Poll: 2008 Canadian Federal Election

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Alex

neo conservatism- 'such as free market, limited welfare, and traditional cultural values. Their key distinction is on international affairs: they prefer a proactive approach internationally that would protect the national interests.'

I don't see the coservatives jumping to privatize health care or any of our crown corporations, and welfare is far too easy to aquire. If you're jobless or homeless in Canada and don't fall in to one of these categories A. Born with a serious disability B. A refugee who is here illegally and can;t find cash work you are a complete and utter loser not worthy of any hand outs. We have a serious worker shortage, we are importing international workers as fast as we can process the app's. Very few should be able to qualify for welfare. Take for instance the maritimes, work for 4 months, collect EI for the other 8. What a joke.

Um, a Canadian Conservative is not the same as an American Conservative which is not the same as a Russian Conservative. Political ideologies are guidelines and the parties in place adapt to the values of a nation. If the values of our nation enrage you so much on a daily basis, why don't you go somewhere else? You're a sales guy, you could make it big anywhere!!!!

I get that you don't like welfare and don't really care about anyone other than yourself as you make this point all the fucking time on here..but really, if you could BACK UP your claim that there is no conservatives in Canada with actual legitimate points and not another stream of consciousness about how you hate the environment/welfare/poor people/anyone who doesn't work in the sales industry that would be great.

[inside]

Originally Posted by Senior

based on the fact you have nothing to back up your opinion I'm going to assume you are just looking for a reaction.

I have stoppped following politics. As far as I know compared to the rest of them, Harper seems to be the most hard nosed. I like that. I think his fake smile is pretty funny, and the softing up his image with a sweater ads were lol. I like tough leaders.

I just got the ad from the consertive mp in my riding that got elected last year... not my style at all.

I wish Larry Campbell was up for being Prime Minister. That guy would get it done!

[miss.myra]

^ Larry Campbell and your bff Stephen Harper don't see eye to eye :(

[GSG9]

Originally Posted by Courtney

-what about if you were sexually and physically abused as a child and turned to drugs as a way to eliminate the pain, and then got addicted...because addiction is in your genes and you were predisposed to it at birth?

i have a friend named natural selection. he selects those fit for life. he doesnt think people with addictive personality in the genes and a bad case of stupidity should be able to reproduce. he doesnt like this idea of easy welfare for those who make poor life choices.

Originally Posted by Courtney

- what if you don't have a social insurance number

go get one? unless they fuck you around alot, you dont really need to sit arund on welfare for months at a time before you decide to wait an hour in line to get a sin.

[inside]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

^ Larry Campbell and your bff Stephen Harper don't see eye to eye :(

and that's great! I see more eye to eye with Campbell anyways. Harper just seems to be better then the rest. I think Harper is bigger then the party he is in.

[inside]

Originally Posted by GSG9

i have a friend named natural selection. he selects those fit for life. he doesnt think people with addictive personality in the genes and a bad case of stupidity should be able to reproduce. he doesnt like this idea of easy welfare for those who make poor life choices.

you have don't have a clue about addiction. Listen up. I know what I've seen and heard. I know what I have experienced.

[miss.myra]

are you in this picture

[ebbomega]

Welfare is what I consider to be a necessary evil. I agree with a lot of conservative-minded people that it's a handout and that the people who work hard for their money shouldn't have to bail out those that are less responsible. However, a true measure of a society is in how it treats its lower-class individuals. And it's got a real trickle-up effect.

People don't realize it but quality of living goes up when EVERYBODY is helped up, not just the rich. Expanding the rift between the rich and the poor just makes more headaches and problems than anybody.

So I guess I'd consider myself left wing. But that's not to say I disagree with right-wing arguments, just that I find that they're counterproductive.

[Courtney]

Originally Posted by GSG9

i have a friend named natural selection. he selects those fit for life. he doesnt think people with addictive personality in the genes and a bad case of stupidity should be able to reproduce. he doesnt like this idea of easy welfare for those who make poor life choices.




go get one? unless they fuck you around alot, you dont really need to sit arund on welfare for months at a time before you decide to wait an hour in line to get a sin.

why do you think aboriginals make up 80% of the homelessness in the east side? Is it purely because of stupidity and poor life choices? Absolutely not. Why are they at such high risk of alcoholism, because of stupidity? I think not.
In regards to a social insurance number, ok that might be easy to obtain but I don't know it might not be your main concern if you were currently living on the streets
and by the way, you can't get welfare to get you back on your feet if you don't have an address..and its not exactly easy to get an address if your struggling for survival each day let alone a place to live

[ebbomega]

^ To answer your rhetorical question, because we're faced with an entire generation of first nations that were taken out of their homes and sent to assimilation factories (oh sorry... "residential schools") where many were beaten for speaking their own language and a fair number were sexually abused.

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by GSG9

i have a friend named natural selection. he selects those fit for life. he doesnt think people with addictive personality in the genes and a bad case of stupidity should be able to reproduce. he doesnt like this idea of easy welfare for those who make poor life choices.

you don't have a clue about what natural selection or darwinism actually means. It chills me to the bone that there are people like this in our world.

[Courtney]

^yep, let me guess though gsg9 "the past is the past"
I'm so tired of hearing that argument, the past DOES matter. The past is so relevant in understanding the present and being so ignorant as to assume that they should just "get over it and move on" . Every action causes another and so the cycle continues.

[ebbomega]

Yeah, just to throw that whole idea out the window, I come from a long line of addictive personalities. As far as I know, all my ancestors were able to reproduce, so I dunno wtf he's talking about.

[inside]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

are you in this picture

you love me don't you?

[GSG9]

Originally Posted by inside

you have don't have a clue about addiction.

unfortunately i know too much about it, as i work for an addiction center, and addiction is rampant in my family.

[Courtney]

^ wow thats scary that someone like you is working in a "helping" industry yet has the most ridiculous views on it......wow im sure you work very objectively

[ebbomega]

People that work in addiction therapy aren't exactly the most objective people in general. Most of them are recovering addicts themselves.

[Courtney]

^ well I am getting a degree in social work and the first thing you learn is that even though full objectivity is impossible, you really need to try to look at things in the most objective way possible

[Alex]

Courtney, reading what you type hurts my head. You are an idiot.

If you can't make it, tough luck. I personally believe the farther socialist we go, the more watered down our gene pool will be. Socialism gives the lowest common denominator's in our race the ability to pro create, weakening our species as a whole. This sickens me.

I believe pro creation in a society like we have, shouldn't be a right, but a privilege. When the lowest common denominator's pro create, they pass their problems and issues on to their children. As a species able to feel sympathy, our hearts bleed for our own kind, and we feel compelled to help the children(as it isn't their fault). By only allowing those deemed successful and psychologically fit to pro create, it would benefit society in many ways

1. Over population
2. Poverty
3. Massive cuts allowed in social programs

I'll finish my thoughts later my dinner is ready

[Courtney]

If being an idiot means having compassion and hope then by all means i'm an idiot

[Courtney]

Oh my god your theory is almost as bad as the one baby BOY rule
rather than your dicriminatory view why not think of these options as a way to solve or at least reduce what you pointed out....

over population- same opportunity and access for all of society to education
poverty- even distribution of necessary resources to all plus education
massive cuts in social programs- the amount of people in need of these programs exceeds the amount existent.....if there was an adequate amount -improvement would follow

alex, let me guess your either a degree in economics or business law

[rawb]

Originally Posted by Alex

If you can't make it, tough luck. I personally believe the farther socialist we go, the more watered down our gene pool will be. Socialism gives the lowest common denominator's in our race the ability to pro create, weakening our species as a whole. This sickens me.

I believe pro creation in a society like we have, shouldn't be a right, but a privilege. When the lowest common denominator's pro create, they pass their problems and issues on to their children. As a species able to feel sympathy, our hearts bleed for our own kind, and we feel compelled to help the children(as it isn't their fault). By only allowing those deemed successful and psychologically fit to pro create, it would benefit society in many ways

1. Over population
2. Poverty
3. Massive cuts allowed in social programs

10/10 TROLL POST WOULD READ AGAIN

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Alex

Courtney, reading what you type hurts my head. You are an idiot.

If you can't make it, tough luck. I personally believe the farther socialist we go, the more watered down our gene pool will be. Socialism gives the lowest common denominator's in our race the ability to pro create, weakening our species as a whole. This sickens me.

I believe pro creation in a society like we have, shouldn't be a right, but a privilege. When the lowest common denominator's pro create, they pass their problems and issues on to their children. As a species able to feel sympathy, our hearts bleed for our own kind, and we feel compelled to help the children(as it isn't their fault). By only allowing those deemed successful and psychologically fit to pro create, it would benefit society in many ways

1. Over population
2. Poverty
3. Massive cuts allowed in social programs

I'll finish my thoughts later my dinner is ready

SUP HOMEBOY!

[inside]

Originally Posted by GSG9

unfortunately i know too much about it, as i work for an addiction center, and addiction is rampant in my family.

as long as they beat thier addictions, they are alright?;)

Originally Posted by Alex

Courtney, reading what you type hurts my head. You are an idiot.

If you can't make it, tough luck. I personally believe the farther socialist we go, the more watered down our gene pool will be. Socialism gives the lowest common denominator's in our race the ability to pro create, weakening our species as a whole. This sickens me.

I believe pro creation in a society like we have, shouldn't be a right, but a privilege. When the lowest common denominator's pro create, they pass their problems and issues on to their children. As a species able to feel sympathy, our hearts bleed for our own kind, and we feel compelled to help the children(as it isn't their fault). By only allowing those deemed successful and psychologically fit to pro create, it would benefit society in many ways

1. Over population
2. Poverty
3. Massive cuts allowed in social programs

I'll finish my thoughts later my dinner is ready

Alex I understand your view and cant argue that people should earn what they work for. But I also see you focusing on the issue of C before looking at how A and B effect C. It is also a statistic fact that lower birth rates are effected by countries that educate their women.

A) Provide appropriate health care and welfare:
- children are born healthy
- chilren grow up in stable homes and environments
= mentally/physically healthy children

B) Provide appropriate education
- the better the education, the better the students
- more students will graduate
- lower tuition means youth from lower income families have the chance to be educated and earn more in their generation
- better programs/education for those with special needs & medical issues will help them be more successful, because they make up a large majority of the homeless you see today on the street.

***We now have a generation of well educated and mentally/physically healthy young adults in our world
What are the chances they are going to have more than 2.5 kids? What are the chances they will get addicted to drugs? What are the chances they will start steeling? What are the chances they will raise kids who will be "hopeless". So now where left with your focused problem welfare...

C) Provide welfare? To who now?

Its a whole chain effect and and investment! By helping the youth today will only make the adults of tomorrow more successful.

I dont think ppl are presenting a socialist government, I think they're wanting to stop Harper from continuing to cut back and make things worse than they already are.