Jan 19, 04
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ok, sorry about bringing this back..........
but i got a few Q. - can you OD on GHB? - someone said its made from floor cleaners? but i've read that its a natural occuring thing in our bodies. which is true? -according to this book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846 they say: "GHB is a substance naturally produced in the body, that is nonaddictive and proven safe, yet FDA and media hype have prevented the public from reaping its benefits. Over 30 years of clinical studies in Europe have shown that GHB can help improve sleep, encourage weight loss and muscle strength, break alcohol and drug dependency, enhance mood, improve sex, and possibly prolong life. In this book, the authors set the record straight, explaining the proven benefits GHB. Photos & illustrations. " so when u guys do G, do u experience any of those or u guys just get high? -and i've heard that ppl use this as a date-rape drug. but how do they do it? ppl say never mix with alcohol cause it can/might kill you. so at a party, there is usually alcohol, and if they slip it into the girl's drink dont' they risk killing their new target? -any side effects of G? -also, when ur g-holing, hows the sleep? like a wholesome sleep or when you wake up its like some hangover feeling and its like u didn't really sleep? edit: i found this: thanks...http://www.rajeun.net/ghb.html they make it sound like those amazing-good-for-you drug. :017: Last edited by edwinx; Jan 19, 04 at 12:17 PM. 
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witch one..?
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Jan 19, 04
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- someone said its made from floor cleaners? but i've read that its a natural occuring thing in our bodies. which is true? -according to this book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=books&n=507846 they say: "GHB is a substance naturally produced in the body, that is nonaddictive and proven safe, yet FDA and media hype have prevented the public from reaping its benefits. Over 30 years of clinical studies in Europe have shown that GHB can help improve sleep, encourage weight loss and muscle strength, break alcohol and drug dependency, enhance mood, improve sex, and possibly prolong life. In this book, the authors set the record straight, explaining the proven benefits GHB. Photos & illustrations. " so when u guys do G, do u experience any of those or u guys just get high? -any side effects of G? -also, when ur g-holing, hows the sleep? like a wholesome sleep or when you wake up its like some hangover feeling and its like u didn't really sleep?
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Jan 19, 04
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G-holing is pretty nasty.. more often than not, for the ppl who are around you... But as far as the sleep/being hungover, it's pretty much the deepest sleep you can get, and usualy you wake up feeling disorientated at first, but after you are aware of your surroundings, you usually feel pretty damn good.
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Jan 20, 04
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^ As for side effects and sketchyness... like all drugs, if used irresponsibly there is bound to be bad side effects. With my experiences... ppl who do g on a daily basis, it almost seems to cause a physical addiction. And it can get pretty ugly too.
I don't know how good it is for your your body, overall... I'm sure that if used with lots of responsibility (which is damn near impossible with any drug) it probably won't do too much harm to you in the end. If your gonna do it be very very careful... as 1 mL too much and you could be g-holing.
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Jan 21, 04
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^^ G is something that ppl can get physically addicted to , my ex bf couldnt sleep at all without it plus if he didnt do any (which was practically never!) he would become very bitchy. But thats an extreme case i think u would have to do it many many times a day to become addicted. There isnt really any sketchyness what so ever after u do it. After u G-hold u wake up feeling soo rested its not even funny sometimes u experience confusion for like the first few minutes after u wake up usually because u dont know why the fuck u are sleeping. Of course u get high of it otherwise ppl wouldnt do it . GHB has a bad reputation for being used as date rap but its not very common at all, all they really have to do is put a dose in a really really hammered chicks drink and shell pass out its not really likely that theyll die but a guy thats rapping them probably doesnt care too much to begin with ~Michelle~
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Jan 22, 04
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This web page is good,,, but like all information on the net, DON'T put your full trust in it.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb.shtml this site looks good also. http://emedicine.com/emerg/topic848.htm Quote:
2 If you take 3 - 4 times your Personal Threshold Dose, you may find yourself Unconscious and Vomiting. 3 If you take more than 3-4 times your Personal Threshold Dose, there is risk of death." -erowid "those who suffer from any of the following conditions should not use GHB: severe illness of any kind, epilepsy, eclampsia (convulsions), bradycardia (slowed heart-beat) due to conduction problems [left-bundle-branch-block is an example of conduction difficulty], Cushing's syndrome, severe cardiovascular disease, hyperprolactinemia, and severe hypertension" -erowid Quote:
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"GHB, or gamma-hydroxybutyrate, is a normal component of mammalian metabolism. It is found naturally in every cell in the human body and is most properly considered a nutrient. In the brain, the highest amounts are found in the hypothalamus and basal ganglia [Gallimberti, 1989]. GHB is found in greater concentrations in kidney, heart, skeletal muscles, and brown fat tissues [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. It is believed to be a neurotransmitter, although the jury is still out as to whether it exhibits all of the properties required for fulfillment of this function [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. It is both a metabolite and precursor of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid, or gamma-aminobutyrate), another nutrient to which it bears a close structural relationship. GHB, however, does not act directly on GABA receptor sites [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. (Crazy Dave Edit- but GHA breaks down in to GABA so there for it does) GHB was first synthesized about thirty years ago by Dr. H. Laborit, a French researcher interested in exploring the effects of GABA in the brain. Because little or no GABA crosses the blood-brain barrier, Laborit synthesized GHB, which substitutes a hydroxy group for an amino group. This difference allows GHB to cross the blood brain barrier where some of it is metabolized into GABA [Vickers, 1969]. As it turned out, Laborit found that GHB exhibited a range of effects beyond those expected from GABA. Over the intervening years, numerous researchers have extensively studied GHB's effects. It is has come to be used in Europe as a general anesthetic, a treatment for insomnia and narcolepsy (a daytime sleeping disorder), an aid to childbirth (increasing strength of contractions, decreasing pain, and increasing dilation of the cervix), a treatment for alcoholism and alcohol withdrawal syndrome, and for many other uses. During the 1980s, GHB was widely available over-the-counter in health-food stores, purchased largely by body-builders for its ability to stimulate growth hormone release which aids in fat reduction and muscle building. In the last few years it has been gaining popularity as a "recreational" drug offering a pleasant, alcohol-like, hangover-free "high" with potent prosexual effects. " -erowid Quote:
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I've used after parties to get rid of leg cramps, and kinda of an anti-sketch for MDMA use. (and prevents some of the damage to the cells), I've also used it to fight jet-lag, or just changing from working in the day to working in the night. Would you call drinking just one glass of beer a high? If not then using small amounts of G to calm ones self after a hecktic week of work, is also not getting high. Don't get me wrong,,, I love to take enough some times to get me G-ed up. I love the sillyness of it. Quote:
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Jan 22, 04
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so basically you make GBL, then when you injest GBL, it gets converted into GHB in your body and then your body uses the GHB to produce those effects and stuff?
and...after taking GHB, after your high, do you feel tired and want to sleep? like how you smoke pot, and it makes u tired.
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Jan 23, 04
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NO NO you don't want to injest GBL,,, it's too hard on the body in a does enough to efect you.
GHB is more like being drunk then a pot high. -this is a rough gide,,, some people will G-hole with as little as 1 gram, or 5mills. Low does (0.5gram) chills you out, just like a glass of wine. Ok for getting a better sleep. Or just taking stress off of you mind. Med does 0.5-1.5 makes you silly. Low end is kick ass for dancing, or hanging out in club. High end makes you a little to wobbly for much other then laughing at stupid shit with friends. High 1.5gram makes you sleep like a fucking brick, but is not really a G-hole because you can wake up. (well most people can) Very High 2grams will cause most people to G-Hole. Higher then that you really risk G-holing(passing out) and puking. This can lead to death. Now for some people like me I can stay awake insed of G-holing. I fucked up with my does once doubled the volume(about 3-4 grams). If i had passed out I would have surely died on my own puke. But then again the same is said for drinking beer, I've had friend roll me over once or twice so I did not die. YUMY sounds like fun!
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Jan 23, 04
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^read way more about it then I said,,, go look at the web sites.
Also start with a really low does,,, remember G can take a while to hit your system. So taking more to quickly can fuck you badly
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Feb 21, 04
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GHB harm reductionpost started here: http://www.psychoaction.org/forum/vi...ad.php?tid=231
Remember -Don't mix GHB with Alcohol -Know your dose amount and remember one batch might be stronger or weaker then the last. -wear a GHB bracelet or write GHB on your hand so that if you become unconscious others will know that you have G-Holed, and be able to take care of you more effectively. -Color your GHB blue -Know your source, there are many things sold as GHB which aren't and can be very risky to ingest. -Keep your GHB in a container which can not be mistaken for a drinking container. If someone does go into a G-hole: -Check their breathing. -Turn the individual on their side so if they vomit while unconscious they won't choke. -If there is reason to think they are in danger, call help immediately. The most dangerous period is between 20 and 120 minutes after ingestion. -Try to find out what else they may have taken. Whenever someone becomes unconscious after taking a depressant, there is a risk of death. If someone begins vomiting and convulsing after taking GHB, the person should get medical attention immediately. If there is any question about someone's health, be safe. Do not be upset at others for calling doctors or amublances if you find yourself waking up in a hospital, your friends and community have a right (and often a legal obligation) to call for help if someone's health is in danger. *snip* erowid. http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_info6.shtml & http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_health.shtml When taken occasionally as a prescribed sleep aid, GHB is a fairly mild, low toxicity chemical. When taken as a recreational intoxicant, it can be very dangerous. Accidental ingestions, accidental overdoses, idiosyncratic reactions, and mixing GHB with other depressants can lead to vomiting, convulsions, unconsciousness ("GHB coma", serious hangovers, and sometimes death. Regular use of GHB or equivalents can cause marked physical addiction. With 4-6 uses per week (single dose per use) at 'normal' dosages, people report finding that they need to increase their dose somewhat to get the same level of intoxication and many also report that they often feel like they need a little GHB to feel normal. With very heavy use (one or more doses per day), many people report very serious physical addiction. Stopping cold turkey results in anxiety, inability to sleep, feeling like the heart is arrhythmic (irregular), and often very unpleasant and potentially dangerous effects. Many heavy users report being able to taper off their use to zero by reducing their intake slowly over 2-3 weeks. When taken infrequently with carefully measured doses and no chance of accidental Overdose (this is nearly impossible to guarantee), many people find GHB to be a pleasant alcohol replacement. Unfortunately because its often kept as a clear liquid and even in drinking-water bottles, accidental ingestions are somewhat common. Also, because GHB is generally available as a liquid, it is impossible to know the concentration and thus accidental Overdoses are also common. GHB's effects last only a few hours during which it metabolizes into CO2 and H2O leaving no toxic metabolites [Vickers, 1969, Laborit, 1972]. GHB can no longer be detected in urine 4-5 hours after taken by injection [Laborit, 1964]. But its likely that it is detectable for 10-20 hours when taken orally. As a sleep aid, GHB induces sleep. The sleep induced by normal doses of GHB is fairly safe when it has not been mixed with other chemicals, but be aware that it's hard to convince anyone of this if you fall asleep in public and are unable to be awakened. Bar owners, police, and emergency personel need to be educated about the effects of GHB in order to reduce the problems caused by misinformation. GHB by itself can be fatal. Tinka Porrata has attempted to create a list of GHB-related fatalities by date and location. There is a lot of controversy surrounding the issue of how many of these deaths were actually caused by GHB. Establishing a cause of death is a very complicated process and this site provides no data about what criteria were used in defining these as 'GHB-related deaths'. MEDICAL USES : Treatment of Insomnia Treatment of Sleep Disorders (narcolepsy) Treatment of Alcoholism WARNINGS : Be safe...avoid mixing GHB with alcohol. GHB can be dangerous when used improperly or when mixed with other depressants. Combining a normal GHB dose with alcohol can trigger the overdose reaction of temporarily unrouseable sleep. GHB has been associated with 60 deaths in the US, according to the DEA, though most have involved other drugs (most commonly, alcohol) or high doses. GHB may dangerously depress breathing in some people, at very high doses, or in combination with other drugs (primarily alcohol). GHB can also cause vomiting in combination with unconsciousness, which can be a fatal combination. It has also been known to cause breathing similar to Cheynes-Stokes Breathing. GHB has been associated with 60 deaths in the US as of Jan 2000, according to the DEA, though only ~20 have been confirmed as GHB-only deaths. Be extremely careful with your GHB dose. Just as you don't want to drink 4x the amount of alcohol needed to get you intoxicated, you don't want to ingest more than a single dose of GHB. As with other substances, start low and work up slowly to find your own, individual level. If you take a double dose of GHB you may FALL UNCONSCIOUS and be UNROUSEABLE for up to 4 or 5 hours. If you take 3 - 4 times your Personal Threshold Dose, you may find yourself Unconscious and Vomiting. If you take more than 3-4 times your Personal Threshold Dose, there is risk of death. If you take GHB, make sure your friends know about its sleep inducing characteristics. One of the most common dangers of a mild GHB overdose is being taken to a hospital and treated as if you have OD'd on a depressant. This include stomach pumps, breathing tubes and IV's, not to mention huge hospital bills.
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Feb 21, 04
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taken from: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=1926
In the last few years we have had the unfortunate luck to personally witness 10 or so GHB-overdoses of various severities and have read or been told about dozens more. First, I want to make it clear that we are not anti-GHB. But it has become clear to us that when compared to almost any other substance used by the entheogen community, the immediate dangers of GHB use (as it currently exists) are significant. It also seems quite true that these dangers could be substantially reduced with a few precautions on the part of the entire community. As the use of GHB increases it seems clear that these situations will continue to arise until and unless we do something about it. It is certainly possible to use GHB and never encounter a problem with overdoses...but the risk is there even for those who are careful and conscientious about their use. There has been some discussion around what terminology is appropriate when talking about GHB, and for the time being we've decided on the following. GHB Overdose A situation in which an individual intentionally takes GHB and falls unconscious or vomits without intending to. GHB Poisoning A situation in which an individual accidentally takes far too much GHB. Generally identified by unconsciousness, vomiting, abnormal breathing, and possibly convulsions. GHB Coma An unrousable sleep caused by the ingestion of GHB. Following are synopses of the GHB 'overdoses' that we've personally seen. Interestingly, it seems that people feel embarassed when they experience a GHB poisoning and are reluctant to tell people about it. We've sanitized these stories so the individuals and situations are unidentifiable. I would describe all of these cases as accidents surrounding GHB use, not abuse. Story #1 The first was at Burningman '96. A friend staying in our camp was offered GHB for the first time. He chose a dose of 2.5 grams (he weighed 135 lbs)and enjoyed it quite a bit. At about T+1.5 hrs he decided to boost his dose and unfortunately picked a different bottle of GHB which was of a significantly different concentration. Remembering the dosage from the first bottle at 4 caps fulls, he decided to take a half dose of 2 capfulls. A single dose from the new bottle turned out to be 1/2 cap. He accidently ingested a 4x dose on top of a several hour old full dose. We estimate that he took an additional 8 grams rather than the intended 2 grams. Pretty quickly he started to feel sick, threw up, became incoherent and passed out. Soon after passing out, he started to convulse, his arms and stomach and legs spasming. He continued to vomit and his breathing was disturbing. Luckily we had a doctor and some equipment available so we hooked him up to a bloodgas monitor, turned him on his side and cleared his airway, which was difficult because his mouth would clench and unclench. His breathing was 'wet' meaning he had respirated some of the vomit, but it didn't seem too dangerous. He was monitored for a couple hours and then stabilized. At about T+4, he became semi-conscious and at T+7 he awoke and was able to drag himself back to his tent. He had a terrible hangover the next day and claimed that he felt negative after-effects for more than two weeks after the event, particularly during the first week, he felt foggy, had difficulty concentrating, and somewhat 'anhedonous' meaning he didn't enjoy anything. Note : This overdose was a direct result of varying concentrations of GHB. If GHB sales was legal to produce and sell with sales and quality regulated, it is considerably more likely that the GHB bottle would have been labelled correctly with dosage information. Story #2 Then a couple of years later at a large weekend festival, one individual who was quite experienced with GHB was seen staggering into camp where she collapsed. There had already been several experiences throughout the weekend of individuals who had taken GHB found unrousable in their tents, but in seemingly good health. Anyway, as people checked on the collapsed individual they found she had a large bleeding gash on her leg...down to the bone. After laying unconscious for a few minutes, she started to convulse, her arms flailing and hitting herself in the face. As others tended to her wound it was interesting to note that she didn't respond at all to cleaning and bandaging of the deep gash. The individual was not well known to those caring for her. Her breathing became labored and went into irregular cheynes-stokes type breathing (which is reported in many GHB overdose cases)...heavy, short, shallow, shallow, heavy etc. It was not known what substance she had taken, but everyon! ! e guessed GHB was involved. At t his point the question becomes one of - Are you willing to take responsibility for this person's life. How can you be sure your estimation of the situation is correct? What if other substances were involved...what if GHB had been mixed with alcohol? What if things go wrong? Those caring for the person chose to call the paramedics to care for her. She was sent to a hospital over an hour away. She awoke 2 hours later in the hospital and was quite upset that the paramedics had been called. Story #3 During a large multi-group camping trip the same summer, after being gone all day, one member of our camp returned late one evening to report that he had taken a small amount of 1,4B only to awaken in the hospital. He had apparently been found totally unconscious by people in another camp. He didn't remember anything after taking the 1,4B until he awoke strapped down with hospital staff forcing a breathing tube down his throat. With a breathing tube in you can't even moan because any movement of the throat causes intense gagging. His throat was damaged by the rough intubation to the point where he couldn't really talk for a couple of days after the incident. When he received the bill from the hospital he discovered that he had been *helicoptered* to the hospital, a fact he had no memory of, resulting in a bill for over $7,000. The speculation is that because of general fatigue the relatively small amount of 1,4B affected him more strongly than usual, but there's no way to really know the cause. Story #4 More recently, a close friend decided to take some GHB one evening when we were hanging out. Through a very unfortunate series of mistakes, the individual found themselves with a severe case of GHB poisoning. While in the process of measuring out a small dose (1 gram), an open jar of GHB was mistaken for water which was used to wash down the intended dosage. A large gulp of GHB was ingested, probably somewhere in the range of 10-20 grams. Because the taste of GHB was already in his mouth from the 1 gram...his thought as he swallowed the large gulp was 'This GHB is stronger tasting than usual...even a gulp of water didn't wash away the taste.' It wasn't until after swallowing that he realized what had happened. He immediately went to the bathroom and tried to induce vomiting and spent the next 20 minutes drinking water and forcing himself to vomit 10+ times. At about T+20 minutes he started to become uncoordinated and stopped responding to any input. It was unclear how much of the GHB remained in his stomach, but as he were quite a ways from a hospital it seemed like a good idea to those with him to get him in the car and drive closer to the hospital in case emergency care was required. On the way to the emergency room, he vomited profusely and started having convulsions. His arms, stomach and legs jumped and his head bobbed up and down. His breathing became extremely shallow and was difficult to detect. Despite being turned on his side, he started to aspirate (breath in) the vomit and his friend had to stop the car to take a minute to clear his airway and check his breathing. His breathing sounded _awful_. He had clearly sucked a lot of material into his lungs and it sounded like he was trying to breath through mud. When they got to the hospital, his friend layed him on his side and tried to decide whether the trauma of the emergency room was necessary. It became very clear that there was no way they were going to risk this person's life or long-term lung health by 'wating to see' if further problems developed or if he stopped breathing or seemed like he was going to die. His breathing was shallow and wet. His pulse was weak but regular. The convulsions were disturbing but not life threatening. His friend decided that for the several thousand dollars he knew the hospital would cost, it was worth it to avoid the possibility of long term health problems and or (unlikely) death. The person was intubated immediately, their lungs cleared of most of the inhaled vomit and strapped down to keep them from pulling the IV and tubes out. He continued to convulse for about an hour. His blood-oxygen levels never fell below 98% (except for instrument errors, which are apparently common). His pulse settled out at 40 for a half hour or so and then went to 50 for another hour. The doctors and emergency room people had never seen a case of GHB poisoning before. They had absolutely no knowledge about the situation and were entirely unwilling to listen to the information or suggestions the friend had. They said he would be in a coma for '1-2 days' and wouldn't even begin to listen when told that a GHB coma lasts 3-6 hours. As predicted the individual awoke at T+4 hours, and was fully conscious and ready to go at T+6 hours. It took a very intense and determined fight with the hospital to get them to release the individual. This hospital visit cost 8300$. The whole experience was pretty unwanted and unpleasant, but when put in the position of making decisions like that, I can't imagine deciding to let someone who is in a coma, convulsing, vomiting, and aspirating their vomit to just lie there. Story #5 One interesting case was a friend who had been taking GHB on weekends in combination with ecstasy or speed. They found their tolerance for GHB rose quite quickly until they were taking 10-15 grams at a time for the desired effects. One day they decided to do GHB alone and ingested about 10 grams. This led to waking up in the hospital, tied down, with tubes and catheters and a $2500 bill. Obviously the tolerance they had built up to GHB was only when done in combination with a strong stimulant. Story #6 There are also many situations where a mild GHB overdose (defined as a situation where someone takes GHB and falls unconscious but experiences no vomiting, convulsions, or other negative effects) can be a pleasant experience. A small group of people each drank a small recreational dose of GHB while hanging out together. Most of the group felt a mild effect which made them a bit more social, much like the effects of a small amount of alcohol. One gentleman became sleepy within 30 minutes and fell asleep. He was asleep and unrouseable for 2 hours, but appeared to be sleeping peacefully. Those around him knew that he had consumed GHB so, though they watched him carefully, they didn't panic. When he awoke as expected, about 2 hours later, he felt rested and well and had no noticeable negative effects. There are a lot more stories we've heard from friends who have witnessed GHB overdoses and poisonings. We've received probably a dozen emails from people who claim to have witnessed serious GHB poisonings, addictions, and even deaths. We have been unable to verify or refute any of these GHB alone deaths, primarily due to lack of specific information about the cases. We do not argue that it is the only right thing to do to bring someone to the hospital in cases like these, but our opinion of it has radically changed after dealing with a few cases and having to make decisions for someone else's life. Be careful out there. It is very clear to us that GHB alone : can interact very dangerously with alcohol can cause unconsciousness can cause vomiting can suppress the gag reflex can cause convulsions may dangerously suppress breathing in some people
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GHB is fun. makes you feel like you're really drunk.
i was skeptical on trying it but turned out to be a fun experience. but i can see how it's a dangerous drug. it's hard to tell what the concentration is so measuring your doses by caps or ml's when it's in liquid form is not reliable at all. 1st time i ended up doing 3 caps and was fine but the 2nd time i did it, i experienced some serious spins just from 1 cap. anyhow not a drug i'd go outta my way to find. but when offered by a reliable source i'd prolly be down to do some again.
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