UCLA Police taser incident (video)

[Antenna_Boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emEK7...0Police%20Cops
well...what do you think?

[Play-it-hard]

Hahah the first one you posted with the 3 cops being tased.. sooo funny !! did you see their feet going crazy.

[project.one]

Originally Posted by FMPjunkie

So you're saying 3 cops (at least 3 possibly 4) can't escort or even carry if necessary one kid out of a library without resorting to weapons and violence?
The kid didn't have a weapon he wasn't even throwing punches. The only fight he seemed to put up was not being able to stand up (after being tasered) which last time I checked was nonviolent resistance.

If you are consciensce and you do not co-operate you are obstructing justice. He was able to stand and did not, its not the cops job to carry someone out of some place because they dont want to leave. Im not condoning the use of weapons or violence. But, what he did was still resisting arrest/obstructing justice.

Go ask a cop next time you see one! Im sure theyll answer it for you.

Originally Posted by FMPjunkie

Doesn't matter if he "asked" for it. It was unnecessary.

4 stuns, probably unnecessary. But what do you mean by "Doesn't matter if he "asked" for it" So when does the line change from what he was doing to where the subject is becoming violent to either the police or others? And who draws that line?

[P.A.R.T.Y]

^^^stfu^^^

[project.one]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

^^^stfu^^^

the intelligence just ooze out of your posts dont they!

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

^^^stfu^^^

If you were asked to stand up by the officers who warned you that if you did not stand up, you'd get tasered...what would you do? A dumb person would bitch and bitch and not get up...therefore get tasered. What was that person actually trying to prove? That he had "fallen and couldn't get up???" C'mon, grow the fuck up.

[neoh]

that made me want to just grab that tazer gun, zap the cop and say "STAND UP, STAND UP, WHAT, YOU CAN'T STAND UP?"

[FMPjunkie]

Originally Posted by projectone

If you are consciensce and you do not co-operate you are obstructing justice. He was able to stand and did not, its not the cops job to carry someone out of some place because they dont want to leave. Im not condoning the use of weapons or violence. But, what he did was still resisting arrest/obstructing justice.

Go ask a cop next time you see one! Im sure theyll answer it for you.

So you’re saying that 3 cops felt that they had absolutely no alternative against 1 handcuffed student than to use a weapon?
How exactly was he a threat to their safety in the position he was in when they tasered him repeatedly? The only situation when a taser would be warranted is when an officer’s safety is at stake. He was handcuffed at the time which means he had limited mobility. He also wouldn’t have had any weapons on him since they would have searched him directly after cuffing him.
I’ve seen the police carry away activists who refuse to walk away from rallies countless times without resorting to violent measures.
You say you are not condoning the use of weapons or violence but that’s exactly what you are defending.
I’m not arguing whether the student had a right to be in the library at that time or that the police didn’t have the authority to detain him.
Resorting to tasering a student again and again moments after cuffing him without even attempting any alternative is a disgusting abuse of power.
The fact that they then threatened bystanders who asked for their badge numbers should serve as a good idea of the character of those cops.
No they were not acting as they were trained.
They are trained to show discipline and restraint.

4 stuns, probably unnecessary. But what do you mean by "Doesn't matter if he "asked" for it" So when does the line change from what he was doing to where the subject is becoming violent to either the police or others? And who draws that line?

I would hope the average cop would be able to judge the difference between an unarmed handcuffed student surrounded by 3 armed police officers and a potentially dangerous situation.
Please explain to me how that situation could have escalated to threatening the safety of others after the kid was handcuffed.

[esoter1c]

Those pigs were definitley abusing their power and ego tripping.

[project.one]

Originally Posted by FMPjunkie

So you’re saying that 3 cops felt that they had absolutely no alternative against 1 handcuffed student than to use a weapon?

Nope. They had lots of choices. And I dont think he was handcuffed at the beginning (though I could be wrong)

Originally Posted by FMPjunkie

How exactly was he a threat to their safety in the position he was in when they tasered him repeatedly?

Ever been at a club when a person snaps and goes ape shit? The kid was yelling pretty loudly and seemed pretty upset the cops wanted him out!

Originally Posted by FMPjunkie

The fact that they then threatened bystanders who asked for their badge numbers should serve as a good idea of the character of those cops.

The bystanders looked pretty pissed off, with good reason with thoes events. If you look at history, it doesnt take much for students to resort to voilence.

Originally Posted by FMPjunkie

I would hope the average cop would be able to judge the difference between an unarmed handcuffed student surrounded by 3 armed police officers and a potentially dangerous situation.
Please explain to me how that situation could have escalated to threatening the safety of others after the kid was handcuffed.

Go live life as a cop for a while, then tell me what you think of the situation.

I think too many people are reading things to litterly.

Im done with this topic.

[P.A.R.T.Y]

Your feeble attempt to justify the excessive force used against this harmless individual, shows the type of person you really are. You seem like a regular bootlicking, saluting, obeying, get paid get laid kind a person. I hope you enjoy living on your knees.

[project.one]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Your feeble attempt to justify the excessive force used against this harmless individual, shows the type of person you really are. You seem like a regular bootlicking, saluting, obeying, get paid get laid kind a person. I hope you enjoy living on your knees.

Yeah, you obviously can read me so well. I mean wow, you nailed it right on the T there! Seriously, its creepy how well you know me via a message board. Wow, your like, amazing and stuff!


But really, Im crying on the inside!

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by FMPjunkie

So you’re saying that 3 cops felt that they had absolutely no alternative against 1 handcuffed student than to use a weapon?
How exactly was he a threat to their safety in the position he was in when they tasered him repeatedly? The only situation when a taser would be warranted is when an officer’s safety is at stake. He was handcuffed at the time which means he had limited mobility. He also wouldn’t have had any weapons on him since they would have searched him directly after cuffing him.
I’ve seen the police carry away activists who refuse to walk away from rallies countless times without resorting to violent measures.
You say you are not condoning the use of weapons or violence but that’s exactly what you are defending.
I’m not arguing whether the student had a right to be in the library at that time or that the police didn’t have the authority to detain him.
Resorting to tasering a student again and again moments after cuffing him without even attempting any alternative is a disgusting abuse of power.
The fact that they then threatened bystanders who asked for their badge numbers should serve as a good idea of the character of those cops.
No they were not acting as they were trained.
They are trained to show discipline and restraint.



I would hope the average cop would be able to judge the difference between an unarmed handcuffed student surrounded by 3 armed police officers and a potentially dangerous situation.
Please explain to me how that situation could have escalated to threatening the safety of others after the kid was handcuffed.

Let's look and answer these facts of this case:

I’m not arguing whether the student had a right to be in the library at that time or that the police didn’t have the authority to detain him

1. Why is this student being arrested? And does it matter where you have to arrest a criminal? And no, you don't know if they had the authority so don't speak out on behalf of the police public relations board.

So you’re saying that 3 cops felt that they had absolutely no alternative against 1 handcuffed student than to use a weapon?

-The police see that any criminal resisting arrest and being freely able to walk on their own is a threat.

He also wouldn’t have had any weapons on him since they would have searched him directly after cuffing him.

So you are saying students bring weapons to university? It is the job of any police officer to search any criminal for any weapons that may lead to any harm of any public. Go read their job description on this part.

3. How do his actions by repeatedly yelling out "Don't Touch ME!" and "Here's your patriot act! Here's your fucking abusive power!" show the student's character???

4. One thing struck me pretty hard...this student was using the fallacy of appeal to pity/character too much.."Here's your justice of work to university students" and after the cops ask him to stand up twice in a row..He replies "Fuck off"
-So not only is he trying to play the nice guy, but now he is involving the university as a whole in his case.

5. About 1:35 min into the film you see the two officers holding up the student and repeadely asking him to stand up (on his own) and yet the student is obvisouly not wanting to stand up by putting all his weight into his body and no effort into his legs.

The only situation when a taser would be warranted is when an officer’s safety is at stake.

You are a half-idiot on this one. Not only do police officers use a taser when they feel their safety is at risk..but when a psychologically unstable student is yelling out repeatedly and whatnot, the officers have the right to protect the public, hence the safety of ANY public.

He was handcuffed at the time which means he had limited mobility.

correction..he had limited ARM mobility..he can still walk if he stands up or is helped to stand up. A person does not need assistance to walk unless they are old and are crutches.

I’ve seen the police carry away activists who refuse to walk away from rallies countless times without resorting to violent measures

they are peacefully resisting arrest, but you are also dealing with a mass volume of people...what rallies are we referring to? This case is dealing with one single individual..not a rally.

The fact that they then threatened bystanders who asked for their badge numbers should serve as a good idea of the character of those cops.
No they were not acting as they were trained.
They are trained to show discipline and restraint.

Do you expect these officers to beg and plead and use very kind, warm, soft and loving words to get this guy to do as he is being requested to do? C'mon buddy..put yourself in his position and grow up. He is abusing HIS OWN power. And you know this very well. Don't speak from emotion on this, and just because you see a whole group of angry university students against such line of work of officers does not mean you have to go with their feelings. Use your brain a little bit more and truly research this case inside out. In fact...before you are to slam this line of duty, watch this movie 10 times over, watch taser-videos of other people being tasered who resist arrest and let us know how many times it took them to respond to the officer's request. Personally, I have never been arrested, and I always follow the rules. You don't follow the rules, be prepared to face the consequences. It's that SIMPLE!!!!! ANd it does not take a university student to whip out a graphing calculator to figure this formula out either! :mexitoke: *peace*

Sorry for the long post everybody :(

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Your feeble attempt to justify the excessive force used against this harmless individual.

just because he screams like a girl...doesn't mean he is harmless. Awwwe :) you show lots of empathy towards this school boy don't you?

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by projectone

Any time the police are involved with something likes this, kids start yelling things like "abuse of power", or "freedome of speech" and all that jazz.

Whatever, the kid was not complying and the police/security used the methods of authority as to how they have been trained.

How about the kid shuts the fuck up and does what he is told by the autority figure at hand and doesnt try to be a such a fucking tool.

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Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

^^^You're a fucking idiot^^^What gives you the authority to decide whether the police behaved properly or not. It's fuckheads like you that are allowing the NWO to progress so smoothly.
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Originally Posted by Tydie

First off.. chill the fuck out. What gives you the authority to decide whether someone's post is relevant or not? Isn't it ironic that your head is so far up your ass that you're actually still able to sit up on your high horse and look down on someone without reason?

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Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

^^^stfu^^^

quote from yelling student..

"Don't Touch ME! Here's your patriot act! Here's your fucking abusive power!"

Hmmmm, notice the different approaches to an argument? :mexitoke:

[project.one]

Bwahaha!

Theres not enough karma for that!

[P.A.R.T.Y]

Go watch a Canucks game or something you're good at doing.

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Go watch a Canucks game or something you're good at doing.

go read your pokemon comic books where the language fits your age.

[FMPjunkie]

Why is this student being arrested? And does it matter where you have to arrest a criminal? And no, you don't know if they had the authority so don't speak out on behalf of the police public relations board.

I was referring to the fact that whether the cops were within their right to remove the student from the library isn’t the issue it’s the means that they used which were disgusting, lazy and against procedure. Just because you are suspected of a crime (not that being in a library without a student id is a crime) and are arrested doesn’t give the police carte blanche to beat the shit out of you just because they don’t like your lip.

How do his actions by repeatedly yelling out "Don't Touch ME!" and "Here's your patriot act! Here's your fucking abusive power!" show the student's character???

The students character isn’t in question. I thought we were discussing the cops actions not the students. What the student said was irrelevant. You’re saying that yelling warrants tazering?

Nope. They had lots of choices. And I dont think he was handcuffed at the beginning (though I could be wrong)]

Around 1:50 we can clearly see that he has his hands behind his back restrained by some sort of hand prison. You say they had lots of choices but didn’t even attempt a less violent measure. The police are supposed to exhaust all options before considering a tazer.

He also wouldn’t have had any weapons on him since they would have searched him directly after cuffing him.

So you are saying students bring weapons to university? It is the job of any police officer to search any criminal for any weapons that may lead to any harm of any public. Go read their job description on this part.

That’s exactly what I said. Please reread.
Once again I was referring to the fact that he posed no threat since the cops tazered him over and over AFTER ensuring that he had no weapons.

He was handcuffed at the time which means he had limited mobility.


correction..he had limited ARM mobility..he can still walk if he stands up or is helped to stand up. A person does not need assistance to walk unless they are old and are crutches.

Exactly he had limited ARM mobility (which is what I was referring to in the first place) therefore that diminishes his apparent “threat” even more. He was an UNARMED (since they would have searched him) and handcuffed (he wouldn’t be able to strike any of them) student surrounded by three police officers.

Ever been at a club when a person snaps and goes ape shit? The kid was yelling pretty loudly and seemed pretty upset the cops wanted him out!

You consider yelling going ape shit? And no I have never seen someone at a club surrounded and handcuffed in police custody being tazered repeatedly.

The bystanders looked pretty pissed off, with good reason with thoes events. If you look at history, it doesnt take much for students to resort to voilence.

The cops threatened the tazer on the bystanders. You think thats not going to add fuel to the fire? Yeah threatening everyone around you will surely defuse the situation in the interest of everyones safety. How and when then are those students going to aquire those badge numbers. Yes they did have good reason to get pissed and you know who was inciting that anger and unrest in the students? The police by frying the kid.

Go live life as a cop for a while, then tell me what you think of the situation.

You need to go ask a lawyer who is well versed in police procedure what he thinks of that video. I know you two have great respect for cops and believe that they should be given a break. But if you truly respected them as much as it seems you do you would be outraged that cops like the pricks in this video are giving a bad name and making it harder for honest police everywhere. Yes I know a cops job is rough and I’m the first one to say that they don’t get paid enough to do what they do. But you know what that doesn’t excuse what those particular cops did. They are police officers with incredible power (in the states almost limitless). You think they deserve a break. No. Whether their job is hard is irrelevant what those cops did was wrong. It doesn’t work on a system of karma points.

Officer 1: “I saved 3 babies from a burning building today and helped an old lady cross the street.”

Partner: “That’s great! That means we can beat 3 minority suspects later.”

Do you realize how many breaks they get? Do you know how hard it can be to even file a complaint against an officer?

Hell apparently it’s perfectly fine to shoot someone in the back of the head while in custody in this country.

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=e5615916-2bea-4810-96ec-2e571435b79c

They are protected by a giant blue shield. They usually investigate themselves and information regarding incidents like this one is rarely made public. Here watch a video of a community watchdog group who only tries to just pick up a complaint form in several branches in southern florida. At one point a cop motions that he will pull his gun on them if they don’t leave.

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_033170755.html

This is an extreme case I know but intimidation and protection at all cost of corrupt officers is by no means unheard of in some form or another.

Do you expect these officers to beg and plead and use very kind, warm, soft and loving words to get this guy to do as he is being requested to do?

No I expect them to at least attempt to remove him without resorting to tazering 5 times which is what anyone should expect them to do.

You don't follow the rules, be prepared to face the consequences. It's that SIMPLE!!!!! ANd it does not take a university student to whip out a graphing calculator to figure this formula out either!

Sorry to break it to you Nazzy but no it’s not simple nothing is simple and nothing is black and white. The formula is not break law = break legs. Just because you don’t follow the rules doesn’t mean you automatically get your civil liberties stripped from you and 3 pricks have total freedom to fry you 5 times over. You both obviously have a lot of respect for the law and police. However as an educated member of society you should always be suspicious and question authority it’s the only way we can keep this kind of bullshit in check. In the states it was apathetic people like your self who just sat and watched as the military commissions act was passed.

Don't speak from emotion on this, and just because you see a whole group of angry university students against such line of work of officers does not mean you have to go with their feelings. Use your brain a little bit more and truly research this case inside out.

The fact that you have reduced an intelligent debate to calling me a “half idiot” shows that I’m not the only one getting a tad emotional.
No sorry the objection of the students had nothing to do with the conclusion I came to. I think for myself. However the footage on that video should stir some emotion in you. It blows me away that you are unable to identify a clear abuse of power and are not even aware of (or care about) your own rights.

[FMPjunkie]

Oh and it should be mentioned that after being tazered he was finally carried out by the officers.

[stephen_c]

many diverse opinion on /.
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/11/21/0438238.shtml

[djmarkpaul]

Very clear abuse of power here, I don't know how anyone can't see it.

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by FMPjunkie

we can clearly see that he has his hands behind his back restrained by some sort of hand prison. You say they had lots of choices but didn’t even attempt a less violent measure. The police are supposed to exhaust all options before considering a tazer........

Sorry to break it to you Nazzy but no it’s not simple nothing is simple and nothing is black and white. The formula is not break law = break legs. Just because you don’t follow the rules doesn’t mean you automatically get your civil liberties stripped from you and 3 pricks have total freedom to fry you 5 times over. You both obviously have a lot of respect for the law and police. However as an educated member of society you should always be suspicious and question authority it’s the only way we can keep this kind of bullshit in check. In the states it was apathetic people like your self who just sat and watched as the military commissions act was passed. ........

The fact that you have reduced an intelligent debate to calling me a “half idiot” shows that I’m not the only one getting a tad emotional.......

No sorry the objection of the students had nothing to do with the conclusion I came to. I think for myself. However the footage on that video should stir some emotion in you. It blows me away that you are unable to identify a clear abuse of power and are not even aware of (or care about) your own rights.....

So tell me, what were all there options? Really! How hard is it to stand up on your own when you have 3 people assisting you? That was all he had to do. Why did he refuse to listen? Why was the student, who trespassed in to the library, being ignorant?

Just because you don’t follow the rules doesn’t mean you automatically get your civil liberties stripped from you and 3 pricks have total freedom to fry you 5 times over. You both obviously have a lot of respect for the law and police.

I have respect for the law and the police. I am a law-abiding citizen. I have been good to the law, I have been helped by local authorities when I needed it, and I did not find it hard NOT to get into trouble. I pose a question: "If someone trespassed onto your "property" and refused to "stand up" and leave, what would you do?" In Canada, you are not allowed to shit-kick that person because it is against the human rights act. You can throw that person off your property. And if they hit you, well, that's too bad..you're the one left with welts around your eyes. That is what's fucked up about these damn laws. It does not work for you, it works against you (to an extent).

However as an educated member of society you should always be suspicious and question authority it’s the only way we can keep this kind of bullshit in check.

As an educated member of society I made an observation that the student was deliberately opposing every exercising opportunity the police provided to him to simply stand up. The longer it takes for the issue is get resolved, there is more of a distraction towards the students who have school work on their minds. Then again, it is not my problem if someone breaks the rules and pays for their actions; in what way? It all depends. An educated STUDENT society behaves and thinks differently. Police think differently too. Everyone's view is a little different. But ringing in the back of my head, I have this little song singing away "Bad boys bad boys, watcha gonna do? watcha gonna do when they come for you? bad boys bad boys...." I think the policing system is a little more tougher in the states than up here because how often do we see this happening in Canada? So far, most of these issues brought up here came from the south.

In the states it was apathetic people like your self who just sat and watched as the military commissions act was passed. ........

Canada and the U.S. are run by totally different government systems.

However the footage on that video should stir some emotion in you.

My emotion is different than yours. I think for myself, like you think for yourself. I have rights like everyone else...but I don't abuse my rights like others do. In the world of life, it is the survival of the smartest and fittest, mate~ :mexitoke:

Whatever, I am done with this. I have school work to worry about. This issue is a waste of time and won't do society any justice by us discussing this here. If you really want to take this seriously, voice your opinion in the local newspaper (preferrably in the states along with hundreds of others) and tell the whole world how you feel. WHat portion of this world will care? Especially if this bullshit comes from the states. Canada has it's own issues to deal with. I don't think what's good for the people in the states...I think what's good for Canada. Call me selfish, but so far our legal system is doing okay. The majority of the province, and Canada, are satisfied with the justice system. I am satisfied with OUR policing system. Have a good day :)

[Grapes]

I didnt say he deserved to be tasered. I said the cops did what they're trained to do.

They're trained to... taser people who don't deserve it?

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by Grapes

They're trained to... taser people who don't deserve it?

^define someone who does not deserve it and you will find a controversy in accordance with the human rights act.