Travis Barker, DJ AM critically injured in plane crash

[Pennywise]

AFP: Travis Barker, DJ AM critically injured in plane crash

[Lush]

I find it interesting that this seems to be headlining news everywhere, shouldn't the headline be something more along the lines of 4 people killed, two critically injured in plane crash?
I mean really does the fact that these guys make shitty music really make them that much more important than people who DIED in this plane crash?

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by Lush

I find it interesting that this seems to be headlining news everywhere, shouldn't the headline be something more along the lines of 4 people killed, two critically injured in plane crash?
I mean really does the fact that these guys make shitty music really make them that much more important than people who DIED in this plane crash?

Pretty awesome that you managed to slip your music critique into this.

Anyways.

Here are two headlines for you to consider:

1) Pedestrian killed after being struck by a bus

2) Brad Pitt killed after being struck by a bus

Same incident, same tragic loss of life, same effect on friends and family. But one is a blurb inside a paper's "Local News" section and one is news pretty much everywhere, minus a few corners of the earth.

What's news is news, what's tragedy is tragedy, they can overlap but they're not the same thing. Cope.

[Lush]

I'm studying communications so I'm fully aware of how news media is constructed, I still don't think it's right from a moral standpoint.

[Liqwid]

shadie

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by Lush

I'm studying communications so I'm fully aware of how news media is constructed, I still don't think it's right from a moral standpoint.

well media wants the most attention possible from what they publish. a celebrity getting critically injured gets a lot more attention than a couple unknown people dying unfortunately.

a whole lot of shit in this world isn't right from a moral standpoint, but there's no sense in worrying about it.

[Grapes]

Pretty sure the person writing the report would rather idealists were filled with impotent rage than lose his job for not doing it properly.

[mojo]

I thought they were the same person until I open the link.

[Courtney]

so is he gonna die or is he ok

[lildonkey]

He's fine... considering...

doctor says they are both expected to make full recoveries.. though they make have to stay in the hospital for 2-3 weeks...

travis got 2nd and 3rd degree burns to his lower body and legs
dj am got burns to his upper body and head

people said when they got to the plane crash they could see barker and AM ripping their clothes off cause they were still on fire.. fucked up

[decypher]

Originally Posted by Lush

I find it interesting that this seems to be headlining news everywhere, shouldn't the headline be something more along the lines of 4 people killed, two critically injured in plane crash?
I mean really does the fact that these guys make shitty music really make them that much more important than people who DIED in this plane crash?

I agree it's wrong but....
I think it's quite obvious that the headline has nothing to do with morality but rather the socioeconomic structure of the mainstream media system; starting from the telegraph wire service supplying facts and creating journalism to the penny press and advertising which transformed it. The fact is that mainstream media is for a mainstream audience so while there are nuggets of real discourse, there will always be celebrity/human tragedy/crime stories in news because it appeals to a dramatic interest. Whether this is right or wrong is a whole other discussion. I personally believe any sort of death story is not news worthy and only panders to our interest in death. Typical Global/local news type stuff. This consistent notion of fear, crime and the downfall of communities makes for great cinematics.

I do believe in the ethical and newsworthy role of the media in facilitating democratic communities. The fact is that these dramatic stories and celebrity gossip generate a lot of money therefore it is more important to convey the celebrities name rather then just saying two were injured in a crash. I think the important thing here is to view news as a culture where there is the good and the bad. There's the celebrity gossip and biased politics which are enslaved by the political economy of media but there's also the alternative media that works as a polemic to popular opinion and for the grassroots to create change.

To take any sort of determinism in these discussions is a slippery slope to supporting the status quo. The fact is that the media operates on many levels of societies for various functions to create a larger news culture. Certain advert orientated/economic driven stories do put a value on human life (which values some over others) but the reasons for such things calls for a larger and theoretical explanation rather than a question of morality. Morality here is important for a personal reflection. What type of news values do you want to associate yourself with and how can you make a positive effect whether you are consuming or generating the media. I think this is especially important in today's world of vast changes in the way people consume media. New roles are emerging.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by decypher

I personally believe any sort of death story is not news worthy and only panders to our interest in death. Typical Global/local news type stuff. This consistent notion of fear, crime and the downfall of communities makes for great cinematics.

Easy with the generalizations there, tiger. The Marriott in Pakistan is blown apart, killing dozens, and in your books it's not news?

[decypher]

ahh ok maybe any was too strong a word. The Marriot story is huge, so was Bhutto. I was referring to the type of trivial news/Cop shows type media. The kind where there's a sensationalism of common crime to fill air instead of real discussions of big issues.

[Grapes]

I agree "If it bleeds it leads" style journalism is pretty bogus. Although it's kind of funny if they try and pull it off here, because we don't have enough bleeding.

[Revolver]

could of been so easily been our generations buddy holly/ricky valence/ big bopper.

[Grapes]

^ Are you havin a laugh?

Is he having a laugh??

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Grapes

^ Are you havin a laugh?

Is he having a laugh??

[rawb]

LUSH MUST HAVE A REAL HARD TIME FITTING IN BEING MORALLY SUPERIOR BETWEEN ATTENDING EVERY FUNERAL LIKE EVER FOR ANYONE l

[mojo]

ahh ricky

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by Revolver

could of been so easily been our generations buddy holly/ricky valence/ big bopper.

are you fucking serious? It's been a long time since I've heard actual talent come out after the late 90's.

Gave up on rock and now listening to electronic 24/7

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by ppcock

are you fucking serious? It's been a long time since I've heard actual talent come out after the late 90's.

Gave up on rock and now listening to electronic 24/7

the late 90s? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

try early-mid 90s.

im talking more in terms of media coverage

[ppcock]

i was giving late 90's a chance.

early to mid..

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by rawb

LUSH MUST HAVE A REAL HARD TIME FITTING IN BEING MORALLY SUPERIOR BETWEEN ATTENDING EVERY FUNERAL LIKE EVER FOR ANYONE l

She saves time by traveling between funerals on her high horse.

I'm sorry, piling on a bit too much here, but that was too good a line to resist. :embarrest:

[GSG9]

Originally Posted by Lush

I mean really does the fact that these guys make shitty music really make them that much more important

whether you life the music travis makes or not (i personally dislike blink 182 and most of their music) but he is a phenomenal drummer and has incredible talent when compared to drummers from most other bands. gotta respect that. i think those other 2 doorknobs were holding him back.

that being said, i agree that the 4 deaths are more natoable, but for instance, on the fox today, they used travis and dj a as the headline but gave just as much of a story for the 4 deaths and who they were.

so jsut because travis and am were center of attention, doesnt mean the assistant, body gaurd, pilot, and co pilot didnt get recognition. but nobody follows the life and times of those 4 people so they are less notable.
making notes about what will be happening or has happened to 4 dead people nobody knows is inane.
making notes about what will happen to the only 2 survivors who happen to be the famous ones is not.

[Lush]

I'm not claiming that I'm morally superior in any way, if audience is the key factor in determining and shaping news media then I think we need to reevaluate what we're consuming. The fact that the focus is being diverted to these celebrities who got injured as opposed to killed in this particular incident is unfortunate.

I don't give a shit who the celebrities were it's the headline and the amount of media attention that these kinds of stories draw that is upsetting.
Also, this "cope" or "don't worry about" attitude that you guys are trying to advocate is really kind of pathetic. If you don't care that's fine, but don't tell other people not to care because our generation is more or less going to run the show in the next few decades.

I guess I just keep forgetting that passivity is hip