Is ecstasy the answer to terminily ill?

[BabyStylez]

In the national post today i seen an atical on how harvard wants to use MDMA and i stress that becuase there not using caps like we can find at raves with shitty fillers n meth and god know what else is in them,there just wanting to use MDMA for its euphoric afftects.since cancer patient that are going to die are affect profusly by the valiums n and other drugs they give them,and cant act normal towards family and just make the whole unfortunate experience worse they want to do a study with some on full doses and sum on weak doses,since it has very theraputic affect it will healp them express there last feeling to there familys and make the whole experience alot more enjoyable until there passing time.BUT bush and all those assholes are apposed to this since its sending the wrong message to users and young ppl,but if they knew ne thing about something besides money and oil,thing would be differnt.Personally i like this idea 1.because the drug will be made properly with care 2.there will be tons of precousions,hopefully this goes throu and happens because i think it will have very positive effect but i think someoen needs to stress the fact that there usuing the pure drug and not the crap that you find on the streets,and also the abuse of nething can be lethal,pure or not.

i coulnt find the artical on the site but ifyou want to find it

its also from the boston globe and teh artical in the national post is by raja mishra and the title ia the same as my title

opinion and comments pls
yes hatars that means you too,so bring meh all you got bitchaz

[neoh]

they dont call it ecstasy for nothing.

[KenJi]

as long as its done right, and strictly produced for hospital use, and not abused like the medicinal marijuana.

meaning they better have a better way of obtaining this MDMA than some user card crap.

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by KenJi

as long as its done right, and strictly produced for hospital use, and not abused like the medicinal marijuana.

meaning they better have a better way of obtaining this MDMA than some user card crap.

I would have to agree with that one as well.
And why not give it a try, if it might help them out in their dying days, then by all means, as long as its controlled.

[dapimpstress]

It's a means of helping people get through their end-of-life crisis. I think it could possibly be very helpful. All patients involved must be terminally ill, so any brain damage, will not really effect them much. It will be LESS damaging than droves of morphine being given to them, until they are, but vegetables.


Also, this has to be approved by the BUSH ADMINISTRATION, as well as the DEA before anything happens. The FDA was but one, of three HUGE deciding factors. We will know in the next few weeks, what the others have to say.

[*Kane]

this show will answer all your question's on ecstasy, ABC's special, i suggest all who use ecstacy to watch this video, http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/...owse-2610.html

[veN]

That's neat :)

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Ashes

It's a means of helping people get through their end-of-life crisis. I think it could possibly be very helpful. All patients involved must be terminally ill, so any brain damage, will not really effect them much. It will be LESS damaging than droves of morphine being given to them, until they are, but vegetables.


Also, this has to be approved by the BUSH ADMINISTRATION, as well as the DEA before anything happens. The FDA was but one, of three HUGE deciding factors. We will know in the next few weeks, what the others have to say.

ha until this war that shouldn't be going on is over the bush administration won't approve anything thats gonna take costs away from their wartime costs.

[decypher]

MDMA had been used for therapeutic use decades before it became popular as a party drug. It is then that it was outlawed. I doubt such a conservative regime would allow such a progressive idea to last long.

[clevich]

Can't wait to hear the headlines.. "Doctor found abusing Rave Drug!"

[Dead Mike]

intersting video.

[frankie_V]

whoa thas fucked... lol... in 100 years... bet u drugs will be legal

[mugsy]

theres been a thread like this before, and again i have to voice my discomfort.

my dad is terminally ill with cancer, and by all means i dont agree wtih giving him mdma nor does he. (i brought it up when i first heard about it)
my family has never really been expressive about emotions. and although i admit that we dont talk about the situation as much as i think we should, by all means each family member is going through natural responses to the situation. my dad has gone through being angry and sad, resentful and hateful, and numerous other feelings including ones of just wanting to give up. but naturally he has faced them, felt them, and dealt with them. there have been moments of myself breaking down with him, and we both experience the sadness, and say what we need to say to each other.

my dad is a firm believer in experiencing all the natural emotions he is experiencing. some days and some situations its supposed to be sad and hard to talk about and to be at. other days and other things its easier.

also keep in mind that things like medicinal marijuana both in joint and pill form are not easily obtained by patients, many other nausia pills are administered. and when it comes to anxiety\nervousness adavan can be prescribed. my dad has been in a alot of pain before, and they have never given him morphine. there are so many alternatives before taking a step into yet another pill. depression does happen, obviously, but again there are anti-depressents already out on the market, and counciling begins the moment the doctor tells you what is happening.

i realize that what they want the pill to do is help the patient open up to their family members. maybe my dad is a rare case, but as i stated before, we are not a very open family. but somehow someway, we've managed this far, been able to talk when needed, and if anything are beginning to open up more. it just seems like it would be another form of escapism to the patient, and personally im not very comfertable with the chances of my dad haveing anything else put into his body that may or may not harm him.
i'd prefer they spend the money on cancer reasearch rather then mdma research. not only for the cure, but for cancer prevention. im sure many cancer patients would agree, and many family memebers would agree as well. the kind of cancer my dad has is genetic, theyve researched our family line to determine this, and quite frankly this makes me more active in wanting to find out prevention and cures.

anyways, theres always people in different situations with different feelings. i just dont agree with this.

[mugsy]

p.s. also there are so many reactions that chemo can have with other medicines.
eg. my dad was taking cod-liver oil pills and shark cartalidge, everything was fine and dandy until he started a new type of chemo. suddenly he got hives, and his chest would swell causing pain and discomfort while breathing. so we've been stopping one medication (water pill, the shark stuff, the oil, and other meds) a week, and discovered that it was the shark cartilidge that was causing the hives. talked to the doctor and she said its happened to a couple of patients before on this one type of chemo. but its not documented because no one really knows why there is a reaction.
(shark cartilidge has been said to help in shrinking\stopping growth of tumors from small cell cancer.)

[wum]

As if we needed more drugs to fuck up our society

[decypher]

Originally Posted by franklin

whoa thas fucked... lol... in 100 years... bet u drugs will be legal

Totally dude, then you can pop caps when your like 113 years old eh? that be totally cool eh?

[miss.myra]

Strongly disagree.

Anyone notice that after they do E they don't feel 'quite right' in the head afterwards?

Anyone notice that after doing E they sometimes get really really depressed in the days/weeks ahead?

With the risks of post E depression in mind (which yes, can still occur even if 'proper precautions' are taken with suppliments, etc.) this could potentially have a catastrophic effect on the patient.

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Strongly disagree.



With the risks of post E depression in mind (which yes, can still occur even if 'proper precautions' are taken with suppliments, etc.) this could potentially have a catastrophic effect on the patient.

very good point about the depression that can stem from e

[BabyStylez]

Originally Posted by mugsy

theres been a thread like this before, and again i have to voice my discomfort.

my dad is terminally ill with cancer, and by all means i dont agree wtih giving him mdma nor does he. (i brought it up when i first heard about it)
my family has never really been expressive about emotions. and although i admit that we dont talk about the situation as much as i think we should, by all means each family member is going through natural responses to the situation. my dad has gone through being angry and sad, resentful and hateful, and numerous other feelings including ones of just wanting to give up. but naturally he has faced them, felt them, and dealt with them. there have been moments of myself breaking down with him, and we both experience the sadness, and say what we need to say to each other.

my dad is a firm believer in experiencing all the natural emotions he is experiencing. some days and some situations its supposed to be sad and hard to talk about and to be at. other days and other things its easier.

also keep in mind that things like medicinal marijuana both in joint and pill form are not easily obtained by patients, many other nausia pills are administered. and when it comes to anxiety\nervousness adavan can be prescribed. my dad has been in a alot of pain before, and they have never given him morphine. there are so many alternatives before taking a step into yet another pill. depression does happen, obviously, but again there are anti-depressents already out on the market, and counciling begins the moment the doctor tells you what is happening.

i realize that what they want the pill to do is help the patient open up to their family members. maybe my dad is a rare case, but as i stated before, we are not a very open family. but somehow someway, we've managed this far, been able to talk when needed, and if anything are beginning to open up more. it just seems like it would be another form of escapism to the patient, and personally im not very comfertable with the chances of my dad haveing anything else put into his body that may or may not harm him.
i'd prefer they spend the money on cancer reasearch rather then mdma research. not only for the cure, but for cancer prevention. im sure many cancer patients would agree, and many family memebers would agree as well. the kind of cancer my dad has is genetic, theyve researched our family line to determine this, and quite frankly this makes me more active in wanting to find out prevention and cures.

anyways, theres always people in different situations with different feelings. i just dont agree with this.

keep in mind there wanting to try both methods of giving them large doses say liek we take,and then small diluted doses like they would take other pills every day,kinda like a anti depressent,type thing,miss myra when have ne of us done pure properly made mdma...almost never ,also there not going to be dancing all nite and staying up all night,and i bet theyll be fed tons of vitamins to prevent ne post e depression,and proper food,if they can eat..also mdma has shown that it can be benifical in the furst few doses,and when its not abused and used with other harsh chems,i know ppl that have opened up as a person been more outgoing less shy and a better person all around..after the few furst doses....after that thou we all know what happens lol

[BabyStylez]

LOL omg,miss myra i failed to read the ;last part of your post since im faded 24/7 but i do think the harsh depression also comes from the meth because its harsher and stronger,and again its all about how much you take how often n wat you do after that will determin post e deppression,but dont quote me on that ,thats just wat ive found from droping over last year n the year b4

im no drug expert,yet.

[BabyStylez]

i still agree,especialy with the part about low doses,i,i believe it should be very diluted and just use it for a seratonin boost since the brain might already be depressed..i dont think theyll settle on giving them a full dose because ppl tend to hallutionate,since its a hallucenagen (SP?) lol im sure tehy have it all figured out and im sure theyve arlready found a way to avoid the negitive affects,also im sure familys wouldnt want to spend time with and e tard grinding there teeth n thats all sweaty-hence small doses.

there was a cool quote that i thought was very true in tha same colum.

"the ecstasy isnt in the drug,its in the person"

[zarlon]

myra, fully.

with the up that comes from mdma.. imagine the down after, being terminally ill. it couldnt possibly do more good than harm in the end.

plus, wouldnt you rather know that your loved one was keeping on and being strong for the company of family and to enjoy as much life as possible, NOT for the chemical euphoria mdma brings?

eh wahtever

[zarlon]

"since its a hallucinogen"

isnt it an empathogen if anything? i believe your thinking of mda which actually has hallucinogenic properties

[Jeaninah]

POSITIVE

• extreme mood lift
• increased willingness to communicate
• increase in energy (stimulation)
• ego softening
• feelings of comfort, belonging, and closeness to others
• feelings of love and empathy
• forgiveness
• increased awareness & appreciation of music
• increased awareness of senses. (eating, drinking, smell)
• profound life-changing spiritual experiences
• neurotically based fear dissolution
• sensations bright and intense
• urge to hug and kiss people

NEUTRAL

• appetite loss
• visual distortion
• rapid, involuntary eye jiggling (nystagmus)
• mild visual hallucinations (uncommon)
• moderately increased heart rate and blood pressure (increases with dose)
• restlessness, nervousness, shivering
• change in body temperature regulation
• strong desire to do or want more when coming down

NEGATIVE

• (negative side effects increase with higher doses and frequent use)
• inappropriate and/or unintended emotional bonding
• tendency to say things you might feel uncomfortable about later
• mild to extreme jaw clenching (trisma), tongue and cheek chewing, and teeth grinding (bruxia)
• difficulty concentrating & problems with activities requiring linear focus
• short-term memory scramble or loss & confusion
• muscle tension
• erectile disfunction and difficulty reaching orgasm
• increase in body temperature, hyperthermia, dehydration (drink water)
• hyponatremia (don't drink too much water)
• nausea and vomiting
• headaches, dizziness, loss of balance, and vertigo
• post-trip Crash - unpleasantly harsh comedown from the peak effect
• hangover the next day, lasting days to weeks
• mild depression and fatigue for up to a week
• severe depression and/or fatigue (uncommon)
• possible strong urge to repeat the experience, though not physically addictive
• possible psychological crisis requiring hospitalization (psychotic episodes, severe panic attacks, etc) (rare)
• possible liver toxicity (rare)
• possible neurotoxicity (controversial)
• small risk of death. Approximately 2 per 100,000 users have extreme negative reactions resulting in death. (rare)

[Playboybuny]

This may be a good idea, but most people who have cancer are really young or really old. Theres obviously people in there middle age too. but just think...do u think that a 50-80 year old person would want to take this kinda drug? No..same with a 5 year old child. the parents will not allow that. im sure they give u vitamins for the side affects, but older people (or even anyone with a cancer) already take 10 pills a day for other problems they have. i highly doubt that anyone would want to be talking like 10 or more pills a day. I know i sure wouldnt want to. Who knows, it might be a good idea. but i dont think this will not pass. To many people will complain.