PETA References Bus Beheading in Ad

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by C_squared

Using celeberties to sell their propaganda is a good way to get the word out there. The warm sound of Alec Baldwins voice in their doc is highly inspiring lol.

yet another parallel with Scientology...

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Pussy*Kat

It was Big Brother Austrailia, she was the Celebrity House Guest.

ahh thats right thats what it was...

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by C_squared

I'm not surprised by this. Usualy the message from said ads refers to the killing of the innocent... Which animals are indeed innocent. PETA has some intense and radical ways to get their point accross... their marketing campaign tactics are borrowed from those of the meat and cigarrette industry. The roumour of saying that PETA may print an ad like this is brilliant. They just like to stir the pot and do it extremely well. Just like the McDonald's ads "Big mac's,,, they have people talking" PETA just eats that shit up (not litterally) and do the same right back. Its a war of words to create debate. Not that I agree with most of what PETA does... they've always been a bunch of punks.

Ingrid Newkirk (PETA CEO and co-founder) is definetely a cooky-crazy gal. When she dies she's going to have a BBQ with her on the menu just too see if people are like "wow that smells tantelizing" just to create more intense and radical debate which in the long run will just end up dividing and narrowing points of view as oppose to conjoining and broadening prespective.

Common misconception is that "There is no such thing as bad press". As far as marketing goes, just having your name out and people discuss how stupid you are or immoral you are doesn't help at all. It hurts big time.

[C_squared]

^ I couldn't agree with you more. The problem with PETAS approach is that for one they feel that they are the voice of the animals, because of course they can't do that themselves so they feel obligated to protect them. Which is why they come off as brash and offensive in what they are trying to get across. They personaly feel offended that humans would hurt the animals.

If PETA concentrated more on encouraging people to support local organic meats, fish whatever instead of consuming mass produced/abused and tortured meat if would have a better inpact on peoples way of thinking. But I guess that's more of a personal prespective. I also don't eat mamals for my own reasons stringent from PETAS prespective.

Originally Posted by ebbomega

I'd love to have a Newkirk Burger. It'd be like Stranger In A Strange Land.

An Newkirk burger would be pretty dry and highly stringy in texture don't you think?

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Common misconception is that "There is no such thing as bad press". As far as marketing goes, just having your name out and people discuss how stupid you are or immoral you are doesn't help at all. It hurts big time.

The misconception comes from the same reasoning that pump & dump schemes work, or that lowered mortgage standards will boost the housing market: you see immediate results that support that theory.

Take Bill-O. At first he catered to the Bible Belt fundamentalists. Then he realized that the more sensational he made his arguments, the more the leftwingers would start to watch his show (as a "see-what-he'll-do-next" curiosity would fill them). But sooner or later not only does the left-wing get sick and tired of him (and his ratings subsequently drop back), but in an effort to keep the shock-audience he then makes wilder and more ambitious claims, and then you start to see the Bible Belt fundies drop off because he's gone too far. Nowadays Bill-O doesn't have nearly the ratings he had even a year ago. Same thing happened with Limbaugh. Now whenever you hear about him, it's usually second-hand... nobody listens to his radio show except people who agree with him, but he's delved so far off the deep end that the only people left who agree with him are freaking lunatics! However, nobody with any clout really gives a damn about anything he says.

Short term, no news is bad news. But ultimately it'll be the death of you.

[thebobman]

Folks, fuck PETA.

Firstly, because what humans do to other humans is so much more cruel and horrific than what humans do to animals and we will have to move past mans cruelty to man before we can even look at mans cruelty to animals.

Secondly, because this ad is completely without basis. In no way shape or form is what happened to that poor bastard on that bus similar to the treatment of animals in the meat industry. It just isn't. PETA is using a gory, sensational story for no other purpose than shock value.

Don't try and justify their actions with the cause PETA champions. The cause PETA champions should be above this. That fact that PETA wasn't above exploiting this event should be awfully fucking telling about the values of that organization.

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by Revolver

human beings are animals.

it was a animal that slaughted that poor kid.

peta is in grotesquely poor taste on this.

I concur on all points.

[ebbomega]

Kinda reminds you of the GLAD campaigns where they show pictures of the holocaust and it's somehow supposed to convince you that abortion is bad.

[sNyx]

he don't care...

[GSG9]

i dont think that this is the worst thing the Partially Educated Teenage Activists have done anyways... its bad but not the worst. i would say comparing killing animals to the holocaust and to slavery of africans was the worst campaign they did.

[ebbomega]

Actually no, I think the worst thing they did was quietly sanction the attempted murder of those who work with animal testing.

"Thinkers may prepare revolutions, but bandits must carry them out."
- Newkirk
^ Shit like this is more detrimental to society than any other rhetoric they spew

[kir mokum]

hasn't peta killed people? i thought i heard that somewhere.

[ebbomega]

Well, not as an official body, but a lot of their card-carrying members have been implicated.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by fritz

i just needed to be the first person to use the word anthropomorphization in this thread

Yeah that was close, I was about to use it myself just as soon as I read it for the first time and I looked up what it meant.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by Revolver
human beings are animals.

it was a animal that slaughted that poor kid.

peta is in grotesquely poor taste on this.

I agree with all these things as well, but I don't think any of them directly refute their ad campaign or explain why it's in poor taste. After all, the whole point of the campaign is to "anthropomorphize" animals in a way that blurs the lines just as you're doing here.

PETA's biggest ethical blunder here, of course, is piggybacking on the publicity of this gruesomely engaging story in order to push their agenda. However, given that they've shown themselves time and time again to be shock-value junkies (as Los said), it hardly seems like anything other than their usual M.O.

As for their argument... they're trying to change something that's been going on for all of human existence.. I just think that for a lot of us, eating meat is too ingrained in our essence to make the drastic changes they propose (demand?). Until someone learns to shave cold cuts off of livestock without hurting them, we're just going to have to keep killing and eating them.

P.S. ----> I am not at all opposed to improving conditions that the animals live in before they're put on my plate.

P.P.S. ----> has anyone ever asked PETA why, if their main goal is to prevent the pain and suffering of animals, they don't travel to the African savannahs and find a way to keep cheetahs apart from wildebeests? Just a thought.

[Grapes]

Could you guys visualize me making quote signs with my fingers just now?

""""""" anthropomorphize """""""...

[crookedking]

Originally Posted by Grapes

Could you guys visualize me making quote signs with my fingers just now?

""""""" anthropomorphize """""""...

i just want to know how you say that in sign language.

[thebobman]

Originally Posted by crookedking

i just want to know how you say that in sign language.

I think you do the yellow-pages walking finger thingie, and then bunny-fingers

[kir mokum]

on matters of "animal rights", environmental organizations, the anthropomorphizing of other animals (which is almost inherent in us), ethical treatment of animals, etc, etc. i highly suggest this book:

[fritz]

guys do you ever feel like your enemies would make delicious cheeseburgers

or that giant drumstick that hallucinating people in movies see while walking through the desert

[GSG9]

Originally Posted by Grapes

Until someone learns to shave cold cuts off of livestock without hurting them, we're just going to have to keep killing and eating them.

nice. +1