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Feb 11, 06
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Loops or Samples?
What ditinguishes a good producer is if they make their own drum patterns and then make them into loops to use for future productions incase they get lazy and dont want to make a new drum pattern. Most producers buy hardware with drum samples with it... some buy synthetic drum kits online (on a cd) and then make their own drum patterns from the drum samples on the cd... Some people buy loop cd's (pre made drum patterns) and then use them instead of producing their own sound. People who buy loops are just doing "Cookie Cutter" productions opposed to original arrangements. 
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Feb 11, 06
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agreed.
spend an afternoon making kickdrums using Stomper. spend an afternoon walking around the house with a tape recorder and a microphone, hitting stuff with a spoon. spend an afternoon with a microphone and a good djembe player, and record him beating on drums, water jugs, tables, whatever. best advice tho - save everything in an organized filesystem from day one - like, save your stomper drums in C:\mysounds\stuff I recorded\single hits\drums\kickdrums\stomper\ - the more organized your collection is, the more useful it'll be as you build it up. I've lost years of work, not due to hard drive crashes, but just because I'm not sure where in the tangled mess of old backups the files are stored. if you build your own collection of samples you've made, eventually your own sound will emerge, and you can shape that in the direction you want.
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Feb 11, 06
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If your actually producing tracks, you need to make your own stuff from scratch. Use whatever, just dont use premade loops.
If you really just want a few loops to play around with, talk to me on MSN.
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Feb 11, 06
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Logic Audio....for sounds and samples, AKAI sound banks are killer, Ive always been a firm supporter of sound design, some of the best patches are ones that are 100% designed by the producer/engineer, thus its a genuine fit with the production....Be creative, find old Hannah Barbara sound banks, put them thru an ADSR filter/envelope, or merge and filter strings with a horn section, that's a technique I use all the time. Hope that helps
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Feb 11, 06
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Awesome, Cubase is great, great MT prog for VST composition. :y: Have fun
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Feb 11, 06
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Do a search on fnk for Cubase, Ill-esha and some others posted some good content about certain aspects of cubase. She's very knowledable with the program so give her a shout. Or do a google for sites like futureproducers.com or something
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Feb 11, 06
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Cubase wired with reasons Re-Drum machine.... fucking saves lives...
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Feb 11, 06
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another place to check out producing and what not is em411.com
awesome website... Lots of information based on programs , vsti plugins, midi controllers, hardware, lots of good advice if you choose to do a live pa.... But ya... Cubase is nice... Gotta love the rewire feature so you can use reason and record things properly... Its just that ableton 5 is a bitch I find with rewire and reason... just doesn't work properly at all. Getting a delayed response.
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Feb 11, 06
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if you wanna produce trance, just download a bunch of VST instruments .. search "absynth 2 / fm7 / junglist / pro53 " etc there's lots of them. From what I understand, Ableton supports VSTS.. so you just gotta figure out how to set them up in your program. You'll end up with 100s and 100s of sounds. Then use the mixer and the effects/filters in the program to tweak the sounds to make trippy shit.
just don't let the programs and everything overwhealm you, start small and keep reading and keep addin to your skills.. oh and get a Midi controller.... you can program in drum samples and kits and tap out the drum beat, then do the same with all your synths and bass. really fun.
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Feb 12, 06
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If you're interested in house/trance samples...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MESE%3AIT&rd=1 Pretty cheap considering..
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Feb 12, 06
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The best sounds are the ones you create. I have tons of sample CD's, but they just don"t have it. I used to go to magazine shops and buy the CD's that came with the mags at Fairview newspaper on Granville and Broadway, but again, they just don't have it.
Ocasionally, Reason 3 had a sample I can use, but they are far and few between. I don't want to end up sounding like I copied someone elses work (eh hemm. Madonna) Just do your own thing. It takes money, time and a lot of reading, but will certantly pay off in the long run.
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Feb 13, 06
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make your own
buy a mike bring it around with you during the day, and record ambient noises, cut them up and filter the shit out of them, make a unique sound. ive made songs from samples from being on trains, in cars, skytrain, skateboard parks, downtown noises, clubs. just get creative, you dont have to download them, create something you can call your own
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Feb 13, 06
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cool thanks. what i did today was record some daily sounds, filtered them and made a few great loops. but now i need sum help from someone who knows Cubase. i make my loops in FL Studio and when i import them to cubase i get a little bit of silence in the end i want to know how to remove the silence
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Feb 13, 06
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^^^Sound Forge^^^
Fruity loops is very much a logical sequencer; Cubase is much more involved, much more abstract and creative. Learn the tips and tricks of Cubase quickly. EG. buttom G and H allow you to zoom in and out of the track. The F1-F12 are linked to specific time saving functions, etc.. Good luck to you and enjoy yourself.
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Feb 13, 06
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you have no idea what you are talking about. Good producers use loops constantly. Depends how you use them. If you think anyone good in DNB or breaks for that matter, is not using loops, you're sorely mistaken. Loops do not have to be used AS IS. Producers constantly layer, rearrange, and yes even use AS IS in their productions. Very few DON'T use Loops. jase
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Feb 13, 06
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^agreed. you can make any sound your own, you don't need to be in the kitchen banging pots & pans together to be original. efx, filters, eqs, layering & above all using good source material are the hallmarks of a good producer, not spending hours engineering a generic sound that you could've downloaded in 2 seconds. Unless you have the luxury of a high-end studio in a very finely tuned acoustic room, chances are you won't be able to engineer better sounds than the ones found in pro kits, anyways.
Last edited by Wood; Feb 13, 06 at 04:12 PM.
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Feb 13, 06
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ps - nabs, i can hook you up with some good generic drum sounds & breaks to get started with, if you want. just add me to msn & hit me up in the evening when i'm at home. not sure if what i've got is appropriate for trance, but i'm sure you'd find it useful.
[email protected] Last edited by Wood; Feb 13, 06 at 04:22 PM.
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Feb 14, 06
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I'm going to have to agree with influenza and wood on this one... I use Stylus RMX for loops... pretty sweet program... thing is, I make ambient music, and occasionally I'll add a 4 bar beat in there just to give it a little spice... but I do so more to give the melodies and textures a reference rather than build entire tracks with them or make tracks that has its focus on the beat as opposed to the melody, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that... if I want to make something from scratch I'll try to find drum banks for kontakt, or an CD in AKAI format that I can convert to a kontakt .nki... and kontakt can be awesome for that because you can have multiple channels running in that program so you can compress and eq your bass kick, snares, and cymbals seperately...
as for making trippy sounds and stuff... most of it is taking a generic sound, from say a synth, and then beating the living shit out of it with effects... delays, phasers, flangers, reverbs, gates, lfos, filters, vocoders, anything you can throw at a sample... you'd be amazed by the pads you can make with an "aaahhhhh" choir sample or a low-end drone after you apply a program like camel space or some reaktor 5 effects to it... Last edited by (val)Liam; Feb 14, 06 at 01:37 AM.
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