Canucks suck.

[shebavpg]

^^ you suck lol they are winning :)

[Webber]

they are playing pretty well right now - and they're winning :)

[Antenna_Boy]

we won 4-2...go Naslund!

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

Secondly, benching someone to make them more "hungrier" is not the right reason. GM's don't bench coaches for ill performances..they fire their ass. A player's job is to produce..which is true. Case in point, a player also has to follow what the coach says. Bulis does get his shots on net..don't take that credit away. He just has to find the "sweedish" touch.

I disagree. I believe Bulis had it coming. Vigneault has given him numberous minutes a game. He is playing on average 15-17mins a game. He should have better numbers. He is suppose to be one our badly needed scorers who aren't called daniel sedin or markus naslund..

I believe a player should be benched if he is making a substantial amount which i believe bulis is making for what he is actually proving to be worth. Being benched after this many games shouldn't really be much of a shock. Its not like he is in the doghouse man,.

Being in the doghouse is when your repeately a healthy scratch. Being benched once, and being in the doghouse are two different things.

One is to get a player goin gthe one game benching. Bein the doghouse is falling out of favor with your coach. Besides you think honestly that will happen with Vigneault and Bulis. They were teammates in montreal

[Grapes]

I was at the St Louis game. We worked them pretty good, but man.. St Louis is sooo bad. Names like Thckatucukhk, Guerin, Weight, Rucinsky, Brewer, yet they suck so much it was almost painful to watch. I don't think Bill Guerin is even alive anymore, he's just a corpse on skates doing a Weekend at Bernie's thing.

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by KenJi

I disagree. I believe Bulis had it coming. Vigneault has given him numberous minutes a game. He is playing on average 15-17mins a game. He should have better numbers. He is suppose to be one our badly needed scorers who aren't called daniel sedin or markus naslund..

I believe a player should be benched if he is making a substantial amount which i believe bulis is making for what he is actually proving to be worth.

I will agree with you on that...but! Remember how we had Carter and now Columbus has him at what, $3 million? Check out his stats:
2006-07 Columbus NHL 17 games, 2 goals, 1 assist, 3 POINTS, 6 pen.min.

Jan Bulis...what, around $1.6milion or something? 19 games 3goals 4assists 7POINTS.
I say so far we have "better" player at half the cost? I know he is struggling, but that is no excuse..especially for a Czech player. I am ashamed to say he is not meeting my expectations...bastard :(

[neoh]

who the fuck are the canucks?

[firestar]

Originally Posted by Grapes

I was at the St Louis game. We worked them pretty good, but man.. St Louis is sooo bad. Names like Thckatucukhk, Guerin, Weight, Rucinsky, Brewer, yet they suck so much it was almost painful to watch. I don't think Bill Guerin is even alive anymore, he's just a corpse on skates doing a Weekend at Bernie's thing.

:285:

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

I will agree with you on that...but! Remember how we had Carter and now Columbus has him at what, $3 million? Check out his stats:
2006-07 Columbus NHL 17 games, 2 goals, 1 assist, 3 POINTS, 6 pen.min.

Jan Bulis...what, around $1.6milion or something? 19 games 3goals 4assists 7POINTS.
I say so far we have "better" player at half the cost? I know he is struggling, but that is no excuse..especially for a Czech player. I am ashamed to say he is not meeting my expectations...bastard :(

Ya I expected Carter to bomb though without the sedins. You can find posts at the beginning of this season. That salary Carter has is because of his 30+ goal great season with the sedins. He doesn't deserve over 2 million anyways.

What are you trying to get. That Bulis is worth the 1.5 million cause columbus fucked up and signed carter to a 3 million salary. Thats just Carter's agent doing his job and getting the best salary he could which at the time was high because of carters season with the cancuks last year.

I don't think we have the better player. Lets see how he would be a last place team like columbus. Do you h onestly expect carter to be putting up li ke 5 goals and 5 assists on a last place team.

Bulis has better linemates than carter as well.

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by KenJi

What are you trying to get. That Bulis is worth the 1.5 million cause columbus fucked up and signed carter to a 3 million salary. Thats just Carter's agent doing his job and getting the best salary he could which at the time was high because of carters season with the cancuks last year.

I don't think we have the better player. Lets see how he would be a last place team like columbus. Do you h onestly expect carter to be putting up li ke 5 goals and 5 assists on a last place team.

Bulis has better linemates than carter as well.

After a second approach to you this topic of Bulis vs Carter, we should look for secondary data on other players around the league. I am sure there are some underperforming players with similar salaries around the league. So the only thing to do is see if their progress increases during the season. Don't judge a book by its cover until you know the quality of the book you bought. Carter LOOKED like a good book nevertheless.
Did expect Peter Schaeffer to produce in Ottawa after we traded him when he was not really producing here? How about your most highly anticipated Richard Park? Where is he now? Why was he not producing like we all expected him to? Funny how everyone falls off the player bandwagon so fast.

[KenJi]

I wasn't part of the Park nation that Omega and company lol.

My point isn't that he's only not producing. My point is he is getting more opportunaties than other players where he should get benched. Or reduced to the 3rd or 4th line for change. Vigneault gives him game in game out at least 17 minutes a game.

The points don't always tell the tale either. Its just one aspect of it,

[omega_image]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

How about your most highly anticipated Richard Park? Where is he now? Why was he not producing like we all expected him to? Funny how everyone falls off the player bandwagon so fast.

if you ever diss richard park again, i will eat your family.

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by omega_image

if you ever diss richard park again, i will eat your family.

lol, how am I dissing him? hahah I just state facts..not opininons

[KenJi]

How about your most highly anticipated Richard Park?

that sounds like a diss to me mate.

Park Nation's never gonna die haha.

p.s: i'm done argueing about bulis and his 1.7 million salary, 17+ minutes a game, and vigneault's overall coaching so far.

Doesn't help that Nonis couldn't get some better building blocks.

[omega_image]

richard park doesnt need numbers. richard park is hockey.

[thechix0r]

I think there needs to be that time for them to mesh a bit, we aren't doing horribly, but I mean considering that half the team was traded or contracted to a different team... we aren't doing too bad. I don't know if hte coach is using the potential of the team, but we don't really have control over where he puts people and who he benched and not benched. So far I am pleased with Luongo, though wish we still had Auld around... it would be nice when Luongo is choking and can't seem to save...

This season was suppose to be intersting... and it has already proven so, perhaps not in the aspect that others would have liked it be. I thought we might have been doing a little better.... but when you have a whole bunch of players and you throw them together and say play... it's hard to see what the outcome will be

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by KenJi

How about your most highly anticipated Richard Park?

that sounds like a diss to me mate.

Park Nation's never gonna die haha.

Is that not what everyone was raving about at the beginning when we acquired him? Yes or No? It is a simple question...but it can be applied to any new player the canucks organization signs up! :mexitoke: Therefore, it is not a diss, it is only a diss if you are biased towards answering the question.
*peace* I still think Park is a good player...I never said he was bad. :eyes:

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

Is that not what everyone was raving about at the beginning when we acquired him? Yes or No? It is a simple question...but it can be applied to any new player the canucks organization signs up! :mexitoke: Therefore, it is not a diss, it is only a diss if you are biased towards answering the question.
*peace* I still think Park is a good player...I never said he was bad. :eyes:

hah whatever man u can call it whatever you want. I don't want to get in another page of arguing back and forth over this. Since you'll have your point or view and i'll have mine on it.

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by thechix0r

I think there needs to be that time for them to mesh a bit, we aren't doing horribly, but I mean considering that half the team was traded or contracted to a different team... we aren't doing too bad. I don't know if hte coach is using the potential of the team, but we don't really have control over where he puts people and who he benched and not benched. So far I am pleased with Luongo, though wish we still had Auld around... it would be nice when Luongo is choking and can't seem to save...

This season was suppose to be intersting... and it has already proven so, perhaps not in the aspect that others would have liked it be. I thought we might have been doing a little better.... but when you have a whole bunch of players and you throw them together and say play... it's hard to see what the outcome will be

well said.

we may be sucking or whatever right now, but honestly this team has more potential than any team we've had in the last 10 yrs Id say.. when luongo is really on his game and our D are healthy and we get some puck luck, they are a really hard team to beat.

but on the other hand, maybe we just don't have the offensive depth to make a real playoff team.. needs a bit more building IMO. all we have is the sedins really.. who else consistently steps to the plate? we need a FINISHER! lots of talent no finish.

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Goodfellow

well said.

we may be sucking or whatever right now, but honestly this team has more potential than any team we've had in the last 10 yrs Id say.. when luongo is really on his game and our D are healthy and we get some puck luck, they are a really hard team to beat.

but on the other hand, maybe we just don't have the offensive depth to make a real playoff team.. needs a bit more building IMO. all we have is the sedins really.. who else consistently steps to the plate? we need a FINISHER! lots of talent no finish.

I don't. The teams we've had in the past were far superior in defence and offence. Only only real weakness was always in net.

In 2002 to this day I believe we would have given Anaheim and Giguere a really good run for their money had we not blown a 3-1 series lead against Minny. If Cloutier were able to be like a luongo or brodeur and steal a game we would have been in the conference finals.

Ya 2 goal a game average just don't cut it much in this NHL. Unless you want the Canucks to start playing stingy boring defensive hockey like the devils. If you think defense on the nucks is tight now go watch the toronto/new jersey game that was like 3 days ago. I also agree with the comment about Auld. He wasn't bad on the canucks and he would have made a solid backup for Luongo. Not saborin or hoever you spell his name

p.s: Selanne is turning into a monster for what Anaheim is paying him. I bet they are calling for Burke to run for Mayor haha

[thechix0r]

Originally Posted by KenJi

I don't. The teams we've had in the past were far superior in defence and offence. Only only real weakness was always in net.

In 2002 to this day I believe we would have given Anaheim and Giguere a really good run for their money had we not blown a 3-1 series lead against Minny. If Cloutier were able to be like a luongo or brodeur and steal a game we would have been in the conference finals.

Ya 2 goal a game average just don't cut it much in this NHL. Unless you want the Canucks to start playing stingy boring defensive hockey like the devils. If you think defense on the nucks is tight now go watch the toronto/new jersey game that was like 3 days ago. I also agree with the comment about Auld. He wasn't bad on the canucks and he would have made a solid backup for Luongo. Not saborin or hoever you spell his name

p.s: Selanne is turning into a monster for what Anaheim is paying him. I bet they are calling for Burke to run for Mayor haha

Yeah 2002 and 2003 seemed to be peak years for the Canucks, I still will never forget 2003 play offs when they scored a goal with seven seconds left to the game and kept us in the playoffs for at least another 10 mins... although we lost to Calgary... it was still showing mad skill

[KenJi]

Those are times where you think what if we had just won that faceoff in overtime and dumped the puck and killed the penalty. What could of been?

Same in 2002. What could have been had we beaten Minny in that game 5 and gone on to face anaheim in the west finals. Who knows though but ya 2002-2003/2004 season we were peaking on all cylinders. Bert was actually playing at his best as was morrison.

I think we definetly have the start of a core group in luongo but there are still holes that need to be filled. In otherwords this team we have isn't complete at all. We need to figure out what areas need improvement and home Nonis actually adresses them. I really don't like the Nonis model of the Canucks so far at all. I dont mind the defense first style of Mignon but still our scoring depth is a serious problem.

[Goodfellow]

yeah our other teams were way better as a whole.. depth etc. but we never had a goalie. I don't care what anyone says, Auld..Cloutier.. they are simply not good enough to win a cup. now that we have somebody capable of winning IMO we just need to build a bit more depth on offense and maybe D .. would only take a season or 2 if we had a good GM.

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Goodfellow

yeah our other teams were way better as a whole.. depth etc. but we never had a goalie. I don't care what anyone says, Auld..Cloutier.. they are simply not good enough to win a cup. now that we have somebody capable of winning IMO we just need to build a bit more depth on offense and maybe D .. would only take a season or 2 if we had a good GM.

yep u got that rite

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by Goodfellow

yeah our other teams were way better as a whole.. depth etc. but we never had a goalie.

You are forgetting Kirk McKlean :(