Apr 29, 04
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everone666 - face it. you're living a lie. ;)
charlie brown - Yeah. I know. the idiot here is everone666, and they put everyone down as far as I'm concerned. :O Just because they suck. *shakes head* And yes, Naruto kicks ass! XD *dance* 
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Apr 29, 04
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i think its pretty
people diss me all the time , it makes me want to be better its called CONSTRUCTIVE CURTISISM(shitt i cant spell) anime is played but it is pretty. and charlie brown , dont call my hommie simple minded.\ i think art is a vent if it makes u feel good to do it then ur doing the right thing.
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Apr 29, 04
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I know ashlee i am living a lie. Hello miska. ya.
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Apr 29, 04
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i dont think everone is a idiot though. ive seen some of his stuff that hes posted and quite honestly i dont think a retard could pull off the same stuff he did. i know im gonna get fuckloads of bad karma for saying this but anyone with a decent amount of artistic talent could draw anime. but for graff, you need lots of artistic talent, lots of hand-eye coordination and a really good sense of style.
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Apr 29, 04
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You know whats up.
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Apr 29, 04
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I think it's stupid to say that one style is more difficult than the other. No one has ever limited "anime art" to a pencil and paper.. Would you have more respect if she'd sprayed it on a wall?
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Apr 30, 04
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no disrespect... but you know nothing about graffti, so dont not try and act like you know whats up.....art is just one part of it, there is alot more to it than you think....I do it because of many reasons.....FAME, RESPECT, THE ADRENILINE RUSH, KNOWING THAT THOUSANDS OF AVERAGE PEOPLE SEE MY WORK EVERY DAY, BUT MOST OF ALL BECAUSE IT IS MY LIFE. When you say you see alot of "crappy graff" dont you think any artist started of will little knowledge or skill of art? No one picks up a pencil for there first time and can draw like picasso, show respect to people who want to learn and want to give to the community.
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Apr 30, 04
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Referring to my other posts, I just have a problem with artistic arrogance. I dislike it when people underestimate the effort that went into someone ELSE's work. How do you judge without knowing someone what they have potential for, and where do you find yourself such confidence to say that what you do requires much more skill and effort than what someone else has done, (axion) if you havne't experienced someone else's struggle? This is what I meant to say in response to others' comments. Quote:
I admitted that I knew nothing of graffiti "culture", if there is any at all and I never implied that I knew anything.. However, I find it odd that you're generalizing everyone else's experience of graffiti into the same category as yours.. I may not know YOUR personal experiences, but I don't doubt that you don't know individual experiences of many others within that "culture" nor mine own experiences.. so i see it pointless that you try to seperate worlds as "yours" and "mine" when you know NOTHING of me, nor do you qualify as the spokesperson for all graffiti artists. Just for clarification, when I spoke of "graffiti" I was referring to the dictionary definition of graffiti, which is all I know. "A drawing or inscription made on a wall or other surface, usually so as to be seen by the public."-dictionary.com any other definition of graffiti as a culture or experience, whatnot... is all subjective. Your experience is not necessarily the same as anyone else s and I don't need to know anything about "graffiti" or how to use spraypaint in order to determine that. Various "aritists" have their own personal reasons for doing what they do and that FACT is not exclusive to "graffiti". Quote:
"We all start off our childhood art by copying. This is how we learn about style and technique. We've all been imitators at one point in our life and only from learning the basics can we develop a style of our own. I respect anyone who has the patience to learn all the basics that are required in reaching what they perceive as their full potential... I look down on plagiarism or using someone else's piece without credit, but isn't the idea of looking at someone's drawing and deeming it "unoriginal" an unoriginal concept in itself?.. You're accepting what YOU see in mainstream art/media and being a passive observer by categorizing what is cliche and not cliche. In my opinion, that level of simple analysis is passive unoriginal, and narrow-minded." I think we're on the same page don't you think? I'm not saying that everyone starts off as a picasso, and as shown above, I'm stating that everyone starts off learning. Heck, we learn throughout the course of our lives. With regards to my reference of "crappy" graff, I was countering the argument that graffiti involves "lots of artistic talent, lots of hand-eye coordination and a really good sense of style." as stated by axion because it seemed to me that he was implying some kind of superiority of graff art in comparison with any other form (particularly anime)
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ok i totally agree with you in that no one starts off talented, however when a graff artists decides to do his first sketches on my fence (i live in the most suburban place you could think of - port moody) i get offended. i love graff, im extremely jealous of all who can do it, and do it well. and currently im tryin to learn how to paint with a can myself, but i dont use public property to practice on. ive been using boards and shit, because nobody wants to see my shitty first attempts. when i get good, i'll start venturing out. i consider myself an artist, and i have done alot of practicing, but i have nver done my practicing on public places like say peoples houses. i drew in my sketchbooks, i painted on boards. i could have easly grabbed a tin of paint and practiced with m brushes on someones fence, but i didnt. you have to admit, its a damper to the genre when you see shitty graff. i wanna see more graff, in appropriate places (like not on my house) and i wanna see it done good. when i walk into a gallery, i expect to see great art. when i walk around downtown, cant i expect the same from graff artists?
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May 01, 04
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Oops, axion. I meant to give you bad karma but I accidently left "approve" checked. Just wanted to let you know.
Anyways, a lot of you seem pretty full of yourselves, and full if "Graff" shit. I hope you know, anime is not my limit. I can create Graffiti, and I'm not talking about simply writing fancy letters onto a wall. I can create realism, collages, photography, you name it. I have no fucking limit. If I want to learn something new, that's right, I LEARN it. In my opinion Graffiti is at a lower wavelength than anime. You don't need a talent to write letters fancy, and blend in colours to create effects. I have seen it all the time. Within anime, style changes all the time, lines can be formed differently, it can be coloured differently with ANYTHING. Graffiti is just on a wall. Yeah, I'm 15, and I already know more shit than all of you. Why don't YOU try something for a change, Graffiti is EVERYWHERE. And don't you underestimate Yoko, I've seen her stuff, and it's very original. One of you said, "anyone with a decent amount of artistic talent could draw anime." THAT MAKES ME LAUGH SO HARD. XD OMG! It goes the other way around, SORRY. Anime requires being able to structure bodies, faces, expressions, poses, detail, hair, colouring with shading/lighting, and 80% of the time, anime hair is more realistic than any other hair, other than realism. Anime is the next second hardest thing, next to realism. With Graffity, all you need is a few spray cans, and an ability to make words look fun and shiney. Which, I have. I wrote all over my agenda with it on people's birthdate's. What fun. And by the way, I'm not a guy. Shows how smart you are. And I'm not trying to be Asian, I'm half. If I were trying I'd type wrong. Very wrong. Like all of you are. :) Thank you~
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May 02, 04
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By the way, i would suggest not taking stuff people say on this board so seriously. I never put down your work at all, in fact i said it was "decent". The only thing i said that came close to insulting you or your work was that i found anime to be boring, but thats just my personal opinion on it. Im sure theres plenty of people who find graffiti to be boring... but whatever, to each his own right? One more thing, the only reason i said that graffiti requires alot more artistic talent, hand eye coordination and style was that with graffiti you only have a limited amount of time to get to the spot, do your piece and leave. With 95% of other mediums you have an unlimited amount of time to sit down, relax, think about your piece and perfect it. With graff your mind is far from relaxed... and im sure theres plenty of people who can back me up on the fact that it's not exactly easy to create a piece of art when your mind is in a state like that. Quote:
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May 02, 04
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the beauty of all art: ITS SUBJECTIVE
some people will like things that other people will not, and as artists, we gotta accept this, its hard, im having a tough time dealing with it. but not everyone is going to fall in love with everything you do. they might even insult it.
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May 04, 04
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lol this thread is funny. I think the art is well done. The only problem i have with that picture is where is the lady standing? it looks like shes right against the cliff and the edges are cut off in black... I would keep the edges that way it gives it more realism. Just a thought.
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