Dec 10, 02
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poco murder
makes me sick.
this happend no joke about 3 city blocks from my house. people heard screaming, and no one called the police. the article 
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Dec 10, 02
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it couldve been my sister, i fear for her now that i know theres a killer not too far from my nieghbourhood.
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Dec 10, 02
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that town scares me
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Dec 10, 02
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coq/po coq is such a nice area.. id love to live there. just terrifying hearing all this stuff happening there. looks like a peaceful place...but i guess u should never judge it by looks. if sean was right i went to poco a few times last week.. and i was impressed with the side of poco i was in.... the xmas lights were so pretty and the city itself looked gorgeous. allie u be careful now!
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Dec 10, 02
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ya, it was just a couple minutes from my dwelling as well. I even got stopped at two roadblocks on praire and shaughnesy,and had to give my info on the way to work sunday morning around 5:45am.
Who knows what i would of encountered on my route to work had i also worked the saturday morning at that time B/scary town resident/F
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Dec 10, 02
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people not calling the cops is nothing new...it happens time and time again. Public reaction is always the same..."why didnt someone calll?" or "I would have called if i heard screaming?"
but ask yourself this...have you ever heard the neighbours fight and thought to call the police...or just thought it was better not to get involved? or any situation similar to that? the truth is most people will not do a thing....simply because they feel its not their place, and they shouldnt stick their nose in other peoples business....everytime the reaction is the same....like...what if you saw a car stalled at the side of the road with smoke pouring out of it? would you stop to see what was going on? or think...bcaa is probably on the way...or..i'm sure those people are fine. In the 60's a woman (her name escapes me at the moment-it was kitty something i think) was murdered in broad daylight amidst hundreds of people in new york city. People walking the streets, people living in apartments, or working in offices...hundreds of people witnessed this woman calling out for help and watched her be murdered. no one called the cops. now people look back on that incident and say "oh it could never happen now-people are more aware now and civilized" or any other reason. i'm not trying to like put anyone down here...but maybe someone will read this...and next time they see a situation where someone could be in trouble...they might call for help...or see whats going on....something to think about.
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Dec 10, 02
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thats horrible. I walked down the street which she would have walked down to get to work. It was dead quiet i only saw maybe 2 people. even after school there was noone. I was kinda scared
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Dec 10, 02
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When you guys said people heard her screaming, do you mean, yourselves as well? I'm sure if you heard a woman screaming you'd shrug it off as something on the television or just a normal arguement between couples that got too heated up in their conversation.
Unfortunately, this kinda thing happens often. It's quite naive to think that this thing couldn't happen to you or someone remotely close to you based on demographics.... "Oh it seemed like sucha quiet, nice, little neighbourhood. No, I don't think so.
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Dec 10, 02
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Demographics are a way to pin point out the specifics... I was talking more in general as to the fact that murders happen everywhere and anywhere, I mean if you took out the "cookie cutters" seperating one region from another, would chaos ensue as "Surrey" spreads across after the "restraits" have been taken out? I dunno if I make any sense here.... so to sum it up: Crimes can happen anywhere, although it is less apparent in some areas than others, doesn't mean it does not exist. A lot of times when crime happens, it's not neccessarily the residents of the area that commit it.
Murder rates are going down so they say, yet paranoia is increasing, with paranoia comes fear, and with fear comes the idea that we must destroy what we fear.... and in some cases, it is each other.
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Dec 10, 02
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^^
i believe your right on some points. but its been proven that criminals, in particular murderers usually live in the outlying areas of their crime over 90% of the time. surrey's influence to its outlying areas can be seen in the crime rates of new west for example, not to mention skytrain routes which have created criminal trends similar to those in the UK (the underground) and other cities with rapid transit infrastructures. your last point is bang on...crime has been steadly decreasing for the last 10 years or so...unfortunately public perception has is that every year crime rises and gets worse.....because thats what the media portrays to our television consuming masses.
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Dec 10, 02
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Well, yeah, obviously often times criminals like to flock where there's more crimes, it makes it easiar for them to blend in.... it only comes to a real shock if crimes exist in other regions... I mean if you heard about a murder in Surrey, you would shrug it off like, "That's Surrey for ya!"
The shock value of murder in a small town never ceases to amaze me, it's like murder in any other area, just unexpected I guess.. people shouldn't be so nurtured and lead to believe that where they live is safe. It'd be nice to be able to live thinking that we're safe from harm, I mean Canada compared to a lot of other areas, is pretty safe in general, but in no way are we protected from crime. (OBVIOUSLY)
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Dec 10, 02
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canada is right up there with something like switzerland for low crime rates, but whats really amazing is that per capita we are doing much better than the US, even though we are so close. your really making me start using my crim degree today :) hmm and i thought it was totally useless....oh wait it is.
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Dec 10, 02
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Well yes, it's almost like a conditioning they do to the kids. I mean if you stuck your hand in boiling hot water, your first initial reaction is to withdraw your hand from the pain, but if you stuck your hand in the pot before it started boiling and let it heat up slowly, your hand becomes more conditioned, as the temperature gradually rises.... am I making any sense here? A murder taking place in Poco would be like suddenly sticking your hand in hot water, you would jump at the aid to make it go away.... I mean, murders happen everday, and this one is pointed out just because it "hits close to home"... then again, I forgot, nothing matters unless we are remotely closely affected by it.
Perhaps it's not a good mentality to have where we hear 'murder' and shrug it off as just a part of life, as something that happens often... but IMO, people shouldn't act so shocked about it, I'm sure they are quite aware that murders happen. Oh well, refer to, news doesn't matter until you're affected by it.
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Dec 10, 02
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you make total sense on your first point. Desensitization to violence occurs everyday. People by nature only notice things that affect them directly...having a murder happen close to you shows you your own mortality, if only for a moment...much different than hearing about thousands of people killed somewhere overseas that you've never heard of.
i disagree on your 2nd point though...i dont think murder should ever become a fact, people should be shocked knowing that one person killed another....as a society we should be doing things to stop violent crime and not merely accept it....for example...calling the cops if you hear something suspicious...you wont be bothering them...thats what they're there for.
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Dec 10, 02
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Maybe it's nothing new to some people, but I have never heard of people not responding to screams. If anything, I have known people to be all too quick to call the police. I live in a condo where I have found police outside my building when I come home, and have them tell me someone called about a possibility of domestic violence, and I've let them in twice because they didn't know the buzzer number to get in.
But that is probably something completely different. My own parents have called the police whenever they have heard or seen something suspicious. When we have witnessed vehicle accidents, my dad has often been one of the first ones to pull over and offer help, or a cell phone. Given that he has worked with the police himself, it is probably second nature to him. But for other's, it is the whole thing of putting aside your own interests for the sake of helping someone else. So many people are a lot more concerned for their own safety, and prefer not to get involved for fear of being dragged into something. When I heard about this whole port coquitlam business, I was appalled. Perhaps the majority of people are not inately good at heart. Maybe the majority are self-involved, and too desensitized by all the violence and horror going on in the world, that when it happens in their own neighborhood, they hardly notice, and carry on with their selfish lives.
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Dec 10, 02
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I'm quite neutral about it, there are usually a lot of reasons for the murder, I mean if you look into the lives of every victim, they could of in some time helped "create" the offender... not all cases are like this, I know, some people do it just because, well, they enjoy the whole act of killing. It seems that everything people do is wrong, you care too much, WRONG, you dont' care enough, WRONG. You do well in school, good, you don't have any friends BAD. It's somewhat of an all or nothing basis for how we are told to view things, at least in my perspective. Restrictions mearly make people want to rebel more.
Referring to the cops bit, you must also remember that a lot of people, especially the younger generation, has this mentality and belief that we can't turn to the cops, that they won't do anything... You know what ones I'm talking about, "FuK dA Po! dEy DoN'T dO sHit FoR tHeIr JoBZ iN prOTectin' Us!" Which is quite sad, because a lot of cops get the shit end of the stick from the public for doing their job, and the few incidents where they aren't there when they should be seems to be blown into our faces... I mean, how often do you see, even on here where people post about how great cops are for just doing their jobs. In a way, they can maybe even be seen as everyone's 'parents'. And how do most kids act towards their parents? Rebelling against them. Oh god, I can't see the screen anymore... am I still making sense?
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Dec 10, 02
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lucy your experiences are the fortunate exception to the rule...there should be more people that show that kind of concern...its unfortunate that its not the case...humans as a race are selfish and self-motivated (my opinion)
most murders (statistically speaking) are either sexual or acts of rage...its very rare people are murdered for monetary gain. like bar fights account for the majority of physical altercations in north america...drunk men trying to prove whos got the bigger sack of balls. cops do get the shitend of the stick....but like everything there are good cops and bad cops....good cop lets you off with a warning if you roll through a stop sign by accident....or bad cop who infringed on my rights arresting me under false grounds :( its just like people....some cops suck. some dont. also it would be interesting to note that some cops are probably reading this too. it must be interesting for them to see intelligent discussion of this nature as opposed to say....."oh man, have you tried mitsubishis?? good shit dood!"
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Dec 10, 02
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i just thought i'd add another article
click me ... in regrads to people calling for the police .. in this area because of the river there are a lot of parties that happen down there all the time. at my house usually you cant hear it, but we have a few times. a few houses down from us we have had to call in the cops for domestic violence .. but we havent everytime. the fact is this areas probably isnt that great and 'safe'... if the screaming from breann was at 1.30-2am i could understand that no one would call because of all the parties that happen at the river, but being 5.30-6.30am i think someone should have called, it just seems fishy to me.
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the place where this happend, well accross from it in the houses, is the most lighted up area of the street, with xmas lights. poco is nice, during the day, once it's dark its scary. if im out walking and its dark im always on my cell with someone. when i was in school grade 1-8 out here, we got weekly newsletters which warned our parents about girls who were getting raped in side alley's no more then 2 blocks from the schools. people were constantly attacked in the forrest between the two schools (elemtry and high) .... poco isn't "that great of a place" ... only during the day when everyone is out. ... and yes bev i am careful.
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Dec 10, 02
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omg that is just so sad and scary...like if that was to happen out in delta it would have about the same impact...poco seems like such a peaceful place, just like here.....but realisticly nowhere is really peaceful...there are still sick fucks everywhere.....ahh..it makes me disgusted, sad, and scared!
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Dec 10, 02
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i dunno, poco and coquitlam really isn't a nice place, i fuckin hate this area. Last edited by SEAN!; Dec 10, 02 at 01:45 PM.
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Dec 10, 02
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move out to delta!! its a boring hole...but its fairly quiet...
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sean you say it well... this area is fucked up. people are always starting shit out here ... the thing about fights its everywhere .. people think its a mellow place, its not. this thing happens all the time. but when someone is murdered it just is way more shocking ... i remember for about 2 months we'd get the rcmp notices about hs girls getting raped on their way to and from school. it's fucken poco, it is supposed to be a nice area. so true: we seem to breed quite good serial killers out here in the tri-cities. kind of creepy never thought about it like that, olson and pickton - very scary. i dont think i'll live out here when i have kids, nope i dont think so.
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Dec 10, 02
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hahah if that dosn't work out, i might just have to keep it real and move back into coquitlam. hopefully it won't be as fucked up of a place 10-15 years from now.
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