

trance = headache

oh well, to each their own.

[-evil-duerr-]

^ and plus, trance is the only style of music that will drink your milk, straight out of the milk carton!!! That's really gross!

[inside]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

^ and plus, trance is the only style of music that will drink your milk, straight out of the milk carton!!! That's really gross!

DnB heads drink goats milk right out the nipple. Now that's hardcorezzzz.

[oddmud]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

Personal preference... but I find it hard to be the shittiest music out there... when it is quite a preference in Europe along with House, and why undergrounds here containing all breaks or dnb dont sell quite as well opposed to the all trance shows that ive seen sell out to the capacity.

People are sheep, and people hate stuff that makes them think. top 40 is the TOP 40 tracks in popular music, doesn't mean it's good. house is much much much better than trance in my opinion, and yes, it's MY opinion. No one else has to agree.

[mux]

lol.

I used to think that any music that wasn't techno was crap.

Even though I was mostly right, I eventually burned myself on schranz. I couldn't listen to anything for months. Then I came to a realization:

I like music.

Everything is relative - I've heard some great trance, and some absolutely godawful breaks... if it has *some* musical talent behind it, then it's worth a listen, IMHO.

[nabs]

I like all kinds of music, initially trance hooked me to the electronica scene, and currently yes i am spinning trance, but, it opened me up to a lot of other types of music, i never actually knew what DnB was before, i never knew what breaks were before, or for that matter i had no idea what House was. But now i love all of em, of course there are some i dislike and some i love. so music is an art. everyone has the right to their own comment.

[(val)Liam]

Originally Posted by mux

Everything is relative - I've heard some great trance, and some absolutely godawful breaks... if it has *some* musical talent behind it, then it's worth a listen, IMHO.

a-fucking-men brother!