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Sep 20, 05
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First of all, and I would have to say most important... THERE ARE HATERS EVERYWHERE! EVERY SCENE, not just electronic music or dnb. Im fairly new to the dnb scene, but I sure as hell DO NOT feel it. It has become my home, the best home I have EVER EVER had. we arnt haters at all. geeez, I have been to so many random club nights just out of support, of promoters doing good things for Van-City. Dnb"ers" dont hate anymore then anyone else in the world. And trance does suck, i knew that LONG before I knew what dnb was. But i dont care that other people listen to it. There are a few trancey tracks i can handle, but ya just not my thing, I was SO excepted into the drum and bass scene, which alot of those people fall into the breaks, house and hip hop... so SHUT UP you dont know what you are talking about. The dnb scene is very supportive, all you have to so is support it back, yourself. I was REAL about everything, didnt dress all up to trance it out or house it up. I went there to make friends and learn, BOTH have been achieved. TO GIVE IT A CHANCE As for calling us haters, ya alot of us hate trance, but we dont hate you! so stop hatin on us! its about the music, dont make it personal with addin the "ers". These AGRO dnbers you think of are prob jib techs so whatever, they suck. All I can say is, you make an appearence in the dnb scene a few times, we will for sure be asking who you are to bring you to our side! lol. nah but really, we arnt gonna tell you to get lost cuz you like trance, we are more likley to tie you down and blare dnb in your head till you realize IT... IS ... THE SHIT! BOH! 
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something tells me your jungle lifestyle isnt what alot of jungle supporters/scenesters lifestyles are like. it would make more sense if you said djing or being a musician is a lifestyle. Or being a party goer is a lifestyle. All the people that build up these scenes are not all the same, or even alike. So in most cases these people are all living quite different lifestyles than eachother. How does that make sense if they are all supposedly living this one lifestyle called "jungle" or "hip hop" or "punk. you know what? it doesnt. your response reaks of self absorbed musician/and/or scenester sentiment. the human life isnt so simple that you can put one of these labels on it. They put labels on products so you can read them. You cant read people (not well enough), and as much as youd like to, you cant label people (not well enough either), and if you think you can your full of shit. Last edited by -evil-duerr-; Sep 20, 05 at 11:51 PM.
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Sep 21, 05
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dabbler, see thread.
You're limitting my point to only the people who go to DnB parties. again, I'm not claiming that i know everything about the music or the scene. (everyone stop saying that I don't. I DONT! i never said that i did). very simply (and for the 5th time): This thread is addressed to the fakers that think that as soon as they start listening to DnB, they are automatically called Junglists, and are therefore BOUND to become agro and hate on other genres like trance. Most of these people may not even like the music. the scene, or me knowing anything about DnB has nothing to do with this.
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Sep 21, 05
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All this posturing on both fronts doesn't help either of your causes one bit.
In fact, if you truly have a love for music none of this would be going on. I'm patiently awaiting another csquared post along the lines of this.... "OMG I THINK I HAVE TO BREAK UP WITH MY GIRLFRIEND BECAUSE SHE JUST DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH THE DNB MOVEMENT MEANS TO ME!!!!"
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Sep 21, 05
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You can't get more AGRO than me
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Sep 21, 05
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oh, and please leave the insults out of it
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Sep 21, 05
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The problem is people not pursuing what they're passionate about or interested in life, keeping themselves distanced from that because they are intimidated by the strong impression it has on people, or overwhelmed by its intensity. I for one am not one of those people. if you knew me, then you'd know how much dnb music means to me.
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Sep 21, 05
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<----- NATURAL BORN JUNGLIST
All this banter begs the question. What is a junglist lifestyle? Imho it means that you eat, sleep, breathe and shit jungle music. It has nothing to do with how you dress, although how people dress is usually the most noticible thing about a person, so it's easy to see why people make judgements based on fashion. The whole jungle vs trance debate has been going on for years. They're two opposite ends of the spectrum, with passionate devout followers in each camp. For me straight beat music, with uplifting synth lines and atmospherics, gets old really quick. Alot of DnB is agressive and that agressiveness is often transferred to the "DnBer" in a way that they feel they need to act a certain way ('ardcore). This attitude change is part of a growing process and/or an awakening for some or an immature phase for others. Bottom line, through my 10yrs + in this game I have met many of the forefathers of jungle music and most of them are the nicest, chillest people I have ever met. Not one of them has a "agro DnBer" attitude. So maybe that's something for those of you who like to carry around the junglist chip on your shoulder. If the OG junglists are attitude free, maybe we all can learn a thing or two from them. "Now I know, now I understand. Now I see, I see your wicked plan, I'M A JUNGLIST" ~respect all crew~
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Sep 21, 05
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I get up in the morning and put on some jungle, maybe breaks
I get off work and put on some jungle, maybe breaks I get in my car and there's jungle playing, not breaks, don't got any on minidisk yet I get ready for bed and put on jungle, maybe breaks I'm having sex and I put on some ambient dnb, definitely not breaks I go to a friends house and I pull out a cd that I brought to put on jungle or download some, to put on jungle, maybe breaks after about a week of putting on jungle I find I get a pretty shitty attitude towards people, and breaks Does jungle make me agro? maybe, but then I go to sleep and when I get up in the morning I put on jungle, no breaks this time
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Sep 21, 05
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I dont think ive said anything to hint that i dont realize the scene is huge. I just said you cant go calling some genre of music a lifestyle. b/c life cant be categorized that way. Btw i vist dogsonacid regularly (for the music) , but thanks for the headsup. Im not surprized its in the top 20, its a fuckin awesome site. You missed the points i was trying to make entirely. Get off the defence. All i was trying to say is That terms like Punk lifestyle and Hip hop lifestyle, and therefore Jungle lifestyle is kinda of a silly notion . that is all. If you still dont get what im trying to say re read the first post / i thought i explained myself fine.
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Sep 21, 05
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^^^ Tell that to KRS-1
"Rap is something you do. Hop hop is something you live" Why is it a silly notion to live a hip hop, jungle or punk lifestyle? If you spend a great deal of time, energy and dedication immersed in one of those forms of music/cultures, would that not make it a lifestyle?
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Sep 21, 05
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Hiphop has been a lifestyle for many long before the advent of hiphop on the radio or the blingtastic shit you see nowadays. The true hiphop heads know. Music is art and some people live for their art. When you dedicate yourself to the cultivation of your prefered art it becomes a lifestyle.
However, defining yourself soley by a single thing can be over the top.
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Sep 21, 05
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umm. krs-1 sells records. you beleive everything he says? he may live hip hop. but theres a good chance most the people who are paying his bills for him dont. they live 9-5 working joe drudgery with fleeting moments of hip hop enlightenment to take their mind off their REAL problems and their REAL life. You need to look at the big picture. And how people actually function in life. And how that these scenes are made up of so many people, with so many different ways to them. all with sometimes the same or similar, but usually quite different lifestyles than one another. Drum and Bass is huge with a huge following. you cant tell me they are all living lives the same, or have the same lifestyle (this is what the argument is , is it not?). people are more diverse than that. I write lyrics, rap, produce music and a fan of hip hop. and i dont even think i live a hip hop lifestyle as if there is such a thing. The image of hip hop and what it means to the masses is so fucking distorted now from what it was. thank the media and producers like eminem for that. Hip hops not a lifestyle anymore, its a fucking industry. Most people who get into it are in it for the money, the people who say their in it for the music? They wuoldnt be trying so hard if they didnt think they were gonna get payed for it. Get real people Last edited by -evil-duerr-; Sep 21, 05 at 03:34 PM.
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Sep 21, 05
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You're right, most people don't live a "hip hop" or "jungle" lifestyle, but to say that there's no such thing or it's a silly notion, is simply not true. When I was thinking about those living a hip hop lifestyle, I wasn't referring to the bling bling mainstream commercial crap, I was thinking about artists and people I know who actually live hip hop.
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