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Dec 02, 07
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Growing Russian Threat
For those who aren't aware, the Russian Federation has been increasingly more aggressive to their neighbours, also very defiant to western pressures as of late.
brief run down of what's happened Late spring they deported all British officials and ambassadors in retaliation to the deportation of Russian KGB agents after I believe it was an attempt on exiled Russian Billionaire Boris Berezovsky's life(memory's groggy might have been a different matter) Early summer they dropped a missile in a farmer's field in the country Georgia, also have been deporting ethnic Georgians(numbered in the thousands) out of Russia. Now recently(couple days ago) The British Conservative leader gave a speech to an American think Tank about the urgent need to deploy troops to the Balkans to prepare for 'imminent war with the Russian Federation'. At the same time on the Russian front the Parliamentary election was today, I don't need to search to know Putin's United Russia swept to victory. Rumour has it Putin is set to step down appointing Viktor Zubhkov as acting President, which would make him eligible to run for president in the election in March. Putin's regime is increasingly becoming aggressive, and tyrannical. Putin has been giving speech after speech warning of Western aggression, inspiring national pride and re igniting hatred to America/western europe. I'm no expert on the subject but the thought still frightens me... Opinions? 
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Dec 02, 07
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US anger as Russia pulls out of arms treaty
By Stephen Fidler and James Blitz in London Published: December 1 2007 02:00 | Last updated: December 1 2007 02:00 President Vladimir Putin signed a law yesterday suspending Russia's participation in a key post-cold war arms treaty, triggering an angry reaction from the US, which declared the move a "mistake". In a significant new indication of the worsening diplomatic relationship between Moscow and Washington, Mr Putin personally ratified a law that means Moscow will suspend the Conventional Forces in Europe treaty (CFE) in a little under two weeks. Western military experts believe the CFE, first signed in 1990, is a significant treaty that limits the number of battle tanks, heavy artillery, combat aircraft and attack helicopters deployed and stored between the Atlantic and Russia's Ural mountains. It also contains a significant array of confidence-building measures, requiring all signatories to give other states advance notice of troop movements and missile launches. Senior officials from the US and other Nato states said Russia was now all but certain to suspend the treaty from December 12, a deadline it gave earlier this year unless an agreement could be forged with Nato -countries. "Russia has made a mistake in this unilateral behaviour of walking out of a major arms control treaty in Europe," said Nicholas Burns, the US under-secretary of state for political affairs. Senior officials from other Nato states said Washington and its allies now needed to decide when they would themselves suspend the treaty provisions. "From December 12, Russia will not be giving notification of its troop movements or allow external inspections," said a senior official from a Nato -government. "We will therefore see a gradual degradation in the application of the treaty. By March or April of next year we will have to decide whether we start to suspend the application of the treaty to our own forces." Russian and US negotiators met in Madrid on Thursday to discuss the CFE but no progress was made, US officials said. A senior US official said Russia had demanded that so-called "flank limits" limiting the movement of Russian troops should be lifted in advance, while those restricting Nato troop movements should be left in force. "That is so one-sided it really isn't workable," he said. Russia also demanded there should be a collective ceiling on Nato forces. But the US official said the purpose of the discussions had been to secure ratification of a previously negotiated adapted version of the CFE treaty - and the proposals relating to collective ceilings and flank limits would have required the adapted treaty to be renegotiated. Differences remained also on the stationing of Russian troops in Moldova and -Georgia. He said Mr Putin's move meant that prospects for the survival of the treaty had moved "close to vanishing point". Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007 Russia backs Iran/China, The US is facked. Won't be long until Cheneys muppets blow something up n blame Iran initiating the draft/ww3/armageddon/apocalypse.
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Dec 03, 07
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What's your point? Of course they are. The point of this thread is that the ramifications of a war with a country with the resources of Russia(or even iran...) would be catastrophic in comparison with any current conflicts.
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Dec 03, 07
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Dec 03, 07
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I'm not 'calm' about them. I don't know *how* you could possibly jump to that conclusion? You're point is incoherent and preposterous.
Explain to me how my point that a war with Russia, who's population is hovering around 150~ million and possesses the 2nd largest nuclear arsenal in the world, not to mention their large army and military capabilities... Explain to me how my statement that a war with Russia would be catastrophic, and current conflicts would pale in comparison to the ramifications of war with Russia. I did not state that the current conflicts are not an issue, nor did I endorse them in any way. Your logical jump is ludicrous. Please retract your statement.
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Dec 03, 07
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Its hardly a smoking gun...
I'm more worried about the largest military power in the world right now. Who has started attacking countries. I really don't see Russia starting ww3(planet wide destruction), altho they could take the american lead and start takin on small ones. Also i don't really blame a country being defiant to western pressure, we're just used to them being another american bitch for the last ten years. There will be disputes in the world, hopefully they can be dealt with diplomatically, Russia hasn't done anything (yet), where as the states has major presidential candidates demanding Iranian invasion ontop of a illegal war already. Thats not to say your wrong, they could potentially become dangerous, I'm just worried about the present danger.
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Dec 03, 07
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all posturing, the Russians are smart enough not to fuck with chuck. They know that any major move will be followed quickly by a retaliation of equal or greater severity. Russia wants back theire former glory not the destruction of 2 of the last 3 legitimate superpowers...
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Dec 03, 07
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^^ Exactly. Just posturing. Russia has built itself up as an energy superpower. Something like 52 % of state revenues comes from the energy industry. It uses this bartering position to play pipeline politics and any big confrontation would mess that up.
The whole concern is over Putin's centralizing of control. He threw out the oligarchs from the Yeltsin era of privatization and the NGO's as well. This is what makes Russia a point of criticism over here. Democratic principles are only mentioned if the state has some ideological/economic conflict with another such as with the US and Russia. That can quickly be thrown out the window if the US decides to support coups or turn a blind eye to an ally. The US has supported worse regimes in the past. Just look at the warm response from the US when Musharraf suspended the Pakistani constitution a month ago.
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Dec 10, 07
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whatever is there to fear from the russians?
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Dec 10, 07
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war
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Dec 10, 07
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like seriously
Jus ad bellum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Dec 10, 07
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lol i love robyn so much sometimes.
edit: in due fairness, those are natural laws/rights as opposed to political/societal laws. In other words, natural rights for what is "just" is different from codified law. However, I in saying so much, I just blew everyone's mind. Last edited by wishbone; Dec 10, 07 at 11:57 PM.
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Dec 11, 07
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